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    30 House Dems ask Biden to talk to Russia, he refuses.

    https://news.antiwar.com/2022/10/24/...e-with-russia/

    Thirty Progressive House Democrats Urge Biden to Negotiate With Russia

    A group of progressive House Democrats is urging President Biden to negotiate with Russia and seek a diplomatic solution to the war in Ukraine.

    In a letter to Biden signed by 30 House Democrats, the lawmakers said they have supported Biden’s Ukraine policy but that the risk of nuclear war and “catastrophic escalation” means that the US should be pushing for negotiations.

    “We urge you to pair the military and economic support the United States has provided to Ukraine with a proactive diplomatic push, redoubling efforts to seek a realistic framework for a ceasefire,” the letter reads.

    The letter was led by Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-WA), the chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus. In a statement to The Washington Post, she said, “The longer the war in Ukraine goes on, the greater the risk of escalation — to widespread, devastating effect.”

    The Biden administration has shown little interest in diplomacy with Russia despite the president’s recent warning that there is a higher risk of nuclear “armageddon” today than at any time since the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis. The Washington Post reported earlier this month that US officials have ruled out pushing Ukraine to the negotiating table even though they don’t think Kyiv can win the war “outright.”

    The lawmakers said in the letter that they agree with the administration’s position that it’s not the US’s “place” to pressure Ukraine’s government. But they added that “as legislators responsible for the expenditure of tens of billions of US taxpayer dollars in military assistance in the conflict, we believe such involvement in this war also creates a responsibility for the United States to seriously explore all possible avenues.”

    One avenue the lawmakers said Biden should explore is direct talks with Russia, and they said a framework for a ceasefire could include “some form of sanctions relief.”

    The progressive Democrats concluded the letter by calling on Biden to “make vigorous diplomatic efforts in support of a negotiated settlement and ceasefire, engage in direct talks with Russia explore prospects for a new European security arrangement acceptable to all parties that will allow for a sovereign and independent Ukraine, and, in coordination with our Ukrainian partners, seek a rapid end to the conflict and reiterate this goal as America’s chief priority.”

    In response to the letter, the White House rejected the idea of diplomacy with Russia. “It’s clear Mr. Putin is in no mood to negotiate,” said National Security Council spokesman John Kirby. “We’re not going to have conversations with Russian leadership without the Ukrainians being represented.”

    Some prominent signatories to the letter include Reps. Barbara Lee (D-CA), Ro Khanna (D-CA), Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY), Ilhan Omar (D-MN), and Rashida Tlaib (D-MI). Each signatory voted in favor of spending tens of billions on the war, including the $40 billion Ukraine aid bill that was passed in May, which only faced opposition from a small group of Republicans.
    "When Sombart says: "Capitalism is born from the money-loan", I should like to add to this: Capitalism actually exists only in the money-loan;" - Theodor Fritsch



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    Some prominent signatories to the letter include Reps. Barbara Lee (D-CA), Ro Khanna (D-CA), Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY), Ilhan Omar (D-MN), and Rashida Tlaib (D-MI). Each signatory voted in favor of spending tens of billions on the war, including the $40 billion Ukraine aid bill that was passed in May, which only faced opposition from a small group of Republicans.
    Virtue signalling -- A

    Actual Virtue -- F
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    We believe our lying eyes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Virtue signalling -- A

    Actual Virtue -- F
    It didn't last long

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...house-response

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt4Liberty View Post
    "We’ve been very clear: Nothing about Ukraine without Ukraine," White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre told reporters on Monday in response to the letter, adding that "this is a decision that President Zelensky is going to have to make when it comes to any type of conversation with Russia, any type of negotiation."
    Not a funny joke. Zelensky is a politician, and he'll say only what the people sending him another $40,000,000,000 tell him to say.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    We believe our lying eyes...

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    I’ll take the token gesture.. sumthin sumthin

    Need a lot more

    You know Dr.Paul would be working with everyone he could to stop the war madness

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    French President Macron urging Pope Francis to call Biden to stop the war.

    https://news.yahoo.com/macron-urges-...141500726.html
    "When Sombart says: "Capitalism is born from the money-loan", I should like to add to this: Capitalism actually exists only in the money-loan;" - Theodor Fritsch

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    They had withdrawn the demand because the left and right complained..

    Got outraged..

    They dont want this endless conflict to end.

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    The spice must flow.
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      -- Government (p. 99)
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngryCanadian View Post
    They had withdrawn the demand because the left and right complained..

    Got outraged..

    They dont want this endless conflict to end.
    The left and left complained. Why do people still call Neocons "the right" or "conservatives"?

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    Fixed it for them:

    In a letter to Biden signed by 30 House Democrats spineless, back-pedaling cowards, the lawmakers said they have supported Biden’s Ukraine policy but that the risk of nuclear war and “catastrophic escalation” means that the US should be pushing for negotiations.
    https://twitter.com/scotthortonshow/...98071850893312


    The letter was led by Rep. spineless, ass-covering coward Pramila Jayapal (D-WA), the chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus. In a statement to The Washington Post, she said, “The longer the war in Ukraine goes on, the greater the risk of escalation — to widespread, devastating effect.”
    https://twitter.com/frankthorp/statu...49083323580421
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 10-25-2022 at 04:30 PM.

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    https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/statu...98621124014080


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    From the last tweet in Greenwald's thread (see my previous post):

    https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1584978952963383297

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    There is no way in hell 30 house dems in this congress ( or 30 house dems in any congress in the past 2 1/4 decades) are going to stop the graft gravy train of the dem senators and white house . No way. That is all.
    Do something Danke

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    Wasn't adam kinzinger an anti Trumper?

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    Funny how these supposedly 30 Dems aren't calling for his resignation over this.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

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    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 10-26-2022 at 01:53 AM.



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    Quote Originally Posted by AngryCanadian View Post
    They had withdrawn the demand because the left and right complained..

    Got outraged..

    They dont want this endless conflict to end.
    that's right - and Pelosi is still calling for Crimea to go back to Ukraine, by force.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowball View Post
    that's right - and Pelosi is still calling for Crimea to go back to Ukraine, by force.

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    Do they know the lost in Afghanistan? or that Crimea has a large population of Russians who live there and had live since there decades?

    Good luck with that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    That alone should show that the deep state, Globalists likely do indeed control most of the decision making in Washington DC.


    This is coming after the oil reserves in the USA are running to its lowest.


    I had seen a tweet where Germany's current oil reserves are at 97%
    Its very likely the majority of the current oil reserves in the USA that had being reported gone had went to Western Europe, Germany.

    I doubt the American public was even made aware of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowball View Post
    that's right - and Pelosi is still calling for Crimea to go back to Ukraine, by force.

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    That also shows that its the USA that wants Crimea back, not Ukraine.
    Ukraine isn't even making the tactical decisions on its own currently let alone political ones.

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