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  1. #301
    Quote Originally Posted by BSWPaulsen View Post
    Secession is not going to happen. We are living out the modern version of the decline and fall of the Roman Empire.
    Probably not widespread. Maybe if things really went to hell a large state like TX, FL or CA could go it alone.



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  3. #302
    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    Probably not widespread. Maybe if things really went to hell a large state like TX, FL or CA could go it alone.
    And if a number of states secede and form a confederation?
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  4. #303
    Quote Originally Posted by BSWPaulsen View Post
    Secession is not going to happen. We are living out the modern version of the decline and fall of the Roman Empire.
    No, most likely not.

    The men who would carry out such a thing are so utterly demoralized, chemically castrated and mentally poisoned against themselves and their posterity, they kill themselves by the hundreds of thousands on cheap synthetic Chinese dope, or swallow their pistol barrel, before lifting a finger to save themselves.

    The rest lack the guts to even try that, waiting instead for a suicide booth to be set on their street, or to just die in the next wave of man made plague that comes out of communist China.

    The only question I suppose, is this: how long will this Dark Age last and will mankind be able to recover from it?
    Another mark of a tyrant is that he likes foreigners better than citizens, and lives with them and invites them to his table; for the one are enemies, but the Others enter into no rivalry with him. - Aristotle's Politics Book 5 Part 11

  5. #304
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    And if a number of states secede and form a confederation?
    I can't see it happening. But who knows?



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  7. #305
    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    I can't see it happening.
    You're on the Atlantic seaboard, too.

    The Breadbasket of the World is fed up.
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  8. #306
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    No, most likely not.

    The men who would carry out such a thing are so utterly demoralized, chemically castrated and mentally poisoned against themselves and their posterity, they kill themselves by the hundreds of thousands on cheap synthetic Chinese dope, or swallow their pistol barrel, before lifting a finger to save themselves.

    The rest lack the guts to even try that, waiting instead for a suicide booth to be set on their street, or to just die in the next wave of man made plague that comes out of communist China.

    The only question I suppose, is this: how long will this Dark Age last and will mankind be able to recover from it?
    "We" have a number of viable options to resolve this now, but we choose not to.

    Or perhaps more generously, "we" simply lack an appropriate leader with the requisite knack and will for disobedience.
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  9. #307
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    No surprise there.

    Only thing that surprises me (slightly) is that Georgia has now, three times in a row, voted for a black Communist for senator.

    "The Long March" has paid off for the left, in spades.

    What's left of this country that does not secede will look like Venezuela in another 20 years or less.

    Warnock won because Trump's loser Apprentice candidate and USFL draft pick was the Republican candidate. Any normal Republican wins this election . Brian Kemp won the race for governor by 8%.

    Warnock won in 2020 because Trump put the Republican candidates in an impossible position. He came out promoting $2500 stimmies after both the Republican candidates who already won the first round said they were against more stimmies.

  10. #308
    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    Warnock won because Trump's loser Apprentice candidate and USFL draft pick was the Republican candidate. Any normal Republican wins this election . Brian Kemp won the race for governor by 8%.

    Warnock won in 2020 because Trump put the Republican candidates in an impossible position. He came out promoting $2500 stimmies after both the Republican candidates who already won the first round said they were against more stimmies.
    They couldn't possibly have picked a more perfect personality to expose the hypocrisy of many Republicans than that New York Democrat.
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  11. #309
    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    Warnock won because Trump's loser Apprentice candidate and USFL draft pick was the Republican candidate. Any normal Republican wins this election . Brian Kemp won the race for governor by 8%.

    Warnock won in 2020 because Trump put the Republican candidates in an impossible position. He came out promoting $2500 stimmies after both the Republican candidates who already won the first round said they were against more stimmies.
    I agree. Walker was a weak candidate on multiple levels. He should have never been promoted. It was ridiculous.

    But, the fact that this election no longer swung the Senate either way, that was the real deciding factor.
    If a Walker win would have taken the Senate for GOP, I think he would have won.
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  12. #310
    Quote Originally Posted by Snowball View Post
    I agree. Walker was a weak candidate on multiple levels. He should have never been promoted. It was ridiculous.

    But, the fact that this election no longer swung the Senate either way, that was the real deciding factor.
    If a Walker win would have taken the Senate for GOP, I think he would have won.
    Maybe if Trump didn't push a TV doctor from NJ on PA voters it would have been a deciding race.

  13. #311
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    It may not happen, and may not be likely to happen, but I don't think it can be claimed with certainty that it will not or can not happen.
    Some people might try it. Those people will likely receive death as a reward and increased tyranny for everyone else in the aftermath. Furthermore, the genius behind the decision to allow unfettered and unassimilated immigration is that the sort of common cultural bond needed to give it a chance at success already no longer exists. Simply put, heterogeneous societies are incapable of the kind of cohesion needed for secession to be both undertaken and successfully defended. It is much easier to put down an insurrection when members of a different group than the ones perpetrating it are called upon to do it.

    In other words, secession either will not happen or it is already doomed to failure as a result of decisions made decades ago. As such, there is little to do other than to enjoy the decline and fall and hope that American history serves as a cautionary tale to some future group.

    As a sidenote, secession is prone to failure even in a homogeneous society. It is difficult enough without considering other factors, but once heterogeneity is considered, it becomes a suicidal choice.

    An even better analogy is the decline and fall of the Roman Republic.

    The parallels between present-day America and the late Roman Republic are many and striking - increasing degradation and escalating abrogations of mos maiorum (especially in regard to its political norms), massive and contentious expansions of enfranchisement, the financial and logistic difficulties of maintaining client-state hegemony, etc. (The only really "big" things missing are analogs of the Marian military reforms.)

    If not repetition, then there is certainly a lot of "rhyming" going on. Rhymes have a tempo, though, so before we get to our version of Julius Caesar (let alone Octavian/Augustus) - and if you are correct that secession won't happen (or maybe even because it does happen) - then we're basically just waiting for a latter-day Sulla ...
    You have a point, but I am keeping it as the Roman Empire for a few reasons. The first being that this country is an empire and has been since at least the American Civil War. There is no question that Americans from that time onward have reaped similar benefits as those gained by citizens belonging to a prosperous empire. Similarly, Romans did benefit from the transition into an empire for a time. Secondly, the legislature of this country is an ornamental piece much as it was once emperors came into being in Rome. This is reflected by the executive branch continually expanding its reach and influence as legislators do little to nothing. The spirit of the American Republic may have ended during President George W. Bush's time (if not sooner - some would argue the creation of the Federal Reserve or other historically significant dates, but the Patriot Act signaled a dramatic shift away from paying lip service to the idea of a republic into a sort of executive branch dictatorship), and far too few realized it at the time. For reasons mentioned earlier, we will not have a Sulla. That will be our modern innovation on the ancient cycle of an empire.

    Aside from that, the only thing we are waiting for is repeated sacking by barbarians to signal the end of the American experiment. With the barbarians already inside the gates and different areas refusing to prosecute crimes such as theft, that point may already be passing without it being realized at the present time.

    After the country has been sacked enough, balkanization can be expected as that is the inevitable fate of heterogeneous societies that face hardships that were formerly prevented by the empire that governed them. That balkanization is the closest the future people of this country will ever get to secession, but it is obviously inferior on account of secession being based on ideals rather than tribal concerns like those associated with balkanization.
    Last edited by BSWPaulsen; 12-07-2022 at 01:53 PM.

  14. #312
    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    Maybe if Trump didn't push a TV doctor from NJ on PA voters it would have been a deciding race.

    Naw, I don't agree there. Oz was a strong candidate. It's just that socialism is getting very, very popular.
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  16. #313
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    No, most likely not.

    The men who would carry out such a thing are so utterly demoralized, chemically castrated and mentally poisoned against themselves and their posterity, they kill themselves by the hundreds of thousands on cheap synthetic Chinese dope, or swallow their pistol barrel, before lifting a finger to save themselves.

    The rest lack the guts to even try that, waiting instead for a suicide booth to be set on their street, or to just die in the next wave of man made plague that comes out of communist China.

    The only question I suppose, is this: how long will this Dark Age last and will mankind be able to recover from it?
    Setting aside the demoralization, those that would rise up would be quashed with the assistance of outside groups that are already inside the country. This country is no longer capable of the sort of cultural cohesion required to effectively combat and defeat tyranny. There are millions of people, belonging to many different cultures, that would gladly destroy an attempt at secession in the hopes of elevating their group's position within the extant hierarchy.

    If mankind ever does return to traditional American values, it would take a miracle. A culture that prioritizes individualism and liberty are anomalous within the broader context of the species. Mankind will continue, but it will continue as it always has - arranged in hierarchies built upon collectivist cultures.

  17. #314
    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    Warnock won because Trump's loser Apprentice candidate and USFL draft pick was the Republican candidate. Any normal Republican wins this election . Brian Kemp won the race for governor by 8%.
    Exactly! I don't think anyone ought to read any more than that into the election.

    Beyond the percentages, there were over 18,000 voters who cast ballots for Governor but couldn't bring themselves to cast a ballot for Senator. The Libertarian candidate for Governor received 28,074 votes - those are the die-hard libertarians. The Libertarian candidate for Senator received 81,173 votes - 53,099 more than the die-hards.

    Furthermore, about 6.5% of the people who voted for Warnock in the general didn't bother to come out and vote in the runoff. But the case for Walker was even worse - about 9.8% of the people who voted for him the general failed to turn out for the runoff.
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  18. #315
    Quote Originally Posted by Snowball View Post
    Naw, I don't agree there. Oz was a strong candidate. It's just that socialism is getting very, very popular.
    When your candidate loses to a guy who is literally brain damaged, there could possibly be an issue with your candidate.

  19. #316
    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    Maybe if Trump didn't push a TV doctor from NJ on PA voters it would have been a deciding race.
    Not like you would've liked Kathy Barnette any better.

    IMO "Oz" was a more moderate AKA doesn't-really-stand-for-anything-candidate than she was. Should've been right up your alley.
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    This is getting silly.
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    It started silly.
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  20. #317
    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    When your candidate loses to a guy who is literally brain damaged, there could possibly be an issue with your candidate.
    Dem voters are the majority by population in PA now. There's nothing more to it.
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  21. #318
    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    Not like you would've liked Kathy Barnette any better.

    IMO "Oz" was a more moderate AKA doesn't-really-stand-for-anything-candidate than she was. Should've been right up your alley.
    He would have sucked. I couldn't see him sponsoring any decent legislation or doing much but keeping a chair warm. But a vote is a vote and he would vote for things I want. Problem with Oz is that he lived in NJ. That doomed his campaign from the get go.

  22. #319
    Quote Originally Posted by Snowball View Post
    Dem voters are the majority by population in PA now. There's nothing more to it.
    PA is Philly and Pittsburgh on each end with Alabama in the middle.

  23. #320
    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    PA is Philly and Pittsburgh on each end with Alabama in the middle.
    yes - and Alabama in the middle loses.
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  25. #321
    Quote Originally Posted by BSWPaulsen View Post
    If mankind ever does return to traditional American values, it would take a miracle. A culture that prioritizes individualism and liberty are anomalous within the broader context of the species. Mankind will continue, but it will continue as it always has - arranged in hierarchies built upon collectivist cultures
    Somebody gave Mrs. AF a copy of Battle for the American Mind: Uprooting a Century of Miseducation.

    Now, I'm hesitant to quote from a ghost written book authored by a Conservative Inc. grifter, but they do make a very valid point concerning that word, "values".

    Basic thumbnail of the point they made: Marxist theft of the language has stolen the word that goes there: "virtues".

    Diversity and "inclusion", i.e. "That insane fat man in a dress is actually a woman and you must address it as so, in the name of tolerance" is a "value".

    Thrift, individual independence, a strong work ethic, wisdom...these are "virtues", all of them and more used to form the basis of an educational padeia that was the foundation of Western Civilization.

    Now they reduced from "morals" to "values", no different than any other.
    Another mark of a tyrant is that he likes foreigners better than citizens, and lives with them and invites them to his table; for the one are enemies, but the Others enter into no rivalry with him. - Aristotle's Politics Book 5 Part 11

  26. #322
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Diversity and "inclusion"
    This always grinds my gears.

    These two words, "diversity", and "inclusion" are diametrically opposed - they cannot sustainably co-exist.

    The only way those two things can co-exist, is if one chooses to define "diversity" purely by skin color.

    Inclusion is necessarily the death of any meaningful form of culture.

    One could even make the argument that culture is defined by intolerance and exclusion.
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  27. #323
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Somebody gave Mrs. AF a copy of Battle for the American Mind: Uprooting a Century of Miseducation.

    Now, I'm hesitant to quote from a ghost written book authored by a Conservative Inc. grifter, but they do make a very valid point concerning that word, "values".

    Basic thumbnail of the point they made: Marxist theft of the language has stolen the word that goes there: "virtues".

    Diversity and "inclusion", i.e. "That insane fat man in a dress is actually a woman and you must address it as so, in the name of tolerance" is a "value".

    Thrift, individual independence, a strong work ethic, wisdom...these are "virtues", all of them and more used to form the basis of an educational padeia that was the foundation of Western Civilization.

    Now they reduced from "morals" to "values", no different than any other.
    Piquant observation.

  28. #324
    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    When your candidate loses to a guy who is literally brain damaged, there could possibly be an issue with your candidate.
    To me it says a lot about the avg voter in that state , just as schumer does in ny
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  29. #325
    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    When your candidate loses to a guy who is literally brain damaged, there could possibly be an issue with your candidate.
    Quite a lot of irony in the brain damaged Dem winning (PA) while the brain damaged Repub loses (GA). Can anyone still honestly say they don't think Trump is and always has been a trojan horse? Everything he does and pretty much ever did damages the GOP yet there are still posters here carrying his water.

    Having said that......lol@voting. $#@!'s been rigged since the fake Bush/Gore election drama created the excuse to introduce the machines.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

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  30. #326
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Quite a lot of irony in the brain damaged Dem winning (PA) while the brain damaged Repub loses (GA). Can anyone still honestly say they don't think Trump is and always has been a trojan horse? Everything he does and pretty much ever did damages the GOP yet there are still posters here carrying his water.

    Having said that......lol@voting. $#@!'s been rigged since the fake Bush/Gore election drama created the excuse to introduce the machines.
    1000!
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  31. #327
    This was based upon the November general election exit polling for the Georgia Senate (Walker/Warnock/Oliver) race

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  32. #328
    You know it's kinda odd I've voted since I was 18 (almost 20 years) and I've never been approached by nor seen anyone doing an exit poll. It's a rural town though. I wonder how they conduct those and have anything near a broad sample size, assuming they stick near major cities.

    Only asking because I think the latinos are shifting in Georgia to republican (not as fast as Florida's). But that probably doesn't apply to the metro areas.

    I definitely don't believe that fewer latino men are voting republican than latino women.
    Last edited by nobody's_hero; 12-08-2022 at 11:46 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
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  34. #329
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    1000!
    And they're running a variation of the same playbook in order to introduce the already-created USPS blockchain (smartphone?) voting system. My guess is it'll be publicized widely next year for eventual use in the 2024 election cycle. I'd expect Elon and Donald to be the major mouthpieces for it so Republicans buy into it as the solution to the rigging problem.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

  35. #330
    The most shocking Senate result: Every incumbent won

    One of the most common refrains in politics is voters hate Washington and want outsiders to be elected to office. But Sen. Raphael Warnock’s victory in Georgia’s Senate runoff on Tuesday is part of a trend that suggests that, at least in 2022, that wasn’t true.

    Each of the 29 Senate incumbents who ran for reelection won. This year’s Senate elections marked the first time in at least a century in which no incumbent senator up for reelection lost.
    ...
    Like in the Senate, incumbent governors across the board seemed to do historically well. There was just one governor who lost reelection (Steve Sisolak of Nevada). That one loss marks the fewest losses by sitting governors in cycles in which at least 10 of them ran since at least 1948.
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