The Official BREXIT Thread

[osan]

Referring in general to slow economic growth worldwide. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ala...ope-2016-06-24 Growth is slow due several issues including slow increases in technology (meaning slower increases in productivity) and slower population growth.

Greenspan spazzes out in a fit of hand-waving. To wit:

”This is just the tip of the iceberg,” Greenspan said in an interview on CNBC. “The global economy is in real serious trouble.”

Meaning what, exactly? Big, froofy talk designed to frighten children and adults who have chosen to remain as children. The sentence is pure, unsupported bull-dinky. Trouble for WHOM? Define "trouble". This is amateurish innuendo at its lamest, the sad part being that some "adults" will swallow that bait.

What other turds are there... Ah yes, this little gem:

Behind the slowdown in income is the sharp drop in worker productivity, according to Greenspan.

More talk with little to no substance. Firstly, against what standard is he measuring productivity? Compared with a worker of even just 20 years ago, the current crop are far and away more productive due to technological advances. Greenspan is spinning lies and deceit.

How does a drop in income relate to the purported drop in productivity? Not stated, relegating the statement to the status of bull-dinky.

ETA: I neglected to point out earlier that the bottom line of Greenspan's statement here is that incomes are effectively shrinking because workers are not producing. This is a great, steaming pile of bull$#@!. Nay, it is an outright and bald-faced lie. Greenspan is a pusillanimous liar whose opinions should be ignored in toto, the man shunned into ignominy.

Here he blames the loss in purchasing power in terms of net income on the lackluster performance of the worker. This fails on so many levels I barely know where to start. Suffice to say that when a worker egregiously fails to produce, bosses do not attenuate income rates or salaries, but rather separate the worker from his employment at that firm. That is rightly how the world works. If it worked the way Greenspan insinuates in the quoted statement, businesses and the economy of all the world would have failed decades ago. The man has zero credibility either for knowledge, personal integrity, or both. My money says it is the latter.

/ETA

Governments have to cut entitlements to reflect this weakness, he said.

Weakness in what? How about socialistic models of governance? I'd call this statement an unintended and slightly oblique admission that the "system" we have been globally instituting is a failure by its very design.

For pity's sake Juan - if you are going to cite an article in support of a point, at least cite one that is not so sadly inept as is this one. It is utterly vaporous bull$#@!.

[osan]

Saving yourself is not racist.

Tell that to Themme.

[scrosnoe]

It was originally posted on the FB group "POLANDBALL" with no credit given to the maker. You're probably cool to share.

cool -- thanks!

[RonPaulGeorge&Ringo]

Greenspan today: "This is the worst period that I can recall".

Someone set up a GoFundMe so we can buy this poor man some tampons.

[susano]

Tell that to Themme.

Who's that?

[William R]

Why Britain voted to exit


http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2...ever-they-are/

[Philhelm]

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/04...u-well-follow/

Frexit, Swexit, Nethelexit, Italexit,..... They are lining up!

Frexit, Swexit, Nethelexit, Italexit, Fuxit!

[Anti Federalist]

Who's that?

Themme...Theye...The Powers that Be.

The cultural Marxists who have poisoned a whole generation across the globe into thinking that the future lies in becoming one polyglot, amorphous, moiling, mob of humanity, all consuming our way to government approved happiness on an endless debt wheel supplied by Themme, and under the careful and watchful eyes of the global surveillance state.

[Champ]

Enjoying the crying from just about every political figure, political commentator, and celebrity. All the enemies of liberty and free trade are weeping while the defenders are dancing. Love it.

[tod evans]

From Drudge;


'MOVE JUNGLE TO UK' Calais mayor sparks furious row after demanding that squalid migrant camp be moved to Britain

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/134022...res-no-chance/

THE mayor of Calais says migrants living in the Jungle camp and others in France should be moved to Britain so Brits “take the consequences” of Brexit.

Natacha Bouchart wants a revision of the border deal between France and the UK, which at the moment sees border checks carried out in Calais to stop those trying to get to Britain illegally.

Migrant camps are becoming a political issue in France again after Britain voted to leave the EU


Calais mayor Natacha Bouchart is pushing for Britain to take back its border
Speaking on French TV station BFM, she said: “The British must take the consequences of their choice.

“We are in a strong position to push, to press this request for a review and we are asking the president [Francois Hollande] to bring his weight [to the issue].”

“It is we who accept the hot potato.”

[luctor-et-emergo]

From Drudge;


'MOVE JUNGLE TO UK' Calais mayor sparks furious row after demanding that squalid migrant camp be moved to Britain

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/134022...res-no-chance/

THE mayor of Calais says migrants living in the Jungle camp and others in France should be moved to Britain so Brits “take the consequences” of Brexit.

Natacha Bouchart wants a revision of the border deal between France and the UK, which at the moment sees border checks carried out in Calais to stop those trying to get to Britain illegally.

Migrant camps are becoming a political issue in France again after Britain voted to leave the EU


Calais mayor Natacha Bouchart is pushing for Britain to take back its border
Speaking on French TV station BFM, she said: “The British must take the consequences of their choice.

“We are in a strong position to push, to press this request for a review and we are asking the president [Francois Hollande] to bring his weight [to the issue].”

“It is we who accept the hot potato.”

lol ? That mayor obviously lots his/her brain somewhere.
Those people are illegally in France. If they go to Britain from France, they will be sent back.
That is how you control a border. You send back unwelcome people.
Not the most intelligent fellow this mayor. I do feel some resentment. He/she should just shut up and see what happens, what if this thing works out for the UK ? Then what ? What if, the future may be a lot brighter with a whole different Europe, without an EU, with cooperation and trade but without the loss of sovereignty. Would this mayor and other EU-philes admit they were wrong ? Or is their only interest forming a socialist superstate - my former forum location - the EUSSR ?

p.s. I didn't bother to look at the gender of said mayor. Don't care frankly. She is an idiot.

[goldenequity]

From Drudge;


'MOVE JUNGLE TO UK' Calais mayor sparks furious row after demanding that squalid migrant camp be moved to Britain

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/134022...res-no-chance/

THE mayor of Calais says migrants living in the Jungle camp and others in France should be moved to Britain so Brits “take the consequences” of Brexit.

Natacha Bouchart wants a revision of the border deal between France and the UK, which at the moment sees border checks carried out in Calais to stop those trying to get to Britain illegally.

Migrant camps are becoming a political issue in France again after Britain voted to leave the EU


Calais mayor Natacha Bouchart is pushing for Britain to take back its border
Speaking on French TV station BFM, she said: “The British must take the consequences of their choice.

“We are in a strong position to push, to press this request for a review and we are asking the president [Francois Hollande] to bring his weight [to the issue].”

“It is we who accept the hot potato.”

Simple. Flood the Chunnel... moats have worked for centuries.
(nothing drastic.... just a bigass pump till the Frogs figure things out.)

[heavenlyboy34]

Themme...Theye...The Powers that Be.

The cultural Marxists who have poisoned a whole generation across the globe into thinking that the future lies in becoming one polyglot, amorphous, moiling, mob of humanity, all consuming our way to government approved happiness on an endless debt wheel supplied by Themme, and under the careful and watchful eyes of the global surveillance state.

It's my understanding the EU is more about facilitating trade (albeit the hard way) and such. The Britons and EU folks quoted in various stories I've read/listened to recently say they don't want a "United States Of Europe". This is, of course, not a scientific sample, but it's my current understanding.

[susano]

lol ? That mayor obviously lots his/her brain somewhere.
Those people are illegally in France. If they go to Britain from France, they will be sent back.
That is how you control a border. You send back unwelcome people.
Not the most intelligent fellow this mayor. I do feel some resentment. He/she should just shut up and see what happens, what if this thing works out for the UK ? Then what ? What if, the future may be a lot brighter with a whole different Europe, without an EU, with cooperation and trade but without the loss of sovereignty. Would this mayor and other EU-philes admit they were wrong ? Or is their only interest forming a socialist superstate - my former forum location - the EUSSR ?

p.s. I didn't bother to look at the gender of said mayor. Don't care frankly. She is an idiot.

She's one of the no borders crowd and she's ridiculed the people of Calais who have been crime victims because of these migrants (most of whom are Africans).

[susano]

It's my understanding the EU is more about facilitating trade (albeit the hard way) and such. The Britons and EU folks quoted in various stories I've read/listened to recently say they don't want a "United States Of Europe". This is, of course, not a scientific sample, but it's my current understanding.

It's about far more than that. I believe it's a template for global government rule by unelected elites (who write all EU laws, btw). This will fill you in on what the EU is:

[susano]

lol ? That mayor obviously lots his/her brain somewhere.
Those people are illegally in France. If they go to Britain from France, they will be sent back.
That is how you control a border. You send back unwelcome people.
Not the most intelligent fellow this mayor. I do feel some resentment. He/she should just shut up and see what happens, what if this thing works out for the UK ? Then what ? What if, the future may be a lot brighter with a whole different Europe, without an EU, with cooperation and trade but without the loss of sovereignty. Would this mayor and other EU-philes admit they were wrong ? Or is their only interest forming a socialist superstate - my former forum location - the EUSSR ?

p.s. I didn't bother to look at the gender of said mayor. Don't care frankly. She is an idiot.

A woman who lives in Calais tells of the nightmare:

[nobody's_hero]

It's my understanding the EU is more about facilitating trade (albeit the hard way) and such. The Britons and EU folks quoted in various stories I've read/listened to recently say they don't want a "United States Of Europe". This is, of course, not a scientific sample, but it's my current understanding.

I believe the EU may have started out as an economic union but rapidly progressed into a political one. Politics follows money. Money follows politics. It was not completely surprising that it would have come to this.

So you have people in former soviet bloc nations in eastern Europe and more capitalist Britons (still quite socialist by our standards) trying to govern each other. The EU project was destined to make someone unhappy eventually.

It is better that Britain got out sooner than later. It was only a matter of time before there were more people able to vote themselves money at Britain's expense than there would have been British people able to vote to prevent it. It was a transfer of wealth from west to east.

Democracy in action.

"When the people find that they can vote themselves money, it will herald the end of the republic Britain." - Ben Franklin

[heavenlyboy34]

cool -- thanks!

y/w! btw, I made a typo-it was in the minarchyball group: https://www.facebook.com/Minarchybal...type=3&theater Sorry for the error!

[osan]

Who's that?

Those who wield the real power, of course.

[osan]

Enjoying the crying from just about every political figure, political commentator, and celebrity. All the enemies of liberty and free trade are weeping while the defenders are dancing. Love it.

Which leads me to wonder whether Theye actually wanted this outcome... or perhaps at the very least make the best of it.

This could actually work out to Theire advantage. UK splits and suddenly gets the living daylights beaten out of it, especially economically. There are so many possibilities here, I could never list them all. How about an outbreak of some really $#@!ty disease... Typhus? Typhoid? No help from EU because you are no longer of the body. No trade at all w/EU and so on and so forth. All very innocent "happenstance" resulting from the withdrawal. Five years later, they are begging to be let back in. Sure, with conditions. The rest of EU members stand by, staring wide-mouthed, twitching and being glad it's not them. EU solidarity reaches a new high and all the whining about taxation and sovereignty, such as ever it may have been there, die away into ghastly silence.

Just a thought.

[nobody's_hero]

Which leads me to wonder whether Theye actually wanted this outcome... or perhaps at the very least make the best of it.

This could actually work out to Theire advantage. UK splits and suddenly gets the living daylights beaten out of it, especially economically. There are so many possibilities here, I could never list them all. How about an outbreak of some really $#@!ty disease... Typhus? Typhoid? No help from EU because you are no longer of the body. No trade at all w/EU and so on and so forth. All very innocent "happenstance" resulting from the withdrawal. Five years later, they are begging to be let back in. Sure, with conditions. The rest of EU members stand by, staring wide-mouthed, twitching and being glad it's not them. EU solidarity reaches a new high and all the whining about taxation and sovereignty, such as ever it may have been there, die away into ghastly silence.

Just a thought.

Britain alone won't be able to make it. Sure they could ramp up trade efforts with the USA, but we're too busy buying cheap **** from China to be interested in anything Britain has to export. Maybe the British commonwealth can try to fill the gap for the time being.

Gonna have to wait and see if the Euroskeptic movement spreads to Netherlands, Denmark, France, Ireland, etc. I'm hopeful that it will, and that trade will only be briefly interrupted and slightly more difficult between those nations in the short-term. I'm thinking the Dutch will be next to hold a referendum.

But I agree completely with your suspicions. Anyone who thinks that the EU elite will not try their damnedest to make Britain suffer for this has no idea how globalism works.

[P3ter_Griffin]

Which leads me to wonder whether Theye actually wanted this outcome... or perhaps at the very least make the best of it.

This could actually work out to Theire advantage. UK splits and suddenly gets the living daylights beaten out of it, especially economically. There are so many possibilities here, I could never list them all. How about an outbreak of some really $#@!ty disease... Typhus? Typhoid? No help from EU because you are no longer of the body. No trade at all w/EU and so on and so forth. All very innocent "happenstance" resulting from the withdrawal. Five years later, they are begging to be let back in. Sure, with conditions. The rest of EU members stand by, staring wide-mouthed, twitching and being glad it's not them. EU solidarity reaches a new high and all the whining about taxation and sovereignty, such as ever it may have been there, die away into ghastly silence.

Just a thought.

The British politicians would have to conspire with the EU for this to happen. A lack of investment by those wishing to harm Britain would be creating opportunity for the people around the world who don't care if Britain remains part of the EU, which I think is a majority of people. And erecting barriers in scientific collaboration such as vaccines would lead to finding 'new' collaborators, such as the 'Eastern Bloc', along with any fellow 'exiters'.

[osan]

Britain alone won't be able to make it.

And yet, there is no real reason why they could not... in principle.

They would, however, be compelled to rid themselves of the Muslims. Slaughtering them would probably be the only way and that's not such fun.

Sure they could ramp up trade efforts with the USA, but we're too busy buying cheap **** from China to be interested in anything Britain has to export. Maybe the British commonwealth can try to fill the gap for the time being.

I can think of nothing they have to offer that I would want, save perhaps Rolls Royce turbofans, which are superbly built.

Gonna have to wait and see if the Euroskeptic movement spreads to Netherlands, Denmark, France, Ireland, etc. I'm hopeful that it will, and that trade will only be briefly interrupted and slightly more difficult between those nations in the short-term. I'm thinking the Dutch will be next to hold a referendum.

This is the one possible wild-card element. It would be something to see this thing snowball in a way Theye never anticipated. However, were that to happen, Europe would likely find itself in the midst of another world war type of affair.

Consider this possibility: Theye have anticipated this outcome (Theye are not, after all, stupid) and have planted the Muslims with the idea that if the EU fractures, thereby greatly threatening globalist designs, they will be set loose on the native populations, rendering the continent to ash for a third time in a century. At that point I could see the Russians being called in to clean up the mess, all Europe then falling under the neo-Soviet umbrella, beholden to Themme.

By hook or by crook Theye will have what they want. The only way this will not happen is if the people of this world rise and stop them with non-equivocating material action. Theye have the unbending will to it and will not stop, save that they are stopped. This particular foe is in its very DNA utterly implacable, save to give them every inch of that which they demand.

[tod evans]

And yet, there is no real reason why they could not... in principle.

They would, however, be compelled to rid themselves of the Muslims. Slaughtering them would probably be the only way and that's not such fun.



I can think of nothing they have to offer that I would want, save perhaps Rolls Royce turbofans, which are superbly built.



This is the one possible wild-card element. It would be something to see this thing snowball in a way Theye never anticipated. However, were that to happen, Europe would likely find itself in the midst of another world war type of affair.

Consider this possibility: Theye have anticipated this outcome (Theye are not, after all, stupid) and have planted the Muslims with the idea that if the EU fractures, thereby greatly threatening globalist designs, they will be set loose on the native populations, rendering the continent to ash for a third time in a century. At that point I could see the Russians being called in to clean up the mess, all Europe then falling under the neo-Soviet umbrella, beholden to Themme.

By hook or by crook Theye will have what they want. The only way this will not happen is if the people of this world rise and stop them with non-equivocating material action. Theye have the unbending will to it and will not stop, save that they are stopped. This particular foe is in its very DNA utterly implacable, save to give them every inch of that which they demand.

[osan]

Meh... not interesting.

OK, but I've driven better.

OK, now this is over the line. Twinnings Earl Grey is some of the most flavorless swill on the planet. Doesn't even qualify as tea.

If you want a good Earl Grey, try Capital Tea's French Lavender Earl Grey. capitalteas.com

There are others but this is a good place to start.

Really Tod... I'm surprised.

[susano]

Nigel Farage Frozen out of Brexit negotiations

The Ukip leader was expected to be central to negotiations in both his role as an MEP and as a prominent Brexit campaigner.

But the official Vote Leave campaign headed by Boris Johnson and Michael Gove was quick to distance itself from Mr Farage.

A senior Vote Leave source said: "Nigel Farage's involvement has come to an end."

Mr Farage responded: “I just don’t understand these people – they will never give me credit for anything.

"I have tried for nearly a year to work with these people and fight on a common agenda and they don’t want to know.”

Ukip MEP Mike Hookem said the party's 24 representatives in Brussels, including leader Nigel Farage, should be central to the negotiations.

He said: "It would be lunacy for Nigel Farage not to be involved in our renegotiation.

"Throughout this campaign, despite vicious attacks from all sides including some stupid 'blue-on-blue' attacks from Vote Leave administrators, he showed that he was the man in touch with the majority of voters.

"And he is the elected politician with the most experience and knowledge of Brussels and of the Brussels process, having sat on the European Parliament's Conference of Presidents since 2004."

He added: "Yes we have achieved our Brexit aims of an independent United Kingdom, but the mandate we were given as MEPs by the voters is to stay there until the day we leave to ensure the best interests of the country.

"That means staying on committees to vote on legislation that will affect the UK whilst we are still members and most importantly, taking a significant role in the renegotiation process which would not be taking place if it wasn't for Ukip and Nigel Farage."

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/683...-EU-referendum

Disgusting. Nigel is the man and he deserves the credit as well as a prominent position in negotiating a swift exit.

[Wilf]

Disgusting. Nigel is the man and he deserves the credit as well as a prominent position in negotiating a swift exit.

You never thought that Brexit vote might lead to more immigration for Britain or whatever is left for little England.

[susano]

You never thought that Brexit vote might lead to more immigration for Britain or whatever is left for little England.

Not sure what you mean.

[Wilf]

Not sure what you mean.

this:

The UK currently has a system that discriminates against immigrants based on where they were born, a factor exogenous to the immigrant.The points system proposed by the Leave campaign also discriminates, but it does so on the basis of a factor endogenous to the immigrant, their skills. Again, I’m a libertarian, and this system of discrimination based on skills is sub-optimal. But so, also, is the current system of discrimination based on where you happen to be born.
I also agree with Sam that the notion that immigration should be something that ought to be "controlled" is wrong, but, again, we also have that now. And indeed, as we are often told, a points-based system can lead to higher immigration than the UK has at present.

also this:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...tern-europeans

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics...adical-decline

or this:

Vote Leave campaigner Boris Johnson has said he is pro-immigration and supports an amnesty for illegal immigrants who have been in the UK for more than 12 years.
"I am in favour of an amnesty for illegal immigrants who have been here for more than 12 years unable to contribute to this economy, unable to pay taxes, unable to take proper part in society."

[susano]

this:



also this:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...tern-europeans

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics...adical-decline

or this:

Well, Boris' idea of amnesty for those who live on benefits doesn't sound too smart but Farage's point system sounds entirely logical in that it's controlling who comes in and bringing in people who have something to offer or that's needed. While I've followed this I don't think I've ever heard any of the leave people suggest ending immigration. I highly doubt it will increase beyond current levels, though. From what I've read, the UK has a big housing shortage and doesn't even have enough primary schools (which have waiting lists to get in).