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Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
It's all about Freedom
“I have no doubt that it is a part of the destiny of the human race, in its gradual improvement, to leave off eating animals, as surely as the savage tribes have left off eating each other.”
― Henry David Thoreau
Did Paul describe him as a Prophet. "A man who walked with God,, and was not, because God took him,"
No?
Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones to judge everyone, and to convict all of them of all the ungodly acts they have committed in their ungodliness, and of all the defiant words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.”[And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.You don't think his writings might be enlightening?By faith Enoch was taken up so that he did not see death. He could not be found, because God had taken him away. For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God.
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Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
It's all about Freedom
No. Because the book of Enoch was not written by Enoch. It is a first century work. In Enoch 10:2 it says Enoch wrote about Noah, even though the Bible says that Enoch was taken up to heaven years before Noah was born. It also says the wind comes out of a portal on the east edge of the flat earth. It contradicts Scripture over and over.
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
It's all about Freedom
Unless you are a King-James-onlyist, the Bible does not say that his name was ever Lucifer.
Lucifer is a Latin word meaning "shining one." It is used in the KJV in Isaiah 14 as a translation of the Hebrew word that means shining one, and there is no reason for it to be capitalized.
Let's say you're right and Ezekiel 28 is talking about an angel, as opposed to using figurative language (like Ezekiel does all throughout the book). How do you know which angel? I don't see any commonality between Ezekiel 28 and John 8:44 or 1 John 3:8. I'm not sure what you're trying to point out there. But if Ezekiel 28 is talking about an angel being cast out of Heaven, then it's also saying that the timing of that is some time after there were already nations on the earth. So it's long after Adam's sin.
It's an accurate statement of somebody who consciously refuses to obey scripture on the sacrament of communion, it's a little more specific and substantiated that "just because", though admittedly I used that on lilymc after he/she negged me for the reason of "//".
You two are made for each other, 100% snark and zero substance.
Your accusations of arrogance is an exercise in projection to an extreme bordering on ridiculous, and for two different people, you behave remarkably similar (snarky, unexplained negative rep attacks, likely compensating for something). Either way, the assertion that I am pushing "false doctrine" is not born out by scripture, and the woefully pathetic attempts at certain individuals to refute Sola's point regarding both foreknowledge and predestination are more in line with people who trust their own will more than scripture.
Either way, good luck with your snarky retorts, I hope your sarcasm will sate your ego.
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
It's all about Freedom
What are you even arguing about? Seriously? It clear that the devil/Satan/"the shining one"/whatever you want to call him was originally an angel in heaven. He had other angelic followers. They got kicked out by Michael.
Here is the NIV since you have some odd prejudice against the KJV.
Revelation 12
7 Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
Good grief. Did you totally not get the point I made about Babylon? The Bible talks about literal Babylon and figurative Babylon. In Ezekiel he was talking about a literal king and how that king could be compared to the angel that led a rebellion in heaven and was kicked out of heaven.
Revelation 12
7 Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
Let's say that's true. It isn't clear to me. But for the sake of argument, say it is. You claimed that Lucifer was his name, and furthermore that the Bible itself said so. Clearly the Bible does not say anything like that.
And even if the person Isaiah 14 is talking about is an angel, and even if that angel's name was Lucifer, how could you possibly know that that fallen angel is the same one who also goes by the title Satan?
Ummmm...no. It's talking about past tense. "But he was not strong enough and the lost their place in heaven. The great dragon was hurled down." But I'm sure @Sola_Fide will say "excellent point" to whatever bit of twisted biblical interpretation it takes for him to somehow think he's right.
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
If you wish to believe a lie rather than the truth then sobeit. I do not believe the Bible was written in English so your "The Latin just means light bearer" point is beyond stupid. The being identified as "light bearer" or "Lucifer" or whatever is the same being that led the rebellion that already happened and was mentioned in Revelation 12 and that being and the angels that followed him were cast out of heaven and that being is called, in English, Satan (which means the accuser) and the devil.
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
So? It's past tense. You think that means it happened in the past? It's prophecy. Prophecy is often given in the past tense. Lots of what the Book of Revelation says is going to happen in the future is presented in past tense in that book.
What about the fleeing of the woman into the wilderness. Do you think that already happened too?
The Devil's being cast out of Heaven in Revelation 12 is after his having had access to Heaven to accuse the brethren. These brethren are Christians.
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
I would encourage anyone with questions about Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 to consult any commentaries on the books of Isaiah and Ezekiel written by actual scholars of the Old Testament who understand the Hebrew language and have devoted their lives to the study of the Old Testament. You would be hard pressed to find any who think either passage is talking about Satan. They just interpret the details of those passages that people think must be about Satan as being figurative language, which is common in those books.
Of course they could be wrong. But you shouldn't say, "The Bible says X," when it's really just your interpretation of the Bible that says X.
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