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Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
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Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
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Alexis de Torqueville
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Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Of course it is. But I suppose you think it's coincidence that IDs now have a "NOT FOR FEDERAL IDENTIFICATION" option and a "FOR FEDERAL IDENTIFICATION" option (REALID) at the same time Trump is pushing for everyone to have an ID in order to participate in governance in any sort. For someone that claims to hate socialism so much, you sure do appear to love supporting every single step it takes to implement it.
Oh that's right, you support theocratic world government, which is socialist world government. Never mind.
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
Uh, no. Only #1 (i) fits the type of voter ID I referenced. It's been a long time since I dug into it but, as I recall, Real ID is about passports, employment and other things besides voting. Nobody should be voting who isn't a US citizen and those Real ID criteria pertain to all sort of non citizens.
You should update your knowledgebase. It applies to state issued IDs now. My SO just renewed her driver license and was given the option of whether to receive a standard license or a REALID federally compliant license. Eventually those state IDs will be phased out for a federal ID. Cuz' Messicans. All the stuff posted years ago about REALID is happening now...
Last edited by devil21; 08-14-2019 at 09:51 PM.
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Precincts matter because it is closest to home. I do work the precincts every election. You get the know who the folks in your local community and what their general views are. "Exit Polling" helps a lot which I do a lot of, though it is their right if they wish not to share. Once that becomes the state or Fed's responsibility, well, we know what would happen.
I don't need biometrics, Real ID or other state/fed "solution". I know the folks in my locale for the most part. That +/- 1-3% margin of error, if it exists, does not warrant overlords coming into my neighborhood.
Coming from the top on down including this president, Real ID is another excuse to push responsibility onto somebody else, in this case the State/Fed. For those who truly believe in limited government, they need to get off of their own fannies and get to work, and work the system from the bottom-up, the way that it was intended.
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An Agorist Primer ~ Samuel Edward Konkin III (free PDF download)
The End of All Evil ~ Jeremy Locke (free PDF download)
Yes, real ID is about lots of things. One of them is validation of citizenship or immigration status. Because Mexicans, as @devil21 put it.
I don't understand your point. By having people submit evidence of citizenship or immigration when they apply for an ID (which is what Real ID requires), the state is creating a record in a database which says whether that person can vote or not. If you want voter ID, you also have to do that. So you're either going to 1) use Real ID-compliant ID cards, or 2) create a second Real ID database with all of the same information in it, but call it Voter ID instead so that you feel better, even though it is exactly the same.
If that's not true, I'd love to hear how your theoretical voter ID is different from Real ID in anything besides name.
Make no mistake, this will somehow be used to further expand the big government police state. Preventing voter fraud is certainly a good thing. But it will come as no surprise if this ends up being nothing more than another trojan horse for "real id" (biometrics). In addition, states currently make their own laws concerning voter verification, so this would also be further undermining of the 10th Amendment.
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That's the speel that those who do not understand what the mark of the beast is. It has been used for a very long time to instill fear in people. The mark is allowing this fear to consume your mind. If you believe the malarky you are doing Satan's bidding.
Revelation 9:4 (KJV)
4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
What then is the Mark of the Beast? Explain...
At the current trajectory, no one will be able to conduct commerce without an ID, which is exactly what is described as the Mark. No one shall buy or sell....
Tried to withdraw money or cash a check from a bank without an ID? Get a credit card or loan? Go to a bar? Wasn't it Trump himself that said people needed ID just to buy groceries about a year ago? With cashless society being pushed to remove private and anonymous commerce and a fully trackable and ID-tied method installed instead (cryptocurrency), how can anyone NOT claim that ID is precisely a representation of the Mark? Heck, even the credit card slip has the "X" next to where you sign (sin) and the X is called the Mark in religious parlance.
Last edited by devil21; 08-15-2019 at 11:03 AM.
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
____________
An Agorist Primer ~ Samuel Edward Konkin III (free PDF download)
The End of All Evil ~ Jeremy Locke (free PDF download)
I think it's more specifically a case of people relying too much on their "leaders" (religious figures, politicians, etc) to "explain" everything to them and never bothering to do any truth-finding and critical-thinking on their own.
Also consider how I stated in this thread that IDs are in and of themselves a form of fraud since you are lying by 1)representing yourself as someone you are not, thus unwittingly sinning by bearing false witness and 2)unwittingly representing yourself as a thing (ties into my posts on the License thread) instead of a divine creation. Religious people don't have a clue what they're actually being lead into by their "leaders". Never mind that fraud is also being committed against them by getting them to accept IDs under false pretenses. That's actually minor by comparison to the big picture.
Last edited by devil21; 08-15-2019 at 11:23 AM.
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
You have to be smarter than the serpent... You need to be a watchmen and discern--there are triumphs, vials, and seals foretold throughout the word in the Bible. The Mark is doing the work of Satan--which is when he will appear on earth--the 6th trump, the 6th vial and the the 6th seal. Christians (who know and understand God's word) should be paying attention and know to stock up on things like food, water, precious metals--things that can be used to barter). This will be for a short period, five months (Matthew 24:22 - Revelation 9:5).
The Mark in their heads (what is in your brain, knowledge and wisdom) and in their right hand, they are doing the work of Satan because they are not familiar enough to know the time we are in. It is symbolic, it is not a physical Mark.
Just as Jesus sits at the right hand of God (58 Bible verses discussing the right hand)-- those who use their right hand for the wicked is working for Satan and doing his work.
The only liberty we have is through the Spirit of the Lord. No man can give us liberty.
2 Corinthians 3:17 (KJV)
"Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty."
Mark 13:23
“But take ye heed: behold, I [God] have foretold you all things.”
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
...and what else might come of this voter id? What other creative use might we find this "length of rope" tied to?
Gulag Chief: "Article 58-1a, twenty five years... What did you get it for?"
Gulag Prisoner: "For nothing at all."
Gulag Chief: "You're lying... The sentence for nothing at all is 10 years"
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
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