This is exactly what the powers that be want...

[Anti Federalist]

It applies to what's going on in the country as a whole. I was watching Bloomberg today and they had a Republichump congressman on and a former DemocRAT congressman on. Both agreed with the "red flag" law but disagreed on the assault weapons ban. The deal has been cut already in the backroom and the general atmosphere of fear that the Orange man has stoked is helping to grease the wheels. You're worried about a permanent blue majority. I get it. That can be stopped. I see it in my own community that libertarian ideas are spreading, even among black people who would NOT have considered Ron Paul 8 years ago. But the atmosphere of fear is greatly hindering that progress.

Well, that's good news...I have not stopped preaching to anybody who will listen the ideas of liberty and limited government.

[Anti Globalist]

Well, that's good news...I have not stopped preaching to anybody who will listen the ideas of liberty and limited government.

Same here. I'll just let people drown in their own stupidity. No longer will I waste my time trying to save people that are too far gone.

[Swordsmyth]

Trump says we need to be afraid of white nationalists with guns and we need a "red flag" law. I guess Trump must be right. I was wrong to support the 2nd amendment. Will you please forgive me? /sarcasm

You can't have it both ways. Either the fearmongering is justified or it isn't.

How stupid do you think we are?

Some things should be feared and others should not, some "solutions" are wrong and others are not.

Stop drinking the Soma.

[Swordsmyth]

Divide & Conquer. Divide & Rule. Control the Media. Control the Money. Control the Military. Control the World.

This is how they win. They MUST keep us divided to accomplish the rest.

The Founders were wise men. “Join or Die” was not just a marketing campaign, it was the truth. If good men and women hide, keep their mouths shut, and don’t support each other then evil will win.

And if good people are stupid enough to join with bad people evil also wins.

[Swordsmyth]

It applies to what's going on in the country as a whole. I was watching Bloomberg today and they had a Republichump congressman on and a former DemocRAT congressman on. Both agreed with the "red flag" law but disagreed on the assault weapons ban. The deal has been cut already in the backroom and the general atmosphere of fear that the Orange man has stoked is helping to grease the wheels. You're worried about a permanent blue majority. I get it. That can be stopped. I see it in my own community that libertarian ideas are spreading, even among black people who would NOT have considered Ron Paul 8 years ago. But the atmosphere of fear is greatly hindering that progress.

You can't educate people as fast as they can cross the border or breed.

[tfurrh]

"You're being paranoid. You're falling victim to fear. You're reading this all wrong".

Said the Ottoman Turks to the Armenians.

[jmdrake]

You can't educate people as fast as they can cross the border or breed.

They're no more socialist then the "old base" democrats you defend.

[jmdrake]

How stupid do you think we are?

You are a complete moron. I already know that. You support socialists as long as they are "old base" socialism.

Some things should be feared and others should not, some "solutions" are wrong and others are not.

Most people hear weren't running around fear mongering about Muslims in 2008 when this was about supporting Ron Paul instead of supporting an orangutan who wants to take away your guns.

[Pauls' Revere]

The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.

H. L. Mencken

and so the people give government a false sense of purpose.

[Swordsmyth]

You are a complete moron. I already know that. You support socialists as long as they are "old base" socialism.

That's completely wrong as I demonstrated in the thread where you made it up.

Most people hear weren't running around fear mongering about Muslims in 2008 when this was about supporting Ron Paul instead of supporting an orangutan who wants to take away your guns.

We should be concerned with all of the anti-liberty cultures flooding into our country, especially since they give the government the excuse for more rights violations that Ron opposes, that's where the right vs. wrong solutions come in.

[Swordsmyth]

They're no more socialist then the "old base" democrats you defend.

That's nonsense, Larry McDonald was no socialist.

[donnay]

That's nonsense, Larry McDonald was no socialist.

Larry McDonald knew exactly what was going on. He was a Bircher. Interesting enough, Fred Trump, the President's father was one too.

[jmdrake]

That's nonsense, Larry McDonald was no socialist.

Larry McDonald is not representative of "old base" democrats as a whole any more than Ron Paul is representative of 21st century republicans as a whole.

[Swordsmyth]

Larry McDonald is not representative of "old base" democrats as a whole any more than Ron Paul is representative of 21st century republicans as a whole.

I didn't say he was, my point is that neither is FDR, I keep telling you that American politics was a confused mess until recent decades but you are insistent on citing an example here or there to call all southern democrats from an earlier era racist socialists.

[phill4paul]

And that's why the put in a fear mongering president. (Donald Trump). And yes Obama fear mongered as did dubya Bush as Bill Clinton as did poppy Bush as did.....

Ron Paul....the man without fear.

Please list, exactly, his statements that you believe to be fear mongering. "There's good people on both sides?"

[Anti Federalist]

Please list, exactly, his statements that you believe to be fear mongering. "There's good people on both sides?"

Yes, this is frustrating.

As if I'm taking my clues from Trump...or any other politician for that matter.

My "fear", if you want to call it that, is well justified, NOT because of the Drunken Monkey's ramblings, but by the utter, total and complete meltdown that he has caused amongst the Bolsheviks.

I think everybody is well aware that, stripped away and looked at coherently, Trump's core ideology is NYC liberal and probably closer to the left's than anybody here.

That doesn't matter.

What matters is, right or wrong, just his face has got the Jacobins spun up into a murderous frenzy with no signs of backing down.

And they do not care if you did or did not support Trump, they don't care about any of that...you and me, just by virtue of who we are, are the enemy to them.

I don't carry a sidearm all the time...where I live, frankly, there is almost no need.

That is no longer the case.

[phill4paul]

Yes, this is frustrating.

As if I'm taking my clues from Trump...or any other politician for that matter.

My "fear", if you want to call it that, is well justified, NOT because of the Drunken Monkey's ramblings, but by the utter, total and complete meltdown that he has caused amongst the Bolsheviks.

I think everybody is well aware that, stripped away and looked at coherently, Trump's core ideology is NYC liberal and probably closer to the left's than anybody here.

That doesn't matter.

What matters is, right or wrong, just his face has got the Jacobins spun up into a murderous frenzy with no signs of backing down.

And they do not care if you did or did not support Trump, they don't care about any of that...you and me, just by virtue of who we are, are the enemy to them.

I don't carry a sidearm all the time...where I live, frankly, there is almost no need.

That is no longer the case.

Just ordered my first 'legally' purchased side arm. Ordered for the singular purpose of using it to take a CCW class. Had to go through the local Shire-Reeve, doff my cap. Give every available info including my DD-214 and pay five ducats for a permit.
And this is in a 'Republican' county. $#@! these $#@!s.
Then on to doffing my hat again. Taking a Saturday 10 hr. course. And give 90 ducats.For a CCW,
Just so when some motherfucker that does none of this threatens me I can end his life, and STILL have to go to court.

[PursuePeace]

The horrible, insanely unfair and atrocious way the MSM treats Trump is so beyond anything I've ever see in my entire life that this should at least give some of you an inkling that something is amiss. The Trump Hate Extravaganza is played out on a 24/7 endless loop. Why is that?

[donnay]

The horrible, insanely unfair and atrocious way the MSM treats Trump is so beyond anything I've ever see in my entire life that this should at least give some of you an inkling that something is amiss. The Trump Hate Extravaganza is played out on a 24/7 endless loop. Why is that?

Exactly. There have been some real creeps in the White House, and yet, I have never, ever, seen this level of hatred and animus towards a president in all my life.

The one thing that it proves to me is, they were so sure (due to rigged elections) Hillary was going to get in, that when she didn't the demons came out in full force. They certainly didn't make that mistake during the midterms and they are going to try their damndest to make sure 2020 doesn't get Trump re-elected. Trump has been doing some real damage exposing this evil, IMHO.

[Cap]

How stupid do you think we are?

Some things should be feared and others should not, some "solutions" are wrong and others are not.

Stop drinking the Soma.

Says the Shill cheer-leading for a caged in police state.

[Ender]

The horrible, insanely unfair and atrocious way the MSM treats Trump is so beyond anything I've ever see in my entire life that this should at least give some of you an inkling that something is amiss. The Trump Hate Extravaganza is played out on a 24/7 endless loop. Why is that?

There is no such thing as "bad" publicity- Trump & TPTB know this. This has been a giant con game to divide people even more & to take your eye off the mark. I've said this from the beginning & now it's even more obvious.

[shakey1]

There is no such thing as "bad" publicity- Trump & TPTB know this. This has been a giant con game to divide people even more & to take your eye off the mark. I've said this from the beginning & now it's even more obvious.

TPTB... keeping the masses in fear & confused since 9/11/2001 (at least).

[PursuePeace]

Exactly. There have been some real creeps in the White House, and yet, I have never, ever, seen this level of hatred and animus towards a president in all my life.

The one thing that it proves to me is, they were so sure (due to rigged elections) Hillary was going to get in, that when she didn't the demons came out in full force. They certainly didn't make that mistake during the midterms and they are going to try their damndest to make sure 2020 doesn't get Trump re-elected. Trump has been doing some real damage exposing this evil, IMHO.

I agree.

[Anti Federalist]

The horrible, insanely unfair and atrocious way the MSM treats Trump is so beyond anything I've ever see in my entire life that this should at least give some of you an inkling that something is amiss. The Trump Hate Extravaganza is played out on a 24/7 endless loop. Why is that?

Why?

He touched, or TPTB think, he is going to touch a raw nerve.

Could be the widespread kiddie diddling, and worse, that almost all of them are compromised by.

All I know, is regardless of who might be pulling strings, the Bolshevik/Jacobinite left is a clear and present danger.

I will fight and defend myself.

The ship is sinking...right now is not the time to stand around arguing about whose fault it was.

[Anti Federalist]

Just ordered my first 'legally' purchased side arm. Ordered for the singular purpose of using it to take a CCW class. Had to go through the local Shire-Reeve, doff my cap. Give every available info including my DD-214 and pay five ducats for a permit.
And this is in a 'Republican' county. $#@! these $#@!s.
Then on to doffing my hat again. Taking a Saturday 10 hr. course. And give 90 ducats.For a CCW,
Just so when some motherfucker that does none of this threatens me I can end his life, and STILL have to go to court.

My permit is the Second Amendment.

That is the NH way...for a little while longer anyway.

[phill4paul]

My permit is the Second Amendment.

That is the NH way...for a little while longer anyway.

I envy you. Law and Order Repulicunts have screwed N.C. badly.

[Swordsmyth]

Says the Shill cheer-leading for a caged in police state.

[Swordsmyth]

There is no such thing as "bad" publicity- Trump & TPTB know this. This has been a giant con game to divide people even more & to take your eye off the mark. I've said this from the beginning & now it's even more obvious.

That is a myth.

[jmdrake]

Please list, exactly, his statements that you believe to be fear mongering. "There's good people on both sides?"

Donald Trump supported an assault weapons ban back in 2000. Would you consider that fear mongering, yes or no?

As for the "There's good people on both sides" compare that to "There are rapists and murderers coming across the border...and I'm sure there are some good people too." And Trump made the "Good people on both sides" statement after someone on one side had murdered someone on the other. By the way, the organizers of Charlottesville march were white supremacists (some who hated Trump for letting his daughter marry a Jew) and some George Soros backed "Occupy Wallstreet" marxists. Not sure where the "good people" come in there. Again, I'm talking about the organizers.

The whole "This is an invasion" is fear mongering as well. Maybe you think the fear mongering is justified. That doesn't make it not fear mongering. It's interesting that the "It's an invasion" crowd here isn't willing to follow that line of reasoning to its logical conclusion. (If it's an invasion coming up through Mexico then do whatever it takes to stop it while its still in Mexico.) Nope. The "invasion" reasoning is only okay as long as its limited to wasting America's resources and trouncing on the civil liberties and land rights of U.S. citizens.

You've been here since 2007. Back then this movement seemed like an oasis from all of the "mooselums gonna get us" fear mongering going on in the rest of the GOP. People openly debated whether the Nick Berg video was a "false flag." And even those who believed the "official story" were like "Fix the foreign policy and the rest will take care of itself." Now it's like someone jumped into a time machine, picked up the worst of the worst of the Glen Beck followers, gave them a handful of Ron Paul talking points, and deposited them here. As I pointed out earlier, the same Alex Jones that interviewed the mom of the Boston Marathon bombing as a potential "false flag" is now acting like every Muslim attack, real or imagined, is indication of the end of western civilization as we know it.

[jmdrake]

Yes, this is frustrating.

As if I'm taking my clues from Trump...or any other politician for that matter.

I never said you did. Some are though.

My "fear", if you want to call it that, is well justified, NOT because of the Drunken Monkey's ramblings, but by the utter, total and complete meltdown that he has caused amongst the Bolsheviks.

I worry about the meltdown he will cause among his own supporters once they realize how badly he has betrayed them. I am suspecting that won't happen until the second term though. I heard a local "conservative" talk show host yesterday defending Trump's call for "red flag" laws based on the idiot that walked into WalMart strapped with an AK47 even though the idiot was arrested under the "terrorist threat" laws already on the books in all 50 states proving that a "red flag" law would have been redundant.

I think everybody is well aware that, stripped away and looked at coherently, Trump's core ideology is NYC liberal and probably closer to the left's than anybody here.

I wish that were true.

That doesn't matter.

What matters is, right or wrong, just his face has got the Jacobins spun up into a murderous frenzy with no signs of backing down.

And they do not care if you did or did not support Trump, they don't care about any of that...you and me, just by virtue of who we are, are the enemy to them.

I don't carry a sidearm all the time...where I live, frankly, there is almost no need.

That is no longer the case.

You are worrying yourself over the most unlikely scenario. A bunch of beta male O'Rourke's who have been trained that dodgeball is aggravated assault aren't going to start a violent civil war. What is a more likely scenario is that Trump incrementally continue to infringe on 2nd amendment freedoms, protected from the left by the democrats and from the right by the "Well he's better than Hillary...and we got to so something to take away the democratic talking points" talking heads. Then, when either he loses in 2020, or the next republican loses in 2024, and the new democratic president follows along in Trump's gun banning footprints, the knuckleheads on the right will start a second civil war. Trump will get away with gun banning the same way Obama got away with being the "Deporter in chief" and keeping children in cages. His rhetoric doesn't match his actions and all that most dumbed down Americans, on the left of the right, can see is rhetoric.