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“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
https://www.globalresearch.ca/mercur...ccines/5571134Big Pharma is among the nation’s largest political donors, giving $31 million last year to national political candidates. It spends more on political lobbying than any other industry, $3.0 billion from 1998 to 2014—double the amount spent by oil and gas and four times as much as defense and aerospace lobbyists. By February, state legislators in 36 states were pushing through over one hundred new laws to end philosophical and religious vaccine exemptions. Many of those state lawmakers are also on the industry payroll. You can see how much money bill sponsors from your state took from Big Pharma on http://www.maplight.org
Normally plaintiffs’ tort lawyers would provide a powerful check and balance to keep vaccines safe and effective and regulators and policymakers honest. But Pharma’s dirty money has bought the industry immunity from lawsuits for vaccine injury no matter how dangerous the product. An obliging Congress disposed of the Seventh Amendment right to jury trial, making it impossible for vaccine-injured plaintiffs to sue pharmaceutical companies for selling unsafe vaccines. That’s right! No Class Actions. No discovery. No depositions and little financial incentive for the industry to make vaccines safer.
Vaccine industry money has neutralized virtually all of the checks and balances that once stood between a rapacious pharmaceutical industry and our children. With the re- search, regulatory, and policymaking agencies captured, the courts closed to the public, the lawyers disarmed, the politicians on retainer and the media subverted, there is no one left to stand between a greedy industry and vulnerable children, except parents. Now Big Pharma’s game plan is to remove parental informed consent rights from that equation and force vaccine hesitant parents to inject their children with potentially risky vaccines that the Supreme Court has called “unavoidably unsafe.”
Ending exemptions is premature until we have a functioning regulatory agency and a transparent process. The best way to insure full vaccine coverage is for the vaccine program to win back public trust by ending its corrupt financial ties with a profit-making industry.
Last edited by donnay; 10-16-2017 at 12:48 PM.
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
So once medicine is socialized, it will be ok for the government to mandate it.Ending exemptions is premature until we have a functioning regulatory agency and a transparent process. The best way to insure full vaccine coverage is for the vaccine program to win back public trust by ending its corrupt financial ties with a profit-making industry.
More anti-capitalist stuff from DonnaY.
Last edited by angelatc; 10-16-2017 at 02:10 PM.
Could you at least get rid of the caps?
https://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVa...fety/UCM096228
Yeah right.You neglected to read the above paragraph-- I will post it again:
Vaccine industry money has neutralized virtually all of the checks and balances that once stood between a rapacious pharmaceutical industry and our children. With the re- search, regulatory, and policymaking agencies captured, the courts closed to the public, the lawyers disarmed, the politicians on retainer and the media subverted, there is no one left to stand between a greedy industry and vulnerable children, except parents. Now Big Pharma’s game plan is to remove parental informed consent rights from that equation and force vaccine hesitant parents to inject their children with potentially risky vaccines that the Supreme Court has called “unavoidably unsafe.”
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
Tried but it wouldn't work.
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
Pffft. That isn't proof.
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
Let's see your proof. How much thimerisol is in vaccines intended for children (the flu vaccine does come in versions with and without thimerisol and is not considered a "kids vaccine") used in the United States? Show us a list of which ones have how much.
Last edited by Zippyjuan; 10-16-2017 at 05:23 PM.
https://thepeopleschemist.com/what-is-thimerosal/Truth About Thimerosal in Vaccines
Thimerosal is a mercury-containing organic compound (i.e., a preservative). It serves as an antiseptic and antifungal agent in select vaccines, especially the flu vaccine in the US. But is thimerosal safe for humans to inject into their bodies? As a father of four and chemist, I wondered about this over 15 years ago when we had our first child…
What the FDA says about Thimerosal
The Centers of Disease Control (CDC) and the FDA insists that thimerosal is safe when used in doses found in vaccines. (1) Taking a pragmatic approach over a scientific one, the status quo insists, “The active form of mercury [thimerosal] in vaccines is different than that found in contaminated fish,” and “only in trace amounts.”
True. But both forms of mercury are toxic. (2)
These government agencies also parrot The American Academy of Pediatrics who chirp, “The continued benefits of thimerosal use in vaccine manufacturing clearly outweigh any perceived risks.” (3)
But, you can’t make informed decisions about thimerosal based on these ridiculous statements. Parents who do are in for a wake-up call. A lifetime of unimaginable pain, suffering, isolation, and madness are lurking nearby for those who choose to play roulette with the silvery sludge.
What’s Being Hidden about Thimerosal
The last entity to fund a thimerosal study in the United States was Eli Lilly, back in 1929. They’re not even a health agency; they’re a pharmaceutical drug company. That hardly offers proof of safety and efficacy. And, their test churned out horrific results, showing that 100% of the kids jabbed with trace amounts of Merthiolate — the trade name for thimerosal — died from meningitis. How could that possibly be considered safe? Meanwhile, the Pharma-funded authors (using ghostwriting) still concluded that there was no causal association between mercury in vaccines and harm. (4) Future court documents revealed, “Upon closer inspection, however, it is apparent that Lilly Scientists, deliberately withheld facts and, in doing so manipulated and distorted their conclusions, leading to corruption of published scientific literature concerning thimerosal.”
In time, the devastating effects could no longer be ignored. On January 5, 1982, the FDA published its notice of proposed rule-making regarding thimerosal. Their scientific panel’s opinions and recommendations were the culmination of five years of research concerning the potential hazards and safety of thimerosal. (5) Published in the Federal Register, the panel concluded:
“At the cellular level, thimerosal has been found to be more toxic for human epithelial cells in vitro than mercuric chloride, mercuric nitrate, and merbromim (mercurochrome).”
“Exhibit 34 (Exhibit ELI-512). The FDA specifically found that thimerosal was significantly more toxic for living tissue than it was for the bacteria it was supposed to kill.”
“It was found to be 35.3 times more toxic for embryonic chick heart tissue than for staphylococcus aureus [top killer in hospitals today].”
“The Panel concludes that thimerosal is not safe for [over-the-counter] topical use because of its potential for cell damage if applied to broken skin and its allergy potential.”
The FDA’s findings clearly should have settled the matter — that thimerosal is not safe for humans, let alone children, to use.
How Much Thimerosal Are Kids Getting?
In 2001 the pharmaceutical industry promised removal of thimerosal from vaccines. Sadly, it’s still lurking in select shots. The irony of promising to remove a “safe” preservative is proof that thimerosal is risky. If you need more, a little math goes a long way.
The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)’s acceptable dose for mercury is 0.1 microgram per kilogram of body weight, per day. Running simple conversions, this means a 10-pound baby who gets jabbed with a thimerosal-rich vaccine receives an insurmountable 55 times the safe upper limit for mercury exposure. For an adult giving the same injection, that’d be four times the safe supper limit!
Pleading for thimerosal removal, Congressman Dan Burton wrote to the Secretary of Health and Human Services to make his case. He insisted, “During a review required by the Food and Drug Modernization Act, it was learned that infants receive more mercury [from thimerosal] in the first six months of life than is considered safe according to federal guidelines. For a twelve-to-fourteen month old child receiving vaccines on the Universal Childhood Immunization Schedule as they are typically delivered (four to six shots in one doctor visit), they may receive forty or more times the amount of mercury than is considered safe according to Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) guidelines. The EPA guidelines were confirmed to be accurate through an independent evaluation conducted by the National Research Council (NRC).”
If you read the vaccine package inserts, the danger of thimerosal becomes even more apparent. The DPT (diphtheria, pertussis, and tetanus) vaccine maker Sanofi Pasteur warned, “A review by the Institute of Medicine (IOM) found evidence for a causal relation between tetanus toxoid and both brachial neuritis and Guillain-Barré syndrome [pain and loss of nerve and motor function].”
Makers of the Tripedia vaccine for DTaP (which is rich in thimerosal) stated, “The vaccine is formulated without preservatives, but contains a trace amount of thimerosal [(mercury derivative), (≤0.3 µg mercury/dose)] from the manufacturing process.”
Certain negative outcomes are so frequent that the manufacturer had to list them in a public warning:
• Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS)
• Anaphylactic reaction
• Cellulitis (a bacterial skin infection)
• Autism
• Convulsion/Seizures
• Brain dysfunction
• Low muscle tone and strength
• Nerve damage
• Hyperventilation/apnea
In his extremely well-researched book Thimerosal: Let The Science Speak: The Evidence Supporting the Immediate Removal of Mercury—a Known Neurotoxin—from Vaccines, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. showed there’s more global scientific muscle power than what it took to build the space station proving that thimerosal is ruining the health of our nation. And yet, with unconstrained malice and well-calculated schemes, Pharma continues to profit by selling cheaper, mercury-rich vaccines in 40 other countries. Once the country’s citizens are riddled with shots, research shows that continents like Africa, as well as citizens living by the Amazon river, are forever scarred from neurological damage.
References
1. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Thimerosal in Vaccines. October 27, 2015. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/thimerosal/
2. Kathleen Stratton, Alicia Gable, and Marie C. McCormick, Editors, Immunization Safety Review Committee, Board on Health Promotion and Disease Prevention. Immunization Safety Review: Thimerosal – Containing Vaccines and Neurodevelopmental Disorders. ISBN: 0-309-56573-1, 136 pages, 6 x 9, (2001)
3. AAP (American Academy of Pediatrics). 1999. Thimerosal in vaccines—An interim report to clinicians. American Academy of Pediatrics. Committee on Infectious Diseases and Committee on Environmental Health. Pediatrics 104(3 Pt 1):570–574.
4. Madison, James H. (1989). Eli Lilly: A Life, 1885–1977. Indianapolis: Indiana Historical Society. p. 65. ISBN 0-87195-047-2.
Powell HM, Jamieson WA. Merthiolate as a Germicide. American Journal of Hygiene 1931;13:296-310.
5. FDA Federal Register. PLAINTIFFS’ RESPONSE TO ELI LILLY AND COMPANY’S SUPPLEMENTAL MOTION FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT.
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
Does not say which if any vaccines for children in the US have thimerisol in them. Try again.
Or was this the only one? If this is your proof, it supports what I said.
(Tripedia was discontinued in 2013). https://vaxopedia.org/2016/10/26/discontinued-vaccines/Makers of the Tripedia vaccine for DTaP stated, “The vaccine is formulated without preservatives, but contains a trace amount of thimerosal [(mercury derivative), (≤0.3 µg mercury/dose)] from the manufacturing process.”
Through mergers, Sanofi Pasteur, Ltd. ended up with two DTaP vaccines. They had their own Daptacel, but also had Tripedia, a vaccine they acquired from Pasteur Merieux. They ended up discontinuing Tripedia.
Last edited by Zippyjuan; 10-17-2017 at 01:29 AM.
Yes they discontinued that vaccine, but how long did they continue to distribute the vaccine until supplies were depleted? How many children received it and how many were harmed by it? We will probably never know because they have help covering it up.
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
I see. You could not find kids vaccines used in the US with thimerisol in them. Thanks for looking.
So how much is a "trace"? A few molecules. That is not going to harm anybody or anything.
Since thimerisol is 50% mercury, that means less than one microgram in the entire vaccine. A vaccine which does use thimerisol usually has 25 micrograms (which is still a very small amount).a trace amount of thimerosal [(mercury derivative), (≤0.3 µg mercury/dose)] from the manufacturing process.”
Last edited by Zippyjuan; 10-17-2017 at 02:10 PM.
Here is a good start to research: https://worldmercuryproject.org/thim...rch-critiques/
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
Go try a nice tasty bowl of Botulinum Toxin Type H. Only 1 ng (nanogram) will kill you. That volume is smaller than ONE red blood cell. Its also the deadliest known substance...
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Zippy again agreeing with the point that trace amounts of mercury are found in vaccines for children. His tired old argument is always the same: small amounts do not harm. A position that of course cannot be proven scientifically. And just because the FDA says vaccines are available for kids without thimerosal proves nothing, other than the fact that some kids are obviously still getting vaccines with thimerosal.
There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.
(1 John 4:18)
One vaccine had trace amounts (less than one microgram in the entire vaccine- a few molecules). That is practically non-existent.
Last edited by Zippyjuan; 10-18-2017 at 12:25 PM.
So organic mercury is more toxic than botulinum toxin H? What is the fatal (or even harmful) exposure level for ethyl mercury?
Last edited by Zippyjuan; 10-18-2017 at 01:38 PM.
You seem to forget this point that has been brought up to you over and over and over and over and over again. 0-5 Forty-nine doses!
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
Forty nine doses of DTaP vaccine?
Of vaccines, DTaP included. And you knew that because it has been brought to your attention over and over and over and over again.
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
And how much thimerisol is in those other 49 vaccines? You still have not shown any which do. 49 times zero is still zero. (accepting your claim that kids get 49 vaccines- I haven't double checked that). Your links since I asked have only found one which had a few molecules left in it from the process of making it.
Breast milk on the other hand does have mercury and toxins in it. Maybe you should be campaigning to get rid of it. https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...reast-feeding/
Are kids getting mercury poisoning from their mothers? Ban the breast!
Last edited by Zippyjuan; 10-18-2017 at 01:19 PM.
Which goes through the baby's digestive system where the toxins can be filtered out through kidneys, liver, etc. This has been brought up many times here.
Where else in nature are toxins injected directly into the muscle, bypassing the body's natural immune system? Even the diseases the vaccines are supposedly protecting enter the body through normal means where the body has a change to fight them and filter them out, such as breathing, ingesting, etc.
So for example, if a child contracts chicken pox naturally, through contact with the disease, the body's own immune system will compensate and that person will not get chicken pox again.
Not so with the vaccine. Those vaccinated could still get it, and the vaccine could wear off requiring a booster shot. Not to mention the side effects from the toxins.
Zippy is just a broken record playing the same old song over and over again....
There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.
(1 John 4:18)
The mercury in some flu vaccines (ethyl mercury) has a half life in the body of about seven days (meaning the body has gotten rid of it in about a week). It does not bioaccumulate. That has been brought up many times here. Methyl mercury (the kind in breast milk) has a half life of a month meaning it can accumulate more. The kid is drinking that breast milk every day. They are not getting vaccines (which don't have that ethyl mercury in it anymore) every day. Breasts are more toxic.Which goes through the baby's digestive system where the toxins can be filtered out through kidneys, liver, etc. This has been brought up many times here.
Methyl mercury targets and kills neurons in specific areas of the nervous system including the: Visual cortex, Cerebellum and Dorsal root ganglia.
(...)
Methylmercury is especially dangerous to developing babies. This form of mercury is highly toxic and can cross the placenta and the blood-brain barrier. Mercury is concentrated in the brain of the developing fetus because the metal is absorbed quickly and is not excreted efficiently. Children exposed to mercury may be born with symptoms resembling cerebral palsy, spasticity and other movement abnormalities, convulsions, visual problems and abnormal reflexes. The brains of children who have died as a result of mercury poisoning show neuron loss in the cerebellum and throughout the cerebral cortex. Mercury also appears to affect brain development by preventing neurons from finding their appropriate place in the brain.
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
Methyl mercury is not the same as ethyl mercury which is in a couple of vaccines. Is there a link between mercury in vaccines and autism? If so, why didn't autism rates drop when mercury was removed from kid's vaccines? If there is a link, it should have dropped significantly. (yeah, this has been said probably hundreds of times here).
Yes, I am well aware of that just pointing out how a child is bombard with mercury from womb to tomb. The pressures on pregnant mother's to get the flu vaccine is beyond belief.
Excerpts from the article I posted on the first page:
You can read more: http://traceamounts.com/ten-lies-tol...y-in-vaccines/Thimerosal is a poison, neurotoxin, cancer-causer, and can interrupt the immune system and the normal development of an unborn baby or a child. Thimerosal is so toxic that putting it on your skin is illegal. However, the government not only allows but also defends its injection into the population, especially pregnant women and newborn children, as part of influenza vaccines currently recommended by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
(...)
After “realizing” the amount of mercury in the childhood vaccination schedule recommended by the CDC exceeded all national and global maximum safety limits, the American Academy of Pediatrics and the United States Public Health Service called for the immediate removal of Thimerosal from all vaccines on July 7, 1999.
By 2003, the vaccine manufacturers had begun to react to the 1999 call by lowering the mercury content in many of the Thimerosal-preserved early childhood vaccines. However, in April of 2002, the CDC began recommending that pregnant women and very young children get annual Thimerosal-preserved flu shots. The result was a ‘shell game’ which has caused widespread confusion in the public because of press reports declaring, “Since (select a year between 1999 and the present), mercury has been removed from all recommended vaccines for children except for some flu shots.”
Astoundingly, the total level of mercury exposure, if a child receives all the possible CDC-recommended vaccinations that are still Thimerosal preserved, from 6 months to 18 years of age, has actually increased. Significantly, if you put the amount of mercury added to the immunization schedule as a result of the CDC-recommended seasonal and (in 2009) H1N1 flu shots** on one side of a scale, and the amount of mercury that was subtracted from that schedule by reformulating early childhood vaccines without Thimerosal on the other side, the total amount of mercury added far outweighs the amount of mercury subtracted. In addition, today most tetanus shots and the multi-dose Sanofi Menomune® vaccine that are approved by the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) still contain 25-micrograms-a-dose mercury.
Currently, the actions taken by the vaccine manufacturers, the FDA and the CDC have increased the possible maximum childhood exposure to mercury from vaccines to twice the level that triggered the 1999 call to remove mercury from all vaccines as soon as possible! Also, new vaccine formulations with 25 micrograms of mercury per 0.5-mL dose are still being approved by the FDA for administration to pregnant women and children.
**Most doses of these flu vaccines are Thimerosal-preserved.
(...)
Thimerosal has never undergone even one modern safety test. It was developed in 1927 and patented by Eli Lilly in 1928. It was first tested on small animals and killed a variety of mice, rabbits and chicks. After the animals died from exposure to Thimerosal, the decision was made to administer it to 22 patients suffering from bacterial meningitis during an epidemic in Indianapolis, Indiana in 1929.
Of the 22 persons given Thimerosal, all died, most within a day or two of administration. The doctor overseeing the trial, on stipend from Eli Lilly, declared that the patients had all died of meningitis and that Thimerosal was not observed to have caused any problem when administered to his patients. With that declaration, and a subsequent one by Eli Lilly staff that Thimerosal has a low order of toxicity for man, even though it killed small animals, Thimerosal was introduced into the drug supply. Yet, despite warnings in the published scientific literature that Thimerosal was toxic, and despite opposition to its use in every decade since, Thimerosal has remained in the drug supply.
The first protest on record against this highly toxic mercury compound was made in 1935 by the Pittman Moore Company which declared that, after testing, it found Thimerosal “was unsuitable as a preservative in serum intended for use in dogs…”
The FDA, passive with regard to safety testing, has never provided the results of appropriate toxicological tests on Thimerosal. Factually, the vaccine makers who use Thimerosal as a preservative are required by law to conduct and submit the results of such safety tests to the FDA before the FDA can legally approve a vaccine. Yet, the FDA has yet to produce even one of these vaccine maker’s toxicity studies, demonstrating Thimerosal safe for administration to humans, despite the fact that these documents have been sought in a court of law.
Last edited by donnay; 10-18-2017 at 04:51 PM. Reason: typo
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
The statistics for thimerisol exposure are from prior to thimerisol being removed from childhood vaccines. Thimerisol in vaccines is not harming kids because it isn't there. (yes, some formulations of the flu vaccine do still use it- but thimerisol free versions are also available). You are afraid of a ghost.
Last edited by Zippyjuan; 10-18-2017 at 05:04 PM.
You obviously have trouble reading. You know it could be a vaccine injury.
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
Another discontinued vaccine.and the multi-dose Sanofi Menomune® vaccine
Flu vaccines are not considered kids vaccines though they can be given to kids and are available in formulations with and without thimerisol. A few molecules may remain in the tetanus vaccine- not 25 micrograms- and Menomune is discontinued.In addition, today most tetanus shots and the multi-dose Sanofi Menomune® vaccine that are approved by the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) still contain 25-micrograms-a-dose mercury.
How much mercury is left? Might check out this list from 2001: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK223726/
Last edited by Zippyjuan; 10-18-2017 at 06:05 PM.
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