Trump Is First to Use PATRIOT Act to Detain a Man Forever

[Swordsmyth]

The ACLU isn't perfect but they do help a lot of people. I've seen them help many Christian organizations with things like keeping their property when zoning laws were trying to take them.

And, where'd you get your info? MSM?

Find a libertarian site that will support this man's indefinite detention- go!

Find me supporting his indefinite detention- GO!

I have made many suggestions of how to release him, I just insist that an enemy must not be released HERE.

[Ender]

Find me supporting his indefinite detention- GO!

I have made many suggestions of how to release him, I just insist that an enemy must not be released HERE.

Prove he's an enemy.

[Swordsmyth]

Prove he's an enemy.

He donated to terrorists after donating to those terrorists was specifically outlawed.

[Zippyjuan]

Prove he's an enemy.

According to the article in the OP:

But Hassoun was never accused of any act or plot of violence.

But he must be a threat! We must hold him under that law we claim to hate so much! Even without charges! Because we support liberty!

[Stratovarious]

Read post #175

Read Post 5 through 150, I had a hunch you would non sequitur like I'm sure zippy will as well.

Open Border Globalist applaud your efforts I'm sure.

[Zippyjuan]

He donated to terrorists after donating to those terrorists was specifically outlawed.

He wrote one check after 9/11 and did his time in jail for that. Nothing violent and nothing since.

[Stratovarious]

What violent acts of terrorism was he involved with?



If a man has completed his sentence, he should be released. What law should he still be in jail for violating that he was convicted of?

You claim to want the Patriot Act repealed yet want this man detained without charges under one of its more questionable clauses.



Or are you saying you are not a real libertarian?

None of the four of you can answer this very simple question;

What is your solution?

[Stratovarious]

Prove he's an enemy.

None of the four of you zippy et al, can come close to a solution, but you can sure
go on and on and on about something else.....


Bravo!!!

[Ender]

Read Post 5 through 150, I had a hunch you would non sequitur like I'm sure zippy will as well.

Open Border Globalist applaud your efforts I'm sure.

So you didn't read it- just love to throw insults. I'm sure all the communists are applauding you for supporting indefinite detention.

[Stratovarious]

He wrote one check after 9/11 and did his time in jail for that. Nothing violent and nothing since.

LOL , how could he do anything since?

OMG

Gold......

[Stratovarious]

So you didn't read it- just love to throw insults. I'm sure all the communists are applauding you for supporting indefinite detention.

I've asked the four of you ten times now for your solution,

[Stratovarious]

Zippy , Ender



WHAT IS YOUR SOLUTION?

[Ender]

I've asked the four of you ten times now for your solution,

Read.

[Stratovarious]

Ender what is your solution?

[Zippyjuan]

Find me supporting his indefinite detention- GO!

I have made many suggestions of how to release him, I just insist that an enemy must not be released HERE.

Let's try post #49.

Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
No. He was in prison for that reason. Then he completed his sentence. Why is he in prison now?

Because he has no right to be released in America and nowhere else will take him.

Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
Not imprison him forever.

That's what you wouldn't do.

What would you do?

Several suggestions have been made that aren't imprisoning him forever.

[Zippyjuan]

Zippy , Ender



WHAT IS YOUR SOLUTION?

Let him go. He did his time.

[Stratovarious]

Let him go.

Where?

[Swordsmyth]

Let's try post #49.

FAIL

I said he should be released elsewhere and made multiple suggestions.

[Zippyjuan]

Where?

Wherever he want to. He is not a threat to the US. Meanwhile our tax dollars are being used to pay for the illegal detention.

[Stratovarious]

Wherever he want to. He is not a threat to the US.

Release him where?

[jon4liberty]

He would be released.







Completely ignoring all of the facts of his case, there is an enumerated punishment for the crimes that he committed, and the government has exceeded that punishment. What you're proposing that that either the government have the ability to disregard both law and judicial rulings (sacrificing two of the three branches on the altar of the third in a rather SwordSmythian manner), or else that... what, the howling mob can just decide which people should be jailed and for how long, based upon whatever opinion has been fed to them through their idiot boxes?



The argument only gets worse if you actually bother to read the facts at hand. The proceedings of the investigation and trial conducted should sound very familiar to anyone who knows how the government treats militias and anti-government movements. If he were, say, white and christian instead of brown and muslim, and if his choice of charities were ever so slightly different (Irish, perhaps), then the usual media outlets would have been regurgitating words of 'freedom,' 'liberty,' and so on onto the faces of the exact same people in the exact same mob, who would have greedily devoured every bit of it and begun howling for him not to have been jailed in the first place.

He would be released in the US?? You still dodge it and won't go on record lol

[PAF]

The ACLU isn't perfect but they do help a lot of people. I've seen them help many Christian organizations with things like keeping their property when zoning laws were trying to take them.

And, where'd you get your info? MSM?

Find a libertarian site that will support this man's indefinite detention- go!

Whoa there fella! Bringing up Property Rights, on RPF? Now you’ve done it, nobody will listen to your anti-socialist rhetoric anymore. Power to the FED - at tax payer cost!

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Ender again.

[Swordsmyth]

Whoa there fella! Bringing up Property Rights, on RPF? Now you’ve done it, nobody will listen to your anti-socialist rhetoric anymore. Power to the FED - at tax payer cost!

Never judge a commie by his cover.





The ACLU’s chief founders were communists and communist sympathizers, including top Communist Party officials William Z. Foster, Elizabeth Gurley Flynn, and Louis Budenz. Roger N. Baldwin, another of the co-founders (and the ACLU’s executive director from 1920-1950) may not have been an official card-carrying CPUSA member, but he was a willing collaborator. He wrote:


I am for socialism.... I seek social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class, and sole control by those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal.... I don’t regret being part of the communist tactic. I knew what I was doing. I was not an innocent liberal. I wanted what the communists wanted and I traveled the United Front road to get it.


Despite utilizing more moderate rhetoric than many of their earlier Bolsheviki forebears, the NLG and the ACLU have not swerved from their leftward course. Neither have they deviated from Comintern plan for exploiting immigration and migration issues to batter down our borders and transform the United States into a mere cog in a global socialist system. But don’t expect any of the fake journalists of the Fake News organizations to mention any of this.

https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnew...-ice-agitation

[PAF]

Never judge a commie by his cover.





The ACLU’s chief founders were communists and communist sympathizers, including top Communist Party officials William Z. Foster, Elizabeth Gurley Flynn, and Louis Budenz. Roger N. Baldwin, another of the co-founders (and the ACLU’s executive director from 1920-1950) may not have been an official card-carrying CPUSA member, but he was a willing collaborator. He wrote:


I am for socialism.... I seek social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class, and sole control by those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal.... I don’t regret being part of the communist tactic. I knew what I was doing. I was not an innocent liberal. I wanted what the communists wanted and I traveled the United Front road to get it.


Despite utilizing more moderate rhetoric than many of their earlier Bolsheviki forebears, the NLG and the ACLU have not swerved from their leftward course. Neither have they deviated from Comintern plan for exploiting immigration and migration issues to batter down our borders and transform the United States into a mere cog in a global socialist system. But don’t expect any of the fake journalists of the Fake News organizations to mention any of this.

https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnew...-ice-agitation

Weird thing is, the article that you posted and your views on individual rights seem to line up pretty well. So here I agree, “Never judge a commie by his cover.“ Thing is, I’ve had you pegged pretty much from day one.

[Swordsmyth]

Weird thing is, the article that you posted and your views on individual rights seem to line up pretty well. So here I agree, “Never judge a commie by his cover.“ Thing is, I’ve had you pegged pretty much from day one.

LOL

Go ahead and take the side of the people who say "I am for socialism.... I seek social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class, and sole control by those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal.... I don’t regret being part of the communist tactic. I knew what I was doing. I was not an innocent liberal. I wanted what the communists wanted and I traveled the United Front road to get it."

Everyone can see who cares about liberty and who doesn't.

[CCTelander]

Yep- haters are gonna hate.

This is a very dangerous precept- how long will it be before anyone can be held indefinitely & jailed many times for the same "crime".

This guy has injured no one- Before the PAI he sent money to small muslim groups who he felt were being assaulted. These were NOT terrorist groups against the US. And he was not here illegally when the immigration authorities grabbed him.

He has family here in the US- all legal- who will take care of him.

Remember good old days here on RPFs, when you could speak out against an obviously and unambiguously totalitarian policy like this and not be accused of colluding to destroy America? Things change.

[Ender]

Remember good old days here on RPFs, when you could speak out against an obviously and unambiguously totalitarian policy like this and not be accused of colluding to destroy America? Things change.

Seems few even understand real liberty anymore.

[Stratovarious]

Remember good old days here on RPFs, when you could speak out against an obviously and unambiguously totalitarian policy like this and not be accused of colluding to destroy America? Things change.

Seems few even understand real liberty anymore.

Who do you know on this forum that supports the Patriot Act ?

[TheCount]

He would be released in the US?? You still dodge it and won't go on record lol

It's right there in the post that you quoted:

I don't think that I'm being ambiguous. The government can not jail him indefinitely. Where he is released, and whether or not you, the government, Papa John, Hootie and the Blowfish, or I consider the place that he is released to be the "best" place for him to be released is entirely separate from the fact that he must be released.

[Ender]

Who do you know on this forum that supports the Patriot Act ?

Everyone who supports this man being incarcerated for life.