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    University of Missouri: Asking Girls Out Might Be Sexual Harassment

    A graduate student at the University of Missouri is suing the institution after he was suspended from the campus for four years for what the university considers sexual harassment.
    Former University of Missouri graduate student Jeremy Rowles, an African American who was pursuing a Ph.D. in Cultural Anthropology, was expelled from the school for a period of four years after the university’s Title IX board determined that he sexually harassed a woman when repeatedly asking her out on dates.
    Rowles met the woman, Annalise Breux, an undergraduate student at the University of Missouri, in the university’s cafe, and eventually enrolled in a dancing class taught by Breux. Rowles asked Breux out, and misunderstood her reply to mean she may be interested in him at a later time. After receiving a Facebook message from Breux, explaining that she was not romantically interested in Rowles, he agreed to stop communicating with her outside of the dancing class and cafe, but continued to pursue Breux romantically.
    The matter was eventually investigated by the university, which found that Rowles was guilty of sexually harassment and stalking Breux, and expelled Rowles from the university for four years. Rowles proceeded to appeal the decision, and while the university maintained that the original judgment was correct, Rowles’ expulsion was reduced from four years to two.


    Rowles then proceeded to file a lawsuit to reverse the decision, leading to shocking claims from the university’s Title IX enforcement staff regarding the organization’s rules and their interpretation coming out in discovery, with the question of whether asking a fellow student on a date could be considered sexual harassment among the most disconcerting.

    One university official was asked by Rowles’ attorney whether the university would consider “a date an unwanted sexual advance,” and the official replied that if they “keep turning him down and he keeps asking,” then they would consider it potential sexual harassment.
    In another exchange, one university official claimed that even though Rowles and Breux were both students with no professional or academic authority over one another, Rowles may have had power and authority over Breux simply because of “his physical size,” while other officials suggested that Rowles held no power over Breux.
    Most concerning, during the disposition it was revealed that the university’s own Title IX office would likely not have been able to help Rowles learn the definitions he might have needed to avoid this situation, with one Title IX official telling lawyers they “don’t know” what answer would have been provided, also do not know if another Title IX official might have provided another, contradictory answer.
    Rowles’ lawyer maintains that the language used in Rowles’ communications were not harassment, and are protected under the First Amendment.

    More at: https://bigleaguepolitics.com/univer...al-harassment/
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    How many times does a woman has to say no to your advances for a man to move on? The articles says the man repeatedly asked this lady out on a date. I think 2 to 3 times is reasonable. Call me old fashion, but I think after 3, I think that could be considered sexual harassment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    How many times does a woman has to say no to your advances for a man to move on? The articles says the man repeatedly asked this lady out on a date. I think 2 to 3 times is reasonable. Call me old fashion, but I think after 3, I think that could be considered sexual harassment.
    It's NOT sexual harassment, it might be ordinary harassment but it is NOT sexual harassment, words have meanings, please don't help the left destroy the English language in pursuit of total power to destroy anyone.

    This is also a slippery slope, how long will it be before it is considered sexual harassment the first time if the girl decides to feel that way about it?
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    Political correctness/ politeness run amok...

    The broad should feel comfortable telling him to get lost, instead the pretty lil' southern white girl doesn't want to offend the big scary black man, she might be thought insensitive or even, gasp, not racially tolerant...

    Then the guy...........Who feels that he's well within his 'rights' to persist in pestering Ms. Breux because most folks are scared to call him on his $#@!.

    Now there's an article and a law suit surrounding this P/C bull$#@! because she did as she was taught, run-n-tell instead of handling it like a grown-up...

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    Former University of Missouri graduate student Jeremy Rowles, an African American who was pursuing a Ph.D. in Cultural Anthropology
    Ya, whatever, I don't give a $#@!.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Ya, whatever, I don't give a $#@!.
    Annalise Breux



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    Wow, someone found out no means no.
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    With all this silliness, the only ones making out like bandits are the lawyers.
    ...

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    Guess guys are supposed to wait till the women ask them out.....


    Oh... would that be sexual harassment too?

    Guess folks aren't supposed to go out anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rothbardian Girl View Post
    Wow, someone found out no means no.
    If only so many women didn't play "hard to get".

    I personally think the guy is a jerk but "Sexual" Harassment it isn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    Guess folks aren't supposed to go out anymore.
    Now you got it.

    Our rulers said they were going to greatly reduce the birthrate.

    We just guessed wrong about the methodology...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    If only so many women didn't play "hard to get".

    I personally think the guy is a jerk but "Sexual" Harassment it isn't.
    I looked up the ages of the people involved and let's just put it this way, most women aren't playing "hard to get" with someone twice their age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Now you got it.

    Our rulers said they were going to greatly reduce the birthrate.

    We just guessed wrong about the methodology...
    Well, I do remember one time I asked a girl out and she told me her parents had already prearranged for her to marry a doctor. I then told her, not to flatter herself, I hadn't come over to propose to her.

    She was from Cuba and I guess that's how they do things over there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Now you got it.

    Our rulers said they were going to greatly reduce the birthrate.

    We just guessed wrong about the methodology...
    Death by Feminism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rothbardian Girl View Post
    I looked up the ages of the people involved and let's just put it this way, most women aren't playing "hard to get" with someone twice their age.
    Don't get me wrong, I'm on her side, until the "Sexual Harassment" charges get filed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It's NOT sexual harassment, it might be ordinary harassment but it is NOT sexual harassment, words have meanings, please don't help the left destroy the English language in pursuit of total power to destroy anyone.

    This is also a slippery slope, how long will it be before it is considered sexual harassment the first time if the girl decides to feel that way about it?
    Its harassment of a sexual nature. It is sexual harassment, he got caught and he was expelled. I know that some of these schools can go extremely protective of women with title IX enforcement but this isn't it.

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    So if a straight guy asked another straight guy to go to dinner, would that be sexual harassment?

    Is there a problem with friendship now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Its harassment of a sexual nature. It is sexual harassment, he got caught and he was expelled. I know that some of these schools can go extremely protective of women with title IX enforcement but this isn't it.
    It isn't of a sexual nature, there is a difference between going on a date and going to bed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    So if a straight guy asked another straight guy to go to dinner, would that be sexual harassment?

    Is there a problem with friendship now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It isn't of a sexual nature, there is a difference between going on a date and going to bed.
    That seems to be the problem. Anymore, women seem to think you are asking them to have sex when you ask them out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    Guess guys are supposed to wait till the women ask them out.....


    Oh... would that be sexual harassment too?

    Guess folks aren't supposed to go out anymore.
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    That university has problems .
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    That seems to be the problem. Anymore, women seem to think you are asking them to have sex when you ask them out.
    It's part of the campaign to convince them that all men are sex predators.

    It is also the result of the destruction of public morality, they are too often right, Che seems to think that there isn't a difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It's part of the campaign to convince them that all men are sex predators.

    It is also the result of the destruction of public morality, they are too often right, Che seems to think that there isn't a difference.
    It's a shame isn't it?

    Ask a girl out on a date to get to know her better and she automatically thinks you want to take her to bed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Its harassment of a sexual nature. It is sexual harassment, he got caught and he was expelled. I know that some of these schools can go extremely protective of women with title IX enforcement but this isn't it.
    I skimmed the lawsuit for the juicy bits and I don't think he meant to harass her. Her responses were vague and she admitted that she didn't think he was dangerous but that he wasn't picking up on her social cues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    It's a shame isn't it?

    Ask a girl out on a date to get to know her better and she automatically thinks you want to take her to bed.
    It is a shame.
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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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