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    Trump officially and bigly violates the Constitution with his vote-buying Executive Orders

    (eta: After full review of the orders, the constitutionality of the EOs is questionable, since what the Trumpkins claim they do isn't exactly what they do. I should know better than to react to the Trumpkin fake news headlines )


    Congratulations America, you've successfully turned over the country to a vote-buying dictatorship.

    It's signed. The President has no authority whatsoever to direct spending that is not appropriated by the Congress but who cares as long as some imaginary Fedbux show up. Conservatives

    But be sure to vote real hard this coming election to avoid those pesky vote buying socialist Democrats!
    Last edited by devil21; 08-08-2020 at 04:13 PM.
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    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book



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    I think our country is truly dead at this point. Not just Trump or this law, but the slow and sadly legal progression of absolutely everything.

    RIP United States of America, who was murdered by the Traitors on the inside who sold out everyone.
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    Cutting the unconstitutional federal tax rate in half during a pandemic emergency is unconstitutional? I'm pretty sure there is some emergency authorization that will allow him to do this. And if you think the emergency authorization is unconstitutional, well, I say the federal income tax is unconstitutional. So I guess we are at a constitutional stalemate where once side is arguing for a tax reduction and the other side is not. Why do you always choose to be on the wrong side?
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    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Cutting the unconstitutional federal tax rate in half during a pandemic emergency is unconstitutional? I'm pretty sure there is some emergency authorization that will allow him to do this. And if you think the emergency authorization is unconstitutional, well, I say the federal income tax is unconstitutional. So I guess we are at a constitutional stalemate where once side is arguing for a tax reduction and the other side is not. Why do you always choose to be on the wrong side?
    Just stop. For the love of god just stop. If you're going to insist that going around the Congress to decree "let them eat cake" is a-ok because of a contrived emergency, you have no business being on this forum any more. I remember when conservatives freaked over Obama saying "I have a phone and a pen" to get around Congress. Today? CRICKETS. Republicans/conservatives/most libertarians are a $#@!ing joke.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Just stop. For the love of god just stop. If you're going to insist that going around the Congress to decree "let them eat cake" is a-ok because of a contrived emergency, you have no business being on this forum any more. I remember when conservatives freaked over Obama saying "I have a phone and a pen" to get around Congress. Today? CRICKETS. Republicans/conservatives/most libertarians are a $#@!ing joke.
    Sorry, I don't think you are going to get a lot of people arguing against cutting the federal income tax here.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    "Look at Trump, he's a Nazi like Hitler!! He is going to cut our taxes!!"

    Good lord.. you sound like one of those crazy leftists who say Ron Paul is a nazi..
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Celebrate my fellow citizens!

    8/8/20 is the birth of our New Order! The Technocratic Oligarchal Plutocratic Aristocracy TOPA for short.

    Today is a joyous day!


    Now let's mobilize to become a Constitutional Monarchy!
    Last edited by Pauls' Revere; 08-08-2020 at 03:36 PM.

    We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Sorry, I don't think you are going to get a lot of people arguing against cutting the federal income tax here.
    Trump does not have executive authority to do that. Congress must repeal the relevant Title 26 to stop voluntary federal income tax. What part of the EO being unconstitutional do you not get? (eta: The EO says "TAX DEFERRED", not tax cut.)

    And what of directing spending that is not congressionally appropriated? HIGHLY unconstitutional.
    (eta: EO says Governors are "urged" to ask FEMA for money already appropriated by the CARES Act that hasn't yet been spent. No new federal spending is directed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls' Revere View Post
    Celebrate my fellow citizens!

    8/8/20 is the birth of our New Order! The Technocratic Oligarchal Plutocratic Aristocracy TOPA for short.

    Today is a joyous day!
    I know that all of this is scripted well in advance but it still irks me how feckless and weak conservatives really are, despite all their gung-ho rhetoric.

    Trump had the number "88" (8/8) surrounding him since he started campaigning (even before then) and I have a 5 year old thread about what was planned that's happening now, here: (though you've probably already read it)

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...-money-is-done

    It still irks me how stupid and easily manipulated people are, especially conservatives who should know better by now.
    Last edited by devil21; 08-08-2020 at 04:20 PM.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book



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    Trump Sanders has pen and printing press and wants to buy your vote.

    https://projects.economist.com/us-20...cast/president

    Chance of winning
    the electoral college
    Chance of winning
    the most votes
    Predicted range of electoral college votes (270 to win)

    Joe Biden
    Democrat

    around 9 in 10
    or 90%
    better than 19 in 20
    or 98%
    220-434

    Donald Trump
    Republican

    around 1 in 10
    or 10%
    less than 1 in 20
    or 3%
    104-318

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    the unconstitutional federal tax rate
    Where does the Constitution set a maximum rate?

    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    I say the federal income tax is unconstitutional.
    Given that it's authorized by two separate constitutional provisions, you are wrong.
    We have long had death and taxes as the two standards of inevitability. But there are those who believe that death is the preferable of the two. "At least," as one man said, "there's one advantage about death; it doesn't get worse every time Congress meets."
    Erwin N. Griswold

    Taxes: Of life's two certainties, the only one for which you can get an automatic extension.
    Anonymous

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    The EOs are released.

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/president...-disease-2019/

    FEMA is now in charge of disbursing money to state governments that request it, who then pay it out to "eligible claimants". This EO does not order $400 payments directly to any one whatsoever. So, in other words, more Trump fake news headlines. The EO "urges" Governors to beg FEMA for money to shore up their sagging unemployment funds. It is perhaps not unconstitutional since it is not actually a directive to spend money not appropriated. Governors have to ask FEMA for it and it is disbursed by the states, if they choose to.

    Either way, all 4 of today's EOs are still blatant vote buying. But that must be ok since Republicans are welfare queens now, too.

    Rest of EOs here:
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/
    Last edited by devil21; 08-08-2020 at 04:22 PM.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

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    Pfizer Macht Frei!

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    Quiz: Test Your "Income" Tax IQ!

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    The Income Tax Is An Excise, And Excise Taxes Are Privilege Taxes

    The Federalist Papers, No. 15:

    Except as to the rule of appointment, the United States have an indefinite discretion to make requisitions for men and money; but they have no authority to raise either by regulations extending to the individual citizens of America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Cutting the unconstitutional federal tax rate in half during a pandemic emergency is unconstitutional? I'm pretty sure there is some emergency authorization that will allow him to do this. And if you think the emergency authorization is unconstitutional, well, I say the federal income tax is unconstitutional. So I guess we are at a constitutional stalemate where once side is arguing for a tax reduction and the other side is not. Why do you always choose to be on the wrong side?

    It is not "unconstitutional" just misapplied and enforced. Study my signature for more info.
    Pfizer Macht Frei!

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    Quiz: Test Your "Income" Tax IQ!

    Short Income Tax Video

    The Income Tax Is An Excise, And Excise Taxes Are Privilege Taxes

    The Federalist Papers, No. 15:

    Except as to the rule of appointment, the United States have an indefinite discretion to make requisitions for men and money; but they have no authority to raise either by regulations extending to the individual citizens of America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    It is not "unconstitutional" just misapplied and enforced. Study my signature for more info.
    Either way, comparing someone who is being "dictator" by cutting taxes to actual dictators is pretty funny to me.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Either way, comparing someone who is being "dictator" by cutting taxes to actual dictators is pretty funny to me.
    I agree.
    Pfizer Macht Frei!

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    Quiz: Test Your "Income" Tax IQ!

    Short Income Tax Video

    The Income Tax Is An Excise, And Excise Taxes Are Privilege Taxes

    The Federalist Papers, No. 15:

    Except as to the rule of appointment, the United States have an indefinite discretion to make requisitions for men and money; but they have no authority to raise either by regulations extending to the individual citizens of America.

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    The quick and dirty of the EOs is that they do NOT do what the Trumpkins and their echo chamber media purports they do. Admittedly, this thread title is probably inaccurate, though little to none of what they detail was constitutional in the first place.

    What the EOs do is:
    1) "Urge" Governors to ask FEMA for money for the unemployment funds, up to $400 per eligible recipient, with a cap on how much is available from already appropriated CARES funds remaining.
    2) DEFER payroll tax for anyone earning under $4000 per biweekly. It does not "cut" taxes or repeal any taxes.
    3) Housing evictions and foreclosures apply only to residents with Fannie and Freddie mortgages and those receiving federal housing/rent subsidies.
    4) SUSPEND student loan payments for loans held by DoE
    Last edited by devil21; 08-11-2020 at 12:25 PM.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book



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  20. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Either way, comparing someone who is being "dictator" by cutting taxes to actual dictators is pretty funny to me.
    Read my above post. There are no tax cuts, only tax DEFERRALS. Stop saying they are tax cuts. They're not. All of these people thinking they're getting tax cuts and free money will be bigly surprised when their TAX BILLS come due next year.

    "But but dannno said it was a tax cut and free checks?!?!? Why do I owe $3400?!?!?"
    Last edited by devil21; 08-08-2020 at 05:12 PM.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Read my above post. There are no tax cuts, only tax DEFERRALS. Stop saying they are tax cuts. They're not.

    Deferred? So past payroll taxes will have to be paid?
    Pfizer Macht Frei!

    Openly Straight Man, Danke, Awarded Top Rated Influencer. Community Standards Enforcer.


    Quiz: Test Your "Income" Tax IQ!

    Short Income Tax Video

    The Income Tax Is An Excise, And Excise Taxes Are Privilege Taxes

    The Federalist Papers, No. 15:

    Except as to the rule of appointment, the United States have an indefinite discretion to make requisitions for men and money; but they have no authority to raise either by regulations extending to the individual citizens of America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    Deferred? So past payroll taxes will have to be paid?
    I don't know off hand what the specific wording of the CARES Act provision said about any such thing but go read the EO I linked a few posts up. The title of the EO itself says "DEFERRING PAYROLL TAX OBLIGATONS". The EO, constitutional or not, does not direct any taxes to be cut. It directs the Treasury, pursuant to federal statute, to suspend and defer, collection of tax for filers that meet certain conditions. That's it.
    Last edited by devil21; 08-08-2020 at 05:19 PM.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    Deferred? So past payroll taxes will have to be paid?
    No, the payments are deferred, I presume they use that terminology because they are programs that still requires funding.

    If we re-elect Trump he is saying he may defer them again in 2021, but Biden won't.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  24. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    "Look at Trump, he's a Nazi like Hitler!! He is going to cut our taxes!!"

    Good lord.. you sound like one of those crazy leftists who say Ron Paul is a nazi..
    They scream for Trump to break unconstitutional laws and refuse to enforce them and then when he does they call him a dictator.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    No, the payments are deferred, I presume they use that terminology because they are programs that still requires funding.

    If we re-elect Trump he is saying he may defer them again in 2021, but Biden won't.
    If he defers them long enough nobody will dare to reinstate them.
    I think Trump will end up getting a Republican Congress to get rid of them for good.
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  26. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    It is not "unconstitutional" just misapplied and enforced. Study my signature for more info.
    It is misapplied and enforced in an unconstitutional way.
    That makes it unconstitutional.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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  27. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    No, the payments are deferred, I presume they use that terminology because they are programs that still requires funding.

    If we re-elect Trump he is saying he may defer them again in 2021, but Biden won't.
    With "Republicans" like Donald, who needs Democrats? You Alinsky LARPers are doing a fantastic job turning conservatives into fellow communists, without them even realizing it. Well played LARPers, well played. Pushing vote buying writ large, and making traditional Dem vote buying look downright amateurish. Better to hold much of the country hostage than just poor minorities, eh?


    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    They scream for Trump to break unconstitutional laws and refuse to enforce them and then when he does they call him a dictator.
    Who screams for Trump to break laws, other than you LARPers? There's a constitutional process to repeal BAD LAWS and it should be followed. Only someone with no respect for the Constitution advocates for breaking the Constitution. That's Bush level "ignore capitalism to save capitalism" nonsense.
    Last edited by devil21; 08-08-2020 at 05:41 PM.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book



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  29. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Read my above post. There are no tax cuts, only tax DEFERRALS. Stop saying they are tax cuts. They're not.

    Exactly. A "deferral" or "deferment" means to put the payment off untill a later date, NOT cut or forgive the payment entirely. So what happens at the end of the year then? Those granted "deferrals" have to make a lump sum payment? Big favor. Go Trump.
    Last edited by CCTelander; 08-08-2020 at 05:44 PM.
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  30. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    With "Republicans" like Donald, who needs Democrats? You Alinsky LARPers are doing a fantastic job turning conservatives into fellow communists, without them even realizing it. Well played LARPers, well played. Pushing vote buying writ large, and making traditional Dem vote buying look downright amateurish. Better to hold much of the country hostage than just poor minorities, eh?




    Who screams for Trump to break laws, other than you LARPers? There's a constitutional process to repeal BAD LAWS and it should be followed. Only someone with no respect for the Constitution advocates for breaking the Constitution. That's Bush level "ignore capitalism to save capitalism" nonsense.
    The Constitution is the supreme law of the land and all laws repugnant to it are null and void, the President is charged with enforcing the law.
    Thanks for exposing your disregard for the Constitution.
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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    With "Republicans" like Donald, who needs Democrats? You Alinsky LARPers are doing a fantastic job turning conservatives into fellow communists, without them even realizing it. Well played LARPers, well played. Pushing vote buying writ large, and making traditional Dem vote buying look downright amateurish. Better to hold much of the country hostage than just poor minorities, eh?




    Who screams for Trump to break laws, other than you LARPers? There's a constitutional process to repeal BAD LAWS and it should be followed. Only someone with no respect for the Constitution advocates for breaking the Constitution. That's Bush level "ignore capitalism to save capitalism" nonsense.
    You are the communist who wants Trump to enforce unconstitutional laws to fund wealth redistribution programs.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    Exactly. A "deferral" or "deferment" means to put the payment off untill a later date, NOT cut or forgive the payment entirely. So what happens at the end of the year then? Those granted "deferrals" have to make a lump sum payment? Big favor. Go Trump.
    It's simple, they will be deferred again and again until a Republican Congress eliminates them or Trump simply cancels them.

    Nobody is going to dare send a big bill to millions of Americans.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  33. #29
    He seems very political and election centric despite being an "outsider accomplished businessman" non-politician.

    As thigs stand, payroll debt benefit and other exec action benefits will need be paid off after election. Is it time realese socialism?
    Vaccine cure will be found very close to election date, per his statement last week.
    Troops from Afghanistan will be home by election date ( there were 8400 when he took office, 8600 there today).

  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    The quick and dirty of the EOs is that they do NOT do what the Trumpkins and their echo chamber media purports they do. Admittedly, this thread title is probably inaccurate, though little to none of what they detail was constitutional in the first place.

    What the EOs do is:
    1) "Urge" Governors to ask FEMA for money for the unemployment funds, up to $400 per eligible recipient, with a cap on how much is available from already appropriated CARES funds remaining.
    2) DEFER payroll tax for anyone earning under $4000 per month. It does not "cut" taxes or repeal any taxes.
    3) Housing evictions and foreclosures apply only to residents with Fannie and Freddie mortgages and those receiving federal housing/rent subsidies.
    4) SUSPEND student loan payments for loans held by DoE
    Thanks for dumbing it down. He's leaving it up to the states to do it. I agree.

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It's simple, they will be deferred again and again until a Republican Congress eliminates them or Trump simply cancels them.

    Nobody is going to dare send a big bill to millions of Americans.
    I can see tons of people getting behind this. Probably a decent amount of democrats. Maybe not the congress critter dems, but the voting dems
    Last edited by tebowlives; 08-08-2020 at 06:17 PM.

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