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  1. #361
    Apparently the Pentagon "talks tough" to its allies concerning war crimes and human rights issues only after a mass civilian casualty event makes world headlines.
    Such is the case after a Saudi coalition airstrike took out a school bus in northern Yemen earlier this month, killing 40 children and wounding many more, which momentarily drew the attention of Congressional leaders and celebrities alike to what's long been dubbed "the forgotten war".

    CNN reports late in the day Monday that the Pentagon has delivered an official warning to Saudi Arabia, saying the US is poised to withdraw intelligence, military, and logistical support for the coalition war against Houthi rebels in Yemen:
    The Pentagon has issued a warning to Saudi Arabia that it is prepared to reduce military and intelligence support for its campaign against rebels in neighboring Yemen if the Saudis don't demonstrate they are attempting to limit civilian deaths in airstrikes following a strike on a school bus that killed 40 children earlier this month, CNN has learned.
    And just how outraged are Pentagon officials over the confirmed deaths of 40 children and prior bombings of hospitals and funeral gatherings?
    Apparently US officials are merely "concerned" and say that "frustration is rising".
    CNN continues:
    Two officials directly familiar with the Pentagon's thinking tell CNN frustration is rising. Defense Secretary James Mattis and General Joseph Votel, head of US military operations in the Middle East, are particularly concerned that the US is supporting a Saudi-led campaign of airstrikes that have killed large numbers of civilians.
    This mere "concern" comes after it's long been known that the Pentagon provides direct targeting and intelligence support to Saudi coalition operations in Yemen since 2015.
    Perhaps the central irony to CNN's reporting is that it acknowledges the Pentagon's direct role in the war as a lead part of the coalition while simultaneously pretending the US magically becomes a mere passive observer the moment American-made jets use American-supplied laser guided bombs to obliterate a school bus full of kids.
    The below is CNN's actual commentary (and not The Onion):
    But after a series of recent strikes in which large numbers of civilians were killed, the Pentagon, as well as the State Department, have now delivered direct messages to the Saudis about limiting civilian casualties. "At what point is enough enough?" one official remarked to CNN.
    The Saudis must be shaking their boots over such determined and hard-nosed "warnings" from the very officials sharing the trenches with Saudi and UAE commanders executing the war.
    Secretary of Defense Mattis reportedly sent a top general meet with the Saudis after the August 9 attack on the school bus. Lt Cmdr Rebecca Rebarich, a DOD spokeswoman told CNN of that visit: "Recent events dictated to US military leaders that the situation required special mention and official emphasis during his visit."

    More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...ian-casualties
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  3. #362
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Did it ever occur to him that those shivers might be shivers of hate rather than fear?
    SA may end up creating its own "IRA".
    I've thought about that actually, but the way I see it is probably different than your intention with this comment...

    When I looked at how the CIA and Pentagon got Pol Pot in power in Cambodia this was in a way done by dropping bombs. With each bomb dropped on Cambodia, the Khmer Rouge became more popular.
    With each bomb the "coalition" drops, the Houthis become more popular in Yemen. This could explain that the attack on Hodeidah wasn't successful...
    I still believe that the Houthis are for "real" though, fighting against the genocidal "coalition". Fighting against "evil" doesn't necessarily make them "good" though.

    Following on the IRA...
    According to information I found the IRA was (is) actually working for British secret intelligence (just like the House of Saud and Ayatollah Khomeini):
    https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/half-of-all-top-ira-men-worked-for-security-services-28694353.html
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  4. #363
    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    I've thought about that actually, but the way I see it is probably different than your intention with this comment...

    When I looked at how the CIA and Pentagon got Pol Pot in power in Cambodia this was in a way done by dropping bombs. With each bomb dropped on Cambodia, the Khmer Rouge became more popular.
    With each bomb the "coalition" drops, the Houthis become more popular in Yemen. This could explain that the attack on Hodeidah wasn't successful...

    A definite possibility but I doubt it in this case.

    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    I still believe that the Houthis are for "real" though, fighting against the genocidal "coalition". Fighting against "evil" doesn't necessarily make them "good" though.

    I very rarely expect anyone to be the "good guy", the best you can usually find is a better guy and often all you can find is a least bad guy.


    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    Following on the IRA...
    According to information I found the IRA was (is) actually working for British secret intelligence (just like the House of Saud and Ayatollah Khomeini):
    I have no doubt that part or even most of the IRA are/were controlled opposition but a significant portion is/was sincere. (Note: I don't consider the IRA to be a "good guy" either, they always had way to much socialism/communism in their ideology)


    My only point is that SA may be creating a worse problem for themselves than the one they were trying to solve.
    Last edited by Swordsmyth; 08-29-2018 at 12:31 PM.
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  5. #364
    One of the leading firms in the Turkish defense industry, Roketsan, set a record with world’s largest rocket artillery, capable of launching hundreds of rockets in 2 minutes from a single military vehicle, the company announced on Saturday.

    Jobaria, a Multiple Cradle Launcher (MCL), was developed by Roketsan for the United Arab Emirates (UAE), has achieved legend status with Guinness World Records for the world’s largest rocket artillery in terms of the number of barrels, the company said in a statement sent to journalists.
    ROKETSAN, Guinness Rekorlar Kitabı'na girdi
    .
    ROKETSAN'ın Birleşik Arap Emirlikleri için ürettiği Jobaria Çok Kundaklı Lançer, "namlu sayısı bakımından dünyanın en büyük roket topçusu" olarak Guinness Rekorlar Kitabı'na girdi.
    .#savunmasanayi #teknoloji #roketsan #donanımhaber pic.twitter.com/b2fQrejuog
    — DonanımHaber (@donanimhaber) August 28, 2018
    The UAE requested the large rocket artillery battery on one vehicle since its military is phasing out the older, BM-21 Grads, a Soviet truck-mounted 122 mm multiple rocket launcher.
    The MCL has a significant advantage over the BM-21 Grads; it replaces the use of six launcher vehicles which require a team of over 30 troops, whereas the MCL only needs a group of three to operate and launch the same number of rockets (240).
    #ROKETSAN tarafından Birleşik Arap Emirlikleri için geliştirilen Jobaria Çok Kundaklı Lançer, "namlu sayısı bakımından dünyanın en büyük roket topçusu" olarak Guinness Rekorlar Kitabı'nda yerini aldı. pic.twitter.com/xYgRRtnmDv
    — EHA MEDYA (@eha_medya) August 26, 2018
    The system has four rocket launchers attached to the trailer each carrying sixty 122mm rockets. It can fire 240 Roketsan 122mm T-122 Sakarya rockets fitted with a high-explosive warhead at targets with a maximum range of around 37 kilometers (23 miles). All missiles can be fired in under two minutes, making the rate of fire two rounds per second. After launching the rockets, a support team can reload the missile system in about 30 minutes.
    Established in 1988, Roketsan started production in 1992 under the program of the “Stinger European Joint Production Project.” In the last several decades, the firm has manufactured air defense systems, precision-guided missiles, ballistic protection solutions, and an array of turnkey land systems.
    While it is still unclear why the UAE would need the world’s most massive rocket launcher, perhaps, the missile system may find a new home in the Saudi-led alliance against Yemen. There is also another possibility the country is gearing up for conflict in the Strait of Hormuz, as Washington and Tehran bicker over who controls the strait between the Persian Gulf and the Gulf of Oman. In any case, war is coming, and the world’s largest rocket launcher will be used.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...jobaria-turkey
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  7. #366

    Exclamation FUKUS - Jobaria, a Multiple Cradle Launcher (MCL), was developed by Roketsan

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  8. #367
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    My only point is that SA may be creating a worse problem for themselves than the one they were trying to solve.
    If the Houthis are really “evil” I wouldn’t expect the media blackout on Yemen, but instead lots of stories to justify the war.
    I don’t know enough about the Houthis to know for sure, but for arguments sake, lets assume that they are “good”...

    As we speak: British, American, Israeli Intelligence (that are so intertwined that it’s hard to tell the difference) are working hard to infiltrate the Houthi movement. The moment they have succeeded in taking over the Houthis, they will stage some protests against the war in Yemen, and then have the UN decide that Yemen will (again) be divided in South and North Yemen (more like East and West by the way); the Houthis will get North Yemen...

    Then the Houthis, controlled by British Intelligence will show themselves to be as evil as the drug trafficking Taliban.
    This in retrospect will justify (the support from the US and Britain for) the war against Yemen and will even make the arm companies look good.

    If the Houthis are already “evil” (they don’t even have to be “controlled opposition”) the scenario would be even easier!
    So the supposed “problem” that you see that Saudi Arabia might be “creating” would be the “best” scenario for the Order of the Garter...
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  9. #368
    On Tuesday, a UN panel with “human rights” experts released a report on the war in Yemen.
    It was reported that air strikes by the “coalition” have caused heavy civilian casualties and some “may” amount to war crimes:
    Coalition air strikes have caused most of the documented civilian casualties. In the past three years, such air strikes have hit residential areas, markets, funerals, weddings, detention facilities, civilian boats and even medical facilities.
    The coalition has effectively blocked Red Sea ports and Sanaa airport, depriving Yemenis of “vital supplies”, which “may” also constitute international crimes.
    The panel said its “investigation” of 11 incidents raised “serious concerns” about the coalition’s targeting process.
    No need to report on targeting: farm land, and drinking water and energy facilities…

    United Arab Emirates (UAE) mercenaries have raped detainees and migrants.
    UAE Minister Anwar Gargash said that they will reply to the report, and added that the region needs to be preserved from “Iranian encroachment”.

    The experts didn’t investigate the role of the US and Britain, who supply weapons and intelligence to the “coalition”. They “urged” all states to restrict arms sales (“urging” will surely make them all terrified).
    US Secretary of Defence James "Mad Dog" Mattis told reporters that the US goal is to bring warring parties to the negotiating table and “keep the human cost of innocents being killed accidentally to the absolute minimum”.
    No need to prevent the deliberate starvation…

    The experts’ panel also accused the “rebel” Houthis of war crimes, like firing missiles into Saudi Arabia, shelling the Yemeni city of Taiz and deploying child soldiers.
    Reuters didn’t give the Houthis the chance to respond to this article: https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-ye...-idUKKCN1LD0L9
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  11. #369
    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    If the Houthis are really “evil” I wouldn’t expect the media blackout on Yemen, but instead lots of stories to justify the war.
    I don’t know enough about the Houthis to know for sure, but for arguments sake, lets assume that they are “good”...

    As we speak: British, American, Israeli Intelligence (that are so intertwined that it’s hard to tell the difference) are working hard to infiltrate the Houthi movement. The moment they have succeeded in taking over the Houthis, they will stage some protests against the war in Yemen, and then have the UN decide that Yemen will (again) be divided in South and North Yemen (more like East and West by the way); the Houthis will get North Yemen...

    Then the Houthis, controlled by British Intelligence will show themselves to be as evil as the drug trafficking Taliban.
    This in retrospect will justify (the support from the US and Britain for) the war against Yemen and will even make the arm companies look good.

    If the Houthis are already “evil” (they don’t even have to be “controlled opposition”) the scenario would be even easier!
    So the supposed “problem” that you see that Saudi Arabia might be “creating” would be the “best” scenario for the Order of the Garter...
    But not for the house of Saud.
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  12. #370
    Houthi forces attack Saudi warship in Red Sea waters
    https://aml.ink/fZc3W


    Hussain Albukhait
    ►Yemeni Navy announced they have targeted a Saudi military vessel off the coast of Jizan
    (Jazan province SW Saudi Arabia)
    in response 2 coalition strikes on fishermen on Yemen coast
    Its 1st navy operation targeting a vessel inside Saudi territorial waters.






    21 hours ago
    Fishermen in Hodeidah reportedly targeted by Saudi-UAE air raid
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/...104309738.html

    The strike "resulted in fishermen being killed and the destruction of three ... A US official called for an investigation into attacks by the Saudi-UAE coalition in Yemen and for perpetrators to be held accountable.
    "Three fishing vessels, according to reports, were setting out to do their normal job when they were targeted by the Saudi-led coalition and were sunk," he said.

    Hodeidah offensive, fishermen scared to return to sea (2:33)



    "Initial reports suggest that about 70 fishermen are missing. That figure has now been amended by Houthi media to 19.
    "No one can get to the location to verify the number and the exact details of the incident."
    In an attack on a fish market in Hodeidah earlier this month, 28 people were killed and more than 30 were injured.
    4 days ago
    Some Saudi-Led Coalition Air Strikes in Yemen May Amount to War Crimes: U.N.
    https://www.usnews.com/news/world/ar...-war-crimes-un

    Air strikes by the Saudi-led coalition in Yemen's war have caused heavy civilian casualties at marketplaces, weddings and on fishing boats, some of which may amount to war crimes....
    (ya think??)
    Last edited by goldenequity; 09-01-2018 at 08:38 AM.

  13. #371
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  14. #372
    An investigative body set up by the Saudi-led coalition in Yemen said on Sept. 1 that a coalition airstrike that killed dozens of people, including children traveling on a bus, last month lacked military justification and requires a review of the rules of engagement, Reuters reported.

    More at: https://worldview.stratfor.com/situa...as-unjustified
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  15. #373
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  16. #374
    Saudi Arabia has started to implement precautions against Iranian threats to close the Strait of Hormuz and stop the Gulf oil exports by building an alternative oil pipeline from its borders passing through the Yemeni city of Al-Mahrah to the Arabian Sea.
    Local sources in Al-Mahrah Governorate told Al-Araby Al-Jadeed that the arrival of Saudi forces’ to the city earlier this year was surprising. They deployed all along the coastal strip of Al-Mahrah in preparation for the extension of the Saudi oil pipeline from Al-Kharkhir area close to the Yemeni borders, to the Port of Nishtun in Al-Mahrah.
    According to the sources, Saudi Arabia has opened more than 20 sites on the coastal directorates of Al-Mahrah Governorate and prevented citizens from getting near them because they are military sites. However, Yemeni tribesmen and citizens have been in clashes with those forces and stopped some construction operations in those areas.
    In an interview with Al-Araby Al-Jadeed, Yemeni economic researcher Abdul Waheed Al-Obali said that through this plan, Saudi Arabia is seeking to secure an additional line for oil exports in case Iran tightens its grip on the Gulf. At the same time, it appears that Saudi Arabia is aiming to compete with the UAE for access to the Arabian Sea.

    More at: https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20...o-arabian-sea/
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  17. #375
    Angry demonstrators on Sunday blocked a number of main roads in Yemen’s southern Aden province in protest of the rising cost of living as a result of the depreciating local currency.
    The Yemeni riyal severely plunged against foreign currencies in the past few days. One dollar is traded now for 600 riyals, from only 513 riyals in mid-August.
    According to an Anadolu Agency correspondent, protesters blocked several roads in the cities of Mualla, Sheikh Othman, Al Mansoora, Khormaksar, Al-Shab and Brega.
    Similar demonstrations are expected in other Yemeni provinces amid tough economic conditions in the war-torn country.
    In January, Saudi Arabia intervened to save the local currency by depositing $2 billion in the Yemeni Central Bank, but the move seems to have a little impact on strengthening the Yemeni currency.

    More at: https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20...rency-plunges/
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  18. #376
    =======


    https://twitter.com/BaFana3/status/1036954840277164032




    The New Arab (just glimpsing.. appears imo to be a shiite pro-Palestine, pro-Iran, pro-(Iran)reform news site... where located idk)
    Saudi king's brother condemns war in Yemen, blames crown prince for devastating conflict
    https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/ne...-war-in-yemen-


    Prince Ahmed bin Abdulaziz al-Saud


    The brother of the Saudi King has made rare public criticism of the war in Yemen, blaming the monarch and powerful Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman for the devastating conflict, which has killed thousands of civilians.

    Prince Ahmed bin Abdulaziz al-Saud made the comments to a group of protesters outside his London home, The New Arab's Arabic-language service reported on Tuesday.

    "What does the al-Saud family have to do with your chants? We have nothing to do with what is happening [in Yemen]. Certain officials are responsible... such as the king and the crown prince," Prince Ahmed tells protesters in a video posted online.

    "I hope the war in Yemen ends after tomorrow," he added.

    In another part of the video, the senior royal agrees with the protesters' condemnation of an August air strike in Yemen that killed dozens of civilians including 40 children.

    He also expresses sympathy for detained Shia activists in Bahrain - a close Saudi ally - saying: "If we could [do something] we would, God willing".

    The rare criticism from a member of the ruling al-Saud clan, hints at growing discontent over the aggressive policies of King Salman and his son, the crown prince.

    Prince Ahmed is the younger brother of King Salman and a member of the so-called Sudairi Seven - a powerful bloc of sons of the kingdom's founder.

    He served as the kingdom's deputy interior minister for 37 years, before briefly assuming the role of interior minister in 2012.

    In 2015, a dissident prince called for the overthrow of King Salman and for the aging ruler to be replaced with Prince Ahmed.

    The Saudi-led coalition intervened in Yemen in March 2015.

    The devastating conflict has since left around 13,000 people dead and sparked what the UN has described as the world's worst humanitarian crisis.

    The architect of the Yemen war, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, has come under increasing scrutiny over his combative foreign policies.

    The heir to the throne and de-facto ruler has led a year-long blockade of Qatar, cracked down on critics and potential rivals and has been accused of forcing the Lebanese Prime Minister Saad Hariri to resign while in Riyadh.


    ==========



    Almasirah English
    Madrid Cancels Arms Sale Deal with Riyadh after Saudi Massacre of Yemeni Kids
    https://english.almasirah.net/detail...=2605&cat_id=2




    The Spanish Ministry of Defense announced on Monday that it will return the 9.2 million euros already paid by Saudi Arabia
    to buy 400 Spanish-made precision bombs amid fears that they could be used to target the innocent people of Yemen.
    Spain is the fourth country on the list of major arms exporters to the Riyadh regime.
    Human rights organizations accuse the Spanish monarch of facilitating these deals
    because of his good relationship with the ruling family in Saudi Arabia.
    In the most recent contracts, the Spanish state-owned shipbuilder Navantia signed a €1.8-billion deal
    to sell five small warships to Saudi Arabia.

    ►Earlier this year, a spokesman for the German government announced that Berlin
    had decided to stop exporting weapons to countries involved in the aggression on Yemen.

    The Netherlands and Sweden also adopted a more restrictive approach to arms sales.
    A Belgian court suspended four arms licenses for Saudi Arabia because of concerns about violations in Yemen.
    Norway also suspended its arms sales to Saudi Arabia and the UAE.


    The United States, the United Kingdom and France remain major arms suppliers to Saudi Arabia.
    Last edited by goldenequity; 09-04-2018 at 08:33 AM.



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  20. #377
    Yemen’s Houthi rebels have claimed a successful attack on an unidentified oil facility of Saudi Aramco in Jizan, according to a report in Iranian state news agency IRNA. The strike with Badr 1 missiles took place on Monday, two days after an earlier one that targeted a Saudi frigate in Jizan.

    More at: https://oilprice.com/Geopolitics/Mid...-Facility.html
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  21. #378

    Unhappy FUKUS

    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    The United States, the United Kingdom and France remain major arms suppliers to Saudi Arabia.
    FUKUS, what a coincidence. /s
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  22. #379

  23. #380
    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    The New Arab (just glimpsing.. appears imo to be a shiite pro-Palestine, pro-Iran, pro-(Iran)reform news site... where located idk)
    Saudi king's brother condemns war in Yemen, blames crown prince for devastating conflict
    https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/ne...-war-in-yemen-


    Prince Ahmed bin Abdulaziz al-Saud
    Prince Ahmed has since denied "condemning" the King or Crown Prince. If I understand correctly he called them "responsible" that isn't quite the same as blaming them.
    Notice that he lives in London?


    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    Almasirah English
    Madrid Cancels Arms Sale Deal with Riyadh after Saudi Massacre of Yemeni Kids
    https://english.almasirah.net/detail...=2605&cat_id=2
    In July, Spanish state-owned shipbuilder Navantia signed a 1.8 billion Euro deal to sell 5 warships to Saudi Arabia. Isn’t it strange that Spain has returned a mere 9.2 million while keeping the 1.8 billion Euros...


    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    ►Earlier this year, a spokesman for the German government announced that Berlin
    had decided to stop exporting weapons to countries involved in the aggression on Yemen.
    Worthless promises from Germany.
    In the first quarter of 2018, Germany tripled its arms exports to Saudi Arabia to a whopping 162 million Euro....


    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    The Netherlands and Sweden also adopted a more restrictive approach to arms sales.
    The Netherlands would never lie, of course, but we are masters at “bending” the truth!

    From 1950 to 2017, the Netherlands (like Israel) is in the top 10 of biggest arms exporters in the world. In 2016, the Netherlands exported 1.4 billion Euros in weapons.



    In 2015, the Netherlands sold 72 million Euros worth of weapons to the UAE (“only” 3.5 million in 2016).
    In 2015, the Netherlands sold 9.6 million worth of weapons and in 2016 9.2 million to Jordan.
    (in Dutch): http://www.stopwapenhandel.org/sites...17opmaak_0.pdf


    The first trick used by the Netherlands to hide their support for genocide is by labelling products used by the military as non-military.

    The Netherlands for example produces and sells SOTAS communication systems for Abraham tanks to Saudi Arabia that are used in the war against Yemen.

    The Saudi's lost over 20 Abram tanks during the war in Yemen. In 2016, Saudi Arabia bought 133 new Abram tanks.
    In February 2017, the Pentagon issued a contract for modification of systems and technical support for the Abram tanks of Australia, UAE and Saudi Arabia. To be completed in February 2018.
    General Dynamics was the main contract partner. Which companies in Germany and the Netherlands are involved is not mentioned.

    A Thales employee, that previously (also) delivered internal SOTAS communication systems for Saudi tanks, admitted that the company still sold these “baby phones” in the summer of 2017. These communication systems are labelled as non-military...
    The Dutch state has a 1% stake in Thales: http://www.stopwapenhandel.org/node/2109
    (archived here: http://archive.is/0i2Ti)


    The second trick used by the Netherlands is by mainly producing intermediate products (instead of end products) that are assembled elsewhere into weapons.
    According to the Dutch government, intermediate products make up 80% of the total “new” weapons sales from the Netherlands. Because these weapons are further assembled elsewhere, the Netherlands can’t be expected to keep track on where they end up...
    The Netherlands also sells huge quantities of second hand weapons systems (that are “obsolete”).

    The Netherlands also produces parts for the Apache helicopter and Reaper-drone. These are sold from the US, so the Netherlands only takes the profit but isn’t to blame...
    The biggest buyer for the Reaper-drones is the US Department of Defense, who use them in the war against Yemen (in Dutch): https://decorrespondent.nl/7894/hoe-...14100-ce75497c
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  24. #381
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to @Firestarter again.

  25. #382
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    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to @Firestarter again.
    Covered.

    Since I was going to rep him anyway could someone cover me?
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  26. #383
    Signs of opposition to policies of Saudi King Salman and his son, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, and potentially increased domestic polarization have in the past week spilled on to the streets of London while a just released report questioned the economic and political benefits of Britain’s relationship with the kingdom.
    The London incidents, involving a brother of King Salman as well as an assault on a Saudi critic, suggest a long suspected greater degree of domestic questioning of Saudi Arabia’s 3.5-year-old ill-fated war in Yemen than has been publicly evident until now.
    The Salmans have sought to crush dissent with mass arrests of activists, religious scholars, businessmen and members of the ruling Al Saud family; a power and asset grab last November under the mum of an anti-corruption campaign that targeted some of Saudi elite’s most prominent figures; and legal measures criminalizing criticism.
    Although focused on British-Saudi economic and political relations, the report by King’s College London and the Oxford Research Group calls into question not only British but also by implication long-standing Western willingness to turn a blind eye to the kingdom’s violations of human rights and its conduct of the Yemen war that has produced one of the worst humanitarian crises in post-World War Two history.
    The London incidents coupled with increasing European questioning of arms sales to Saudi Arabia, including this week’s cancellation by Spain of the sale of 400 laser-guided precision bombs, suggests that Saudi Arabia is finding it more difficult to keep domestic dissent and international criticism under wraps. Spain follows in the footsteps of Germany, Norway, the Netherlands and Belgium who have suspended some military sales.
    The Spanish cancellation came on the heels of last month’s Saudi-Canadian spat sparked by a call on Saudi Arabia by Canada’s ambassador to the kingdom, Dennis Horak, to release detained women activists, including Samar Badawi, the sister-in-law of a recently naturalized Canadian citizen, Ensaf Haidar.
    Ms. Haidar is married to Ms. Badawi’s brother, Raif Badawi, who was arrested in 2012 and sentenced to ten years in prison and 1,000 lashes for promoting freedom of expression and women’s rights.
    It also came in the wake of the withdrawal of Malaysian troops from the 41-nation, Saudi-sponsored Islamic Military Counter Terrorism Coalition (IMCTC) and the closure in Malaysia of the Saudi-backed King Salman Centre for International Peace (KSCIP).


    Applying a cost-benefit analysis, The Kings College/Oxford Research Group report concluded that, contrary to the projections of the government of Prime Minister Theresa May and popular perception, Britain enjoyed limited economic benefit from its relationship with Saudi Arabia while suffering considerable reputational damage.
    The report noted that Britain’s US$ 8 billion in exports to Saudi Arabia accounted for a mere one percent of total exports in 2016. The British Treasury reaped US$ 38.5 million in revenues from arms sales or a paltry 0.004 percent of the Treasury’s total income in 2016. Overall, Britain’s defense industry produced in 2010/11 only one percent of the country’s total output and created a meagre 0.6 percent of all jobs.
    The analysis stroked with the conclusion of a 2016 study by the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI) and Campaign Against Arms Trade (CAAT) that arms exports cannot be said to represent an important part of the UK economy, and even less so of the labour market, despite the prominence of the ‘jobs argument’ amongst politicians and industry figures seeking to promote and defend arms exports.”
    The King’s College/Oxford Research report took issue with assertions by successive British governments that trade and weapons sales as well as support for Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman’s reform programme enabled Britain to influence Saudi policy and introduce democratic and human rights values.
    “There is little evidence, based on publicly available information, that the UK exerts either influence or leverage over Saudi Arabia. In fact, there is greater evidence that Saudi Arabia exerts influence over the UK. There is a contradiction between the UK presenting itself as a progressive, liberal country and defender of the international rules-based order, while at the same time providing diplomatic cover for a regime, which, based on our analysis, is undermining that rules-based order,” the report said.
    It warned that “the UK appears to be incurring reputational costs as a result of its relationship with Saudi Arabia, while the economic benefits to the UK are questionable.”
    The report’s call on the British government to critically analyse its foreign policy and limit and be more selective and transparent in in its engagement with Saudi Arabia could constitute an approach that would appeal to other European governments.

    More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...i-relationship
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  27. #384
    Peace talks in Geneva on Yemen's conflict have been delayed until Sept. 7 because representatives from the Houthi movement failed to arrive in time, The National reported Sept. 6. Houthi representatives say the Saudi-led coalition failed to give them proper permits to depart, but Yemeni officials denied the claim, calling it a Houthi deception.

    More at: https://worldview.stratfor.com/situa...ys-peace-talks
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  29. #385
    The governor of a southern Yemeni province pumping 100,000 bpd—half of Yemen’s total oil production—threatened on Thursday to suspend oil shipments from the region if the internationally recognized Yemeni government doesn’t meet the demands of protesters in Yemen’s south who have been protesting against government policies as the economic and humanitarian situation continues to deteriorate and the local currency to plunge.
    Salmeen al-Bahseeni, the governor of the southern Hadramout province, made the threat in a radio-broadcasted speech, after protests in southern Yemen spread. Protesters have been protesting for two weeks against government policies after the Yemeni currency, the rial, has lost more than half of its value against the U.S. dollar since the civil war in Yemen began in 2015.
    Al-Bahseeni and other local politicians in Yemen’s south support the protests against the ailing economy and plunging currency.
    Southern Yemeni separatists backed by the United Arab Emirates (UAE) control most of the southern provinces, including the Hadramout province, and have been at odds with the president Abd-Rabbu Mansour Hadi, who is backed by Saudi Arabia.

    More at: https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-N...Shipments.html
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  30. #386
    Yemen's Houthi rebels are prepared to attend UN-sponsored peace talks in Geneva if three of their demands are met, a member of the group's delegation has told Al Jazeera.
    The talks, which would have been the first in nearly two years, were scheduled to take place in the Swiss city from Thursday but have been delayed twice in two days after the Houthi delegation failed to leave Sanaa.
    Hameed Assem, a member of the Houthi delegation that was supposed to fly to Geneva, told Al Jazeera on Friday that the Houthi group's three demands included "transport of wounded rebels to Oman, repatriation of rebels who have already received treatment there and a guarantee that the Houthi delegation attending the talks in Geneva would be allowed to return to the rebel-held capital Sanaa after the talks end".

    A source in the Yemeni government delegation in Geneva told Reuters news agency that if the Houthis did not leave Sanaa "by 12pm" (09:00 GMT) on Friday, "I think the government delegation will decide to leave".
    The Houthi-run Saba news agency defended the group's absence, reporting that the Saudi-led alliance was "refusing to give required authorisations to an Omani plane in the capital Sanaa to transfer the [Houthi] delegation to Geneva".
    The news agency reported that the Houthis "blamed the UN for failing to secure the authorisations from the alliance which controls Yemen's airspace".
    Mohammad Abdul-Salam, the Houthis' main spokesman who had previously held secret talks with the Saudi-UAE alliance in Oman, also blamed the UN, saying it should "speak to the Americans", who he claimed control Yemeni airspace.



    More at: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/...093710133.html
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  31. #387
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  32. #388
    U.N.-backed peace talks in Geneva over Yemen's conflict were officially canceled after Houthi rebel representatives failed to arrive, Gulf News reported Sept. 9. The Houthi delegation claims the Saudi-led coalition never granted them the necessary authorization to fly, a claim the Saudi-led coalition denies.

    More at: https://worldview.stratfor.com/situa...ace-talks-fail
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  33. #389


    According to estimates by the UN, more than 18 million Yemenis are in danger of dying from starvation by the end of this year (about 65% of the population). That estimate includes more than 2 million children.

    The UN did nothing to prevent the “coalition” to bomb Yemen and block all aid shipments from reaching the starving population. The UN took $300 million from Saudi Arabia to provide Yemen with “urgent humanitarian aid” (like cholera vaccines).
    Since March 2015, Saudi Arabia has conducted over 230,000 airstrikes, which deliberately target Yemen’s food and drinking water.

    According to the UN, 250,000 Yemenis could die from the military assault on Hodeidah alone.
    Although Saudi Arabia gets most of the bad press on the genocide of Yemen, it’s the United Arab Emirates that leads the assault on Hodeidah: https://www.mintpressnews.com/starvi...achine/249064/
    (archived here: http://archive.is/5zOrc)


    At this moment, 400,000 Yemeni children are so severely malnourished that they are fighting for their lives.
    August was the bloodiest month in Yemen in 2018, with 981 civilians, including over 300 children, killed or injured by “coalition” bombs. That’s on top of the more than 4000 Yemeni children that die from “preventable causes” every single month...

    A 29-30 August poll by YouGov for Save the Children and Avaaz published Yesterday found that 63% of the British public opposes the sale of weapons to the Saudis (while 13% support these arms sales). The poll also found that only 14% thinks that the UK’s role in supporting the “coalition” reflects “British values and interests”.
    The poll showed that for the first time, a majority of Conservative voters (52%) oppose arms sales to the “coalition”.

    Saudi Arabia is the largest buyer of British arms. The UK has licensed more than £4.6 billion worth of arms to Saudi Arabia since March 2015.
    In the wake of the poll, MPs have scheduled an emergency debate on Yemen: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8532191.html
    (archived here: http://archive.is/xisRW)
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  34. #390
    not good...



    Conflict News
    YEMEN: Pro-government forces take main Houthi roads into Hodeida, military sources say - @AFP




    https://twitter.com/saeedalBatati/st...48833918951424

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