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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by Son_of_Liberty90 View Post
    So, to commemmorate this "March for our Lives" event, I have become a member of the NRA, GOA, JPFO (Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership), and the 2nd Amendment Foundation.
    The best form of firearm membership is buying more firearms, ammunition and the means and ability to make ammunition, IMHO. If these three things are well in hand then the $100 dollars per year for these four organizations might be considered to be well spent.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Son_of_Liberty90 View Post
    So, to commemmorate this "March for our Lives" event, I have become a member of the NRA, GOA, JPFO (Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership), and the 2nd Amendment Foundation.
    JPFO? That's a good movie:


  4. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    The best form of firearm membership is buying more firearms, ammunition and the means and ability to make ammunition, IMHO. If these three things are well in hand then the $100 dollars per year for these four organizations might be considered to be well spent.
    Unfortunately that is not financially feasible for me at the moment. If you can't afford firearms should you buy ammo anyway? Is sig sauer ammo good?
    Last edited by Son_of_Liberty90; 03-24-2018 at 09:16 PM.

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    As long as you keep your gun clean between use, buy cheap ammo.



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    Quote Originally Posted by sdsubball23 View Post
    One of the sentiments I would think these gun control advocates have is that guns make it much easier to kill people in mass quantities than a knife or other non-gun weapon.

    How do you guys respond to that?

    The gun control advocates demonize the gun as only made for killing. The best argument is to turn it around and say it also defends and protects a lot more lives than it kills. Self defense is a right and the gun control advocate will not debate that but put the argument on the gun not the role as a tool it plays. It is a superior self defense tool because it is easy to use for people that would be at a physical disadvantage with only a knife or non gun weapon.
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    It was only a matter of time before someone edited the audio. lol


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    Quote Originally Posted by Son_of_Liberty90 View Post
    Unfortunately that is not financially feasible for me at the moment. If you can't afford firearms should you buy ammo anyway? Is sig sauer ammo good?
    @Son_of_Liberty90

    I'm not sure Sig makes ammo, only very high quality guns.

    If you want to buy ammo, cheap surplus in common calibers can always be of use i.e. 5.56 x 45mm - 7.62 x 39mm - 7.62 x 51mm - 9 x 19mm - .40 S & W - .45 ACP.

    That said, even on a limited budget, you could score a decent used .22 rifle or pump 12 gauge shotgun for $100-200.

    For instance: http://www.unclehenrys.com/search/Guns
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 03-25-2018 at 03:36 AM.

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    While others march, these teens shoot. At targets.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/others-ma...013605594.html



    EATONTON GA – Nearly four dozen high school students gathered at the Rock Eagle 4-H Conference Center here on Saturday, at about the same time that another group of high school students gathered on an outdoor stage in Washington DC.

    Those at the DC rally had come to demand gun control. Those here in Eatonton had come to do some shooting.

    This .22 Rimfire Silhouette Exhibition Match had been scheduled long before 17 people were killed at the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., and therefore long before the survivors of that rampage had sparked a national protest movement. But even if this day-long test of marksmanship wasn’t deliberate counterprogramming, it did provide an illuminating counterpoint.

    <snip>

    That’s news to Josh, who says even though he is homeschooled, and therefore doesn’t have experience with the active shooter drills he hears described by his friends, he still spends plenty of time in public spaces but does not go through his days afraid. “I live with my two parents,” both of whom own guns and “know how to keep me safe,” he says. “And soon when I turn 18 I will have a carry permit and keep myself safe.”
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  11. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by sdsubball23 View Post
    One of the sentiments I would think these gun control advocates have is that guns make it much easier to kill people in mass quantities than a knife or other non-gun weapon.

    How do you guys respond to that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by seapilot View Post
    The gun control advocates demonize the gun as only made for killing. The best argument is to turn it around and say it also defends and protects a lot more lives than it kills. Self defense is a right and the gun control advocate will not debate that but put the argument on the gun not the role as a tool it plays. It is a superior self defense tool because it is easy to use for people that would be at a physical disadvantage with only a knife or non gun weapon.
    Without the gun, whatever warlord happened to want your property today could claim it. The gun has always been demonized* for it's particular application: killing made easier. Peasants could harass invading armies 'foraging' off their lord's land. They could protect their loved ones and share of the crop from burdensome tax with little or no training. They could put food on the table when the season was horrible. The last few points might seem quaint and anachronistic (for now), but the one and most important use of the gun remains killing quickly and easily.

    State goons can't take life or property as freely, while the nation they oppress is strapped to the nines. Its up to individuals to be ready and willing to turn their sights on the State and to stay organized, if they wish to remain equal to the State and not regress to low peasants. Can the average anti-gun nut afford the cost of protection their handlers pay for 24 hour security? Taking your liberty with your 2nd Amendment responsibility by remaining chattel defers your power to others: the killer, the thief, the State. You have no voice of your own now, but what movement, financier, or State will allow.

    So I agree, the gun is for killing en masse - maintaining the promise of consequences for unjust laws and their enforcement. The only weapons gap I'm concerned about closing is that between citizens and the State. Its on you to defend yourselves from both the psycho, the thief, and also the State - especially when the thieves and psychos sit in the State. When a people love life more than liberty, they lose both.

    *The spirit of the argument for disarming free peoples hasn't changed across time or seas. The gun has always been a weapon of mass killing. You can embrace the responsibility, or just count on luck to save you the trouble, but I'll be damned if I plan my own life around your luck.
    Last edited by Raginfridus; 03-25-2018 at 06:53 AM. Reason: The gun is harnessed fire, and all that implies. You can be afraid, and live in terror or fantasy, or you can strap up.

  13. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    Without the gun, whatever warlord happened to want your property today could claim it. The gun has always been demonized* for it's particular application: killing made easier. Peasants could harass invading armies 'foraging' off their lord's land. They could protect their loved ones and share of the crop from burdensome tax with little or no training. They could put food on the table when the season was horrible. The last few points might seem quaint and anachronistic (for now), but the one and most important use of the gun remains killing quickly and easily.

    State goons can't take life or property as freely, while the nation they oppress is strapped to the nines. Its up to individuals to be ready and and willing to turn their sights on the State and to stay organized, if they wish to remain equal to the State and not regress to low peasants.

    So I agree, the gun is for killing en masse - maintaining the promise of consequences for unjust laws and their enforcement. The only weapons gap I'm concerned about closing is that between citizens and the State. Its on you to defend yourselves from both the psycho, the thief, and the State - especially when the thieves and psychos sit in the State. When a people love life more than liberty, they lose both.

    *The spirit of the argument for disarming free peoples hasn't changed across time or seas. The gun has always been a weapon of mass killing. You can embrace the responsibility, or just count on luck to save you the trouble, but I'll be damned if I plan my own life around your luck.
    Yes, that. +rep

  14. #72
    High School student with common sense!

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    Switzerland has a stunningly high rate of gun ownership — here's why it doesn't have mass shootings

    https://www.sfgate.com/technology/bu...n-12709383.php

    Hilary Brueck

    Published 4:57 pm, Saturday, March 24, 2018

    The country has about 2 million privately owned guns in a nation of 8.3 million people. In 2016, the country had 47 homicides with firearms. The country's overall murder rate is near zero.

    (The overall violent crime rate in the US is due to the 800 lb. gorilla in the room nobody wants to talk about. - AF)

    The National Rifle Association often points to Switzerland to argue that more rules on gun ownership aren't necessary. In 2016, the NRA said on its blog that the European country had one of the lowest murder rates in the world while still having millions of privately owned guns and a few hunting weapons that don't even require a permit.

    But the Swiss have some specific rules and regulations for gun use.

    Switzerland is obsessed with getting shooting right. Every year, it holds a shooting contest for kids aged 13 to 17.

    Zurich's Knabenschiessen is a traditional annual festival that dates back to the 1600s.

    Though the word roughly translates to "boys shooting" and the competition used to be only boys, teenage girls have been allowed in since 1991.

    Kids in the country flock to the competition every September to compete in target shooting using Swiss army service rifles. They're proud to show off how well they can shoot.

    Accuracy is prized above all else, and a Schutzenkonig — a king or queen of marksmen — is crowned.

    Having an armed citizenry helped keep the Swiss neutral for more than 200 years.

    The Swiss stance is one of "armed neutrality."

    Switzerland hasn't taken part in any international armed conflict since 1815, but some Swiss soldiers help with peacekeeping missions around the world.

    Many Swiss see gun ownership as part of a patriotic duty to protect their homeland.

    Most Swiss men are required to learn how to use a gun.

    Unlike the US, Switzerland has mandatory military service for men.

    All men between the ages of 18 and 34 deemed "fit for service" are given a pistol or a rifle and trained.

    After they've finished their service, the men can typically buy and keep their service weapons, but they have to get a permit for them.

    In recent years, the Swiss government has voted to reduce the size of the country's armed forces.

  17. #74
    But the Swiss have some specific rules and regulations for gun use.
    None of which would stop a mass shooter.

    They have a country that is consistently listed as one of the best, most free, places to live in the world.

    The Bolsheviks and Marxists are doing everything they can to destroy it though.

    I'm sure they will be successful given enough time.

  18. #75
    One of the items on their legislative wish list is to raise the age of purchasing any gun to 21.

    So apparently they are saying they’re not responsible enough to own a weapon for their own self defense. But then somehow they’re responsible enough to know what’s best for everyone else???

    Their arguments are so easy to refute that at some point you’d think they’d realize that they’re just regurgitating their indoctrination. But our media loves the regurgitation so the easy questions never get asked.
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  19. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    None of which would stop a mass shooter.

    They have a country that is consistently listed as one of the best, most free, places to live in the world.

    The Bolsheviks and Marxists are doing everything they can to destroy it though.

    I'm sure they will be successful given enough time.
    I agree. I think gun control is more of a symptom of socialism, not the cause of it. Unlimited democracy is the root cause, in my opinion.

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    On September 13, 1994, the Federal Assault Weapons Ban went into effect. A Washington Post editorial published two days later was candid about the ban's real purpose:

    [N]o one should have any illusions about what was accomplished [by the ban]. Assault weapons play a part in only a small percentage of crime. The provision is mainly symbolic; its virtue will be if it turns out to be, as hoped, a stepping stone to broader gun control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    I agree. I think gun control is more of a symptom of socialism, not the cause of it. Unlimited democracy is the root cause, in my opinion.
    The cultural malaise and depression that collectivism and cultural Marxism causes, yes, this can drive on the edge people right over the edge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    High School student with common sense!

    Smart, well-spoken kid.

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    10. Do unto others as you would have them do to you.

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    I like this man immensely. Love the shirt too.


  26. #82
    Here's their manifesto. Basically a gun grabbers wet dream.


    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ricas-gun-laws

    After the massacre at our high school, our lives have changed forever – so we’re proposing these changes to halt mass shootings
    March for Our Lives – live updates
    by Editorial staff of the Eagle Eye
    Fri 23 Mar 2018 01.00 EDT
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    s a student publication, the Eagle Eye works to tell the stories of those who do not have a voice. Today, we are the ones who feel our voice must be elevated.
    In the wake of the tragedy that occurred at our school on 14 February at Marjory Stoneman Douglas, our lives have changed beyond what we ever imagined. We, along with our publication, have been transformed. We will remain so for the rest of our lives.

    We have a unique platform not only as student journalists, but also as survivors of a mass shooting. We are firsthand witnesses to the kind of devastation that gross incompetence and political inaction can produce. We cannot stand idly by as the country continues to be infected by a plague of gun violence that seeps into community after community, and does irreparable damage to the hearts and minds of the American people.
    That’s why the Eagle Eye has come together and proposed these following changes to gun policy. We believe federal and state governments must put these in place to ensure that mass shootings and gun violence cease to be a staple of American culture.
    We will be marching this Saturday, 24 March, for those that we loved and lost, and we write this in the hope that no other community or publication will ever have to do the same.
    The changes we propose:

    Ban semi-automatic weapons that fire high-velocity rounds
    Civilians shouldn’t have access to the same weapons that soldiers do. That’s a gross misuse of the second amendment.
    These weapons were designed for dealing death: not to animals or targets, but to other human beings. The fact that they can be bought by the public does not promote domestic tranquility. Rather, their availability puts us into the kind of danger faced by men and women trapped in war zones.
    This situation reflects a failure of our government. It must be corrected to ensure the safety of those guaranteed the rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

    Ban accessories that simulate automatic weapons
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    High-capacity magazines played a huge role in the shooting at our school. In only 10 minutes, 17 people were killed, and 17 others were injured. This is unacceptable.
    That’s why we believe that bump stocks, high-capacity magazines and similar accessories that simulate the effect of military-grade automatic weapons should be banned.
    In the 2017 shooting in Las Vegas, 58 people were killed and 851 others were injured. The gunman’s use of bump stocks enabled vast numbers of people to be hurt while gathered in one of the most iconic cities in America. If it can happen there, it can happen anywhere. That’s why action must be taken to take these accessories off the market.

    Establish a database of gun sales and universal background checks
    We believe that there should be a database recording which guns are sold in the United States, to whom, and of what caliber and capacity they are.

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    Just as the department of motor vehicles has a database of license plates and car owners, the Department of Defense should have a database of gun serial numbers and gun owners. This data should be paired with infractions of gun laws, past criminal offenses and the status of the gun owner’s mental health and physical capability.
    Together with universal background checks, this system would help law enforcement stop a potentially dangerous person before they commit a gun crime.

    Change privacy laws to allow mental healthcare providers to communicate with law enforcement
    As seen in the tragedy at our school, poor communication between mental healthcare providers and law enforcement may have contributed to a disturbed person with murderous tendencies and intentions entering a school and gunning down 17 people in cold blood.
    We must improve this channel of communication. To do so, privacy laws should be amended. That will allow us to prevent people who are a danger to themselves or to others from purchasing firearms. That could help prevent tragedies such as the Parkland massacre.

    Close gun show and secondhand sales loopholes
    Thanks to loopholes, people who otherwise wouldn’t be able to buy firearms are able to purchase them at gun shows and secondhand sales. The existence of these loopholes reflects the ineptitude of state and federal legislators.
    If we are serious about preventing people from purchasing deadly weapons, we must monitor sales that take place at gun shows and on secondhand markets. This is especially urgent given the danger posed by mentally unstable and violent individuals armed with firearms.
    Allow the CDC to make recommendations for gun reform
    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention should be allowed to conduct research on the dangers of gun violence. The fact that they are currently prohibited from doing so undermines the first amendment. It also violates the rights of the American people.
    It is hypocritical to rally people to protect the second amendment, while remaining silent on the ways that blocking research violates one of our most basic constitutional freedoms.

    Raise the firearm purchase age to 21
    In a few months from now, many of us will be turning 18. We will not be able to drink; we will not be able to rent a car. Most of us will still be living with our parents. We will not be able to purchase a handgun. And yet, we will be able to purchase an AR-15.
    Why is it that we will be able to legally obtain a weapon that has the ability to fire over 150 rounds and kill 17 people in about six minutes? That is unacceptable. It makes no sense that to buy a handgun, you have to be 21, but a gun of mass destruction and devastation like the AR-15 can be purchased when one is just becoming an adult.
    With the exception of those who are serving the United States in the military, the age to obtain any firearm must be raised to 21.



    Dedicate more funds to mental health research and professionals
    Federal and state government should earmark more funds specifically for mental health services. Those with mental health issues, especially those who express aggressive, violent, suicidal and/or homicidal thoughts should have the opportunity to receive the help they need regardless of their economic status.
    Schools specifically should receive more funds in order to hire more psychologists and guidance counselors who can aid students suffering from PTSD, depression and other debilitating mental illnesses.
    Many of those who commit mass shootings suffer from these kinds of illnesses. It is essential that more funds be dedicated to mental health research.

    Increase funding for school security
    We believe that schools should be given sufficient funds for school security and resource officers to protect and secure the entire campus. As a school of over 3,000 students, teachers and faculty, Marjory Stoneman Douglas high school was only supplied funds to hire one on-campus armed resource officer by the state.
    Without backup, this officer’s hesitation proved to be disastrous and allowed for the senseless deaths of people who were killed on the third floor of the 1200 building.
    Though this idea has been proposed in the past, these funds should not be appropriated from the already scarce funding for public education. Governments should find resources to secure the millions of children that attend public schools without taking away from the quality of education that is offered at these institutions.

    Before entertaining the idea of "just enforce the laws on the books" especially states with AWB's, this lady (AG) did exactly that after she reinterpreted it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tommyrp12 View Post
    Here's their manifesto. Basically a gun grabbers wet dream.


    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ricas-gun-laws



    Dedicate more funds to mental health research and professionals
    Federal and state government should earmark more funds specifically for mental health services. Those with mental health issues, especially those who express aggressive, violent, suicidal and/or homicidal thoughts should have the opportunity to receive the help they need regardless of their economic status.
    Schools specifically should receive more funds in order to hire more psychologists and guidance counselors who can aid students suffering from PTSD, depression and other debilitating mental illnesses.
    Many of those who commit mass shootings suffer from these kinds of illnesses. It is essential that more funds be dedicated to mental health research.
    "More slush for Big Pharma"

    Now you see...

  28. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    I agree. I think gun control is more of a symptom of socialism, not the cause of it. Unlimited democracy is the root cause, in my opinion.
    Authoritarianism is the Root.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    I think this ignorance disqualifies them from the debate.

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  30. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    None of which would stop a mass shooter.

    They have a country that is consistently listed as one of the best, most free, places to live in the world.

    The Bolsheviks and Marxists are doing everything they can to destroy it though.

    I'm sure they will be successful given enough time.
    They also have a more homogenous culture than the US. I know that's politically incorrect to point out. There's much less demographic tension in Switzerland than here in the US.
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    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
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    I part ways with "libertarianism" when it transitions from ideology grounded in logic into self-defeating autism for the sake of ideological purity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    "More slush for Big Pharma"

    Now you see...
    Not only that, it will have the opposite effect. They won't seek help because the point is to disarm them.

    Schools specifically should receive more funds in order to hire more psychologists and guidance counselors who can aid students suffering
    Read as diagnose every kid with something and then rat them out.

  32. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    Didn't this guy endorse Bernie Sanders, a guy who supports gun control?



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  34. #89
    It is for the children.



    FLASHBACK: Hitler Also Used Children to Promote Gun Control
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018...e-gun-control/
    “These boys and girls enter our organizations [at] ten years of age, and often for the first time get a little fresh air; after four years of the Young Folk they go on to the Hitler Youth, where we have them for another four years . . . And even if they are still not complete National Socialists, they go to Labor Service and are smoothed out there for another six, seven months . . . And whatever class consciousness or social status might still be left . . . the Wehrmacht [German armed forces] will take care of that.”
    —Adolf Hitler (1938)

  35. #90
    The whole magazine limitation is a retarded debate anyway:



    I know liberals like to think that time just stops when someone has to reload and there's time to go make coffee and take a $#@! and come back before the shooter continues his rampage, but yeah, I get so tired of the 'high-cap magazine' debate.
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
    T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men

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    I part ways with "libertarianism" when it transitions from ideology grounded in logic into self-defeating autism for the sake of ideological purity.

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