Who said I was that? I just got here, and I'm already being attacked for voicing my opinion. Nice place.Originally Posted by Ender
Do you always refer to yourself in the third person?
Do you always talk in riddles?
Let's quote the whole thing:
You have 7 posts and you are already insulting the forum and members.Originally Posted by PoliPsy
The #NeverTrump alliance has outed itself as leftists willing to put Hillary in the White House. They would have more credibility if they were #NeverHillary.
Ender:
Stop with the If-You-Don't-Love-Trump-You're-A-SJW-Leftist-Hillary-Lover. No one here supports Hiltery- most of us are trying to figure out why so-called Liberty-Lovers are continually pushing the Trump-Meme.
And, if you're desperately in love with Trump, then try good dialog to persuade rather than insults and name-calling.
Again: IF you expect politeness, then start with yourself. I have had some pretty good dialog on this forum with people I don't agree with at all- BUT they know how to have a decent discussion and I highly respect them.
There is no spoon.
I just joined the forum so I'm a forum member too. Be specific. How did I insult you? Are you a #NeverTrump member or a leftist?
http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0810/15/sitroom.03.html
^^^Trump praising the $700 billion taxpayer financed bailout of Wall Street, wrought by Goldman Sachs CEO Hank Paulson.BLITZER: All right, Henry Paulson?
TRUMP: I would give him an A.
BLITZER: Really?
TRUMP: I would give him an A. And I know a lot of people are saying, oh, this and that.
But the fact is, he came into a mess. He didn't create the mess. And he is helping us get out of the mess.
^^^Trump praising the Fed's massive money printing during the recession (note that Trump's only complaint is that it didn't start sooner)BLITZER: The Federal Reserve chairman, Ben Bernanke, Ben B., as you call him.
TRUMP: I think that he has -- was a little bit late on the draw, but he has come around strongly. And I would give him a B-plus, a good strong B-plus.
Look, I mean, these people inherited a mess. And they weren't necessarily to blame for it. And they are trying to fix it. I would say that Ben was a little bit late. And, based on the lateness, but I am not sure there's -- if he was earlier, I am not sure that we would be in any different -- so, I would give him a B-plus.
Restrictions on imports designed to protect politically connected American manufacturers and unions from foreign competition.Can you define 'protectionism'?
Trump has proposed a 45% tax on imports from China.
He's against cutting social security or medicare, which together cost ~$1.5 trillion per year, about 40% of the total federal budget.He's against cutting social security if that is the entitlement you're talking about
^^^that means he's a big spending liberal
His immigration plan ("touchback") is to deport 10 million people, then let almost all of them back in legally, and give them green cards.but he's for reducing the strain on entitlements by deporting illegal immigrants which are heavy users of social programs that cost the taxpayers
The deportation itself will cost several hundred billion dollars, and the end result will be the status quo.
He says he'll make "great deals" to lower costs...He's for breaking the legalized plunder of the health insurance and Big Pharma industries which will reduce those costs
That's meaningless rhetoric.
In fact, he has been an ardent supporter of single-payer socialized medicine for many years, and still is if you can read between the lines.
A. He's in favor of using eminent domain to steal property and give it to private individuals (like himself, to build casinos, which he's done).Eminent domain? You don't like your interstate highways and energy distribution infrastructure?
B. You don't even need eminent domain for roads et al, but that's another debate..
Citations for everything I've said can be found in the Trump Opposition Research Thread.Your other points are weak when discussed in detail.
P.S. I nearly forgot...
That would not be an improvement.
The problem is the money printing itself, not whether it's printed by the treasury or a central bank.
Last edited by r3volution 3.0; 05-28-2016 at 09:19 PM.
There ya go- name calling and ASSuming.
I am a Liberty lover and believe in FREEDOM.
I support no current candidates.
There is no spoon.
How much of the forum have you read before registered?
“I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul
You have a good day there, Ender. Over and out.
Enough.
The terms "liberal" and "conservative" are jokes now anyway. They've been reduced to mere labels that you apply to the political party that Fox News or MSNBC tells you to hate. This is actually what attracted me to Ron Paul and the Libertarian party to begin with: the idea of formulating your political outlook one issue at a time instead of saying, "I'm a conservative, therefore I must feel a certain way about all these issues," and vice versa.
As for me, I'm very conservative when it comes to economic policy, am staunchly anti-war in all but the most dire need, and am about half and half when it comes to social issues. In some areas I think liberals are freaking nuts, and in other areas I think conservatives are.
As Ron Paul once put it, freedom brings people together, it doesn't divide us.
Last edited by A. Havnes; 05-29-2016 at 01:04 PM.
YES.
There is no spoon.
@Bryan, is this true? If not, then please correct this false information. If so, then please man up and admit it to the forum.
Saying nothing, or deleting my post, is a tacit admission, since you wouldn't be expected to let Peace&Freedom make this claim if it were false, once it was brought to your attention.
Yes, I have given him three +reps this year, they certainly have nothing to do with me agreeing with him on supporting Trump, not that he was he promoting Trump. Two were from the thread on the announcement were we were banning promoting Trump, the posts were just a discussion on the site policies. I +rep'ed him because I respected the way he was conducting himself in a non-ideal situation. I try to get along with all people, even when I don't agree with them politically.
The third +rep was a discussion / analysis of the Colorado primary situation, he was seeking answers and furthering positive dialog.
I do not support Trump. The site does not support Trump. We have policies that allow for discussion but not promoting Trump.
Hope this clears things up. Thanks.
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Members must read and follow our Community Guidelines.
I strive to respond to all queries; please excuse late and out-of-sequence responses.
Yet he rails on and on about the Chinese and their currency manipulation.
Hypocrisy much?
Wow, that comment was weeks ago and you're still touchy about it? So surreal around here. What are any of is doing here? Free will is an illusion. Life is a game that plays us.
-----Peace & Freedom, John Clifton-----
Blog: https://electclifton.wordpress.com/2...back-backlash/
In the mean time I was banned for standing up for the stated positions of this site against Trump supporters who were pushing statist proposals, one of whom is an admin here. Just today I got another infraction for merely expressing disagreement with how admins punish forum members for criticizing Trump supporters.
One admin, Bryan, the rest are mods. You were banned recently?
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Yes. Mea culpa on the difference between admin and mod. I was talking about Brian4Liberty.
Once again, you have gotten into trouble for misusing the site's position to confuse and conflate supporters of the Trump phenomenon with "promoting Trump," or using the policy to engage in endless attacks against him (and them) on anything and everything. My comments have focused on the outsider trend's net benefits for liberty, not on absolutist beratement of Trump or others. Perhaps if you took a "what would Paul do" constructive approach to addressing what the liberty movement should do in light of the events of 2008-16, you would fare better.
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Last edited by cajuncocoa; 07-19-2016 at 10:02 AM.
Some here (when speaking for or against Trump) have been constructive and centered on how to make the movement more successful, as Ron Paul would, and some have not. That approach to expressing oneself on the subject is what I meant by "what would Paul do?"
-----Peace & Freedom, John Clifton-----
Blog: https://electclifton.wordpress.com/2...back-backlash/
Actually, yes, while not perfect, we DID have 50 test tubes of republics. However, over time we allowed this concept and the principles embodied in our Constitution, to be chipped away by those wanting power who did not want their power to be limited by these principles. Sadly, the citizenry did not listen to our forebears who warned us that to keep a republic, we must stay knowledgeable about the issues and vigilant. And thus, here we are.So do you.
Ex: What is this Constitutional Republic you speak of? We've never had one. The Constitution was a Hamiltonian Coup by those white guys to make a powerful central government- worked pretty good, I would say.
As for hate crimes, it is now a hate crime to disrespect police in Louisiana- soon to spread across the US of A.
FREEDOM!
Sadly, there are some who, knowingly or no, who are hell bent on helping those in power achieve their agenda and hand over any semblance of liberty we still have to those who have been tearing us down for many, many years. And that is the saddest thing of all.
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I am taking a "what would Paul do" approach. In fact, I am doing the same thing Ron Paul is doing. You are going directly against that.
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