The Future Will Not Be Kind to Any Type of Freedom Movement

[jmdrake]

I don't support H1B visas if there is appreciable talent within the nation.

So in other words you aren't serious and this entire thread is a farce.

[BSWPaulsen]

Any time a discussion of social issues dredges up "correlation does not imply causation" I simply have to face palm. People should know better.

Correlations are all that can be identified in social matters because of the simple fact numerous individuals are being discussed. Reasons for these correlations can be given, and the value of them assessed. It's a thoroughly reasonable and rational endeavor to attempt to explain the behavior of large groups of people. The likelihood of any correlation being identified as a cause of anything affecting society is effectively zero. Invariably there will be some individual, or group of individuals, that did not fit the correlation, no matter how statistically small that number remains.

This idea that a cause can be identified in social matters is, frankly, absurd, and if one is going to only accept that which can be ascertained as a cause, then they are better off simply never discussing any social matter because they will be left sorely disappointed every time. It's an asinine position to hold outside of rigorous scientific experiments, or logical exercises.

[otherone]

This idea that a cause can be identified in social matters is, frankly, absurd, and if one is going to only accept that which can be ascertained as a cause, then they are better off simply never discussing any social matter .

Sure. It's much less absurd to "accept" that which cannot be ascertained as a cause.

[oyarde]

Why allow their culture to be dragged down by mongoloid American rapists with inferior educations?

True , I do not allow my culture to be drug down by mongoloid americans or rapists .

[dannno]

You didn't answer my question. I will ask it again. Do you support H1B visas? If your concern is that immigration "dumbs down" America then you should support immigration targeted at the "best and brightest" from other countries coming to America.

If we had free markets, I would be for open immigration but I still think it is better that some smart people stay in their home country so they can work to make their country a better place. The government shouldn't be subsidizing making other countries a $#@!ty place by creating all these regulations and incentives for people to come here.

[BSWPaulsen]

Sure. It's much less absurd to "accept" that which cannot be ascertained as a cause.

If you can only accept that which can be ascertained as a cause, then save your time, and everyone else's, and don't bother discussing social matters. Causes can be identified only when all variables are controlled and accounted for, whether experimentally or logically, and this is obviously impossible for social matters.

The simple truth is you should have known better than to apply "Correlation does not imply causation" to a discussion on social matters. Such a view would render any discussion of social matters null and void, and therefore is to be summarily rejected as useless to the discussion.

Correlations, which is all any discussion concerning social matters revolves around, can be accepted or rejected by an individual according to the value they place on them. Information, even partial, can have real life value, making the discussion of social matters and those correlations a rational and practical endeavor.

That is why it is less absurd to accept that which cannot be ascertained as a cause than to demand a cause that can only be ascertained via omniscience. The former is rational, the latter is decidedly not.

[jmdrake]

If we had free markets, I would be for open immigration but I still think it is better that some smart people stay in their home country so they can work to make their country a better place. The government shouldn't be subsidizing making other countries a $#@!ty place by creating all these regulations and incentives for people to come here.

Ummmm....what? The government allowing qualified people who will NOT be on welfare to freely come here is not subsidizing anything. Good grief man you are using backwards and twisted logic! You can argue that welfare subsidizes low income workers like migrant farmers but H1B visas do not subsidize anything.

[NewRightLibertarian]

The intentional dumbing down of millennials and flooding the country with third-world immigrants, encouraging them not to assimilate, and giving them government benefits are apart of the same plan as far as I'm concerned. There is a HUGE difference of importing engineers from China and India to America and inviting people off the Middle Eastern battlefields through the Syrian refugee program into America.

[osan]

The new generation is dumber than prior generations. You hear that sound? It's the sound of the walls collapsing inward.

That's only one sound. That other one is the sucking noise made by intelligence fleeing the planet the way the residents of Tokyo fled Godzilla.

And if the intellectual ineptitude of future domestic generations don't doom us first

Oh, but it will. It will. Ga-RON-tee.

[helmuth_hubener]

Technology may be causing the human brain to atrophy.

May? May? May?

The studies and the evidence are clear: reliance on technology as a substitute for mental exertion does 100% definitely result in lowered mental function.

As does anything else which lessens mental exertion. The mind is a muscle!

This is an intra-lifespan single-person effect (i.e. you yourself become stupider), in addition to the inter-generational collapse of intelligence that is being caused by, well, fundamentally by escaping the Malthusian Trap.

[r3volution 3.0]

Considering that the OP voted for a socialist game-show host, I'm disinclined to care about his opinions.

[Ender]

Good grief.

Every older generation bemoans that the present generation is not as smart as they were. Yes, public schools are $#@! but most of the older generation can't even make sense on a computer while a lot of 3 yr olds can.

The reason that Japanese score high in intelligence is because they have mandatory music- music connects the brain, as all the arts do- AND they don't start school until 8 yrs old.

The answer is: Get gov out of education!

The public system was designed to make compliant factory workers and it has succeeded. It is this system that strives to make everyone a non-thinking part of The Machine. Stop blaming the kids and start dismantling the system.

[helmuth_hubener]

Good grief.

Every older generation bemoans that the present generation is not as smart as they were.

And during your entire life, and that of your parents, and that of your grandparents, it has been true. They bemoan this fact because it is true, it is a fact, and it is a sad fact.

This is what happens when you tax the smart and shove resources into the gaping mouths of the stupid.

Now some of us may want to shove resources into the gaping mouths of the stupid; we may like shoving resources into the gaping mouths of the stupid; we may even deeply believe it's the right and good and moral thing to do. We may be very angry and disappointed at reality for being so cruel and evil as to punish our "good" behavior with horrendous, disastrous results. "Bad reality! Go to your room!"

Or we could accept reality, learn from it, and realize that an action with ugly and horrible results cannot possibly be virtuous and lovely.

There's a bug in your morality.

[specsaregood]

Good grief.

Every older generation bemoans that the present generation is not as smart as they were. Yes, public schools are $#@! but most of the older generation can't even make sense on a computer while a lot of 3 yr olds can.

The reason that Japanese score high in intelligence is because they have mandatory music- music connects the brain, as all the arts do- AND they don't start school until 8 yrs old.

The answer is: Get gov out of education!

The public system was designed to make compliant factory workers and it has succeeded. It is this system that strives to make everyone a non-thinking part of The Machine. Stop blaming the kids and start dismantling the system.

And blaming the public schools, any of the schools or the government is bull$#@!. The blame lays squarely on the parents. I didn't learn how to be successful because of school; it was due to my parents. I went to public school, but I learned from my parents, ditto for my son.

As to the OP, meh. If the majority of this generation are going downhill, then it only means that my kid will that much more of a headstart on the competition.

[Ender]

And blaming the public schools, any of the schools or the government is bull$#@!. The blame lays squarely on the parents. I didn't learn how to be successful because of school; it was due to my parents. I went to public school, but I learned from my parents, ditto for my son.

As to the OP, meh. If the majority of this generation are going downhill, then it only means that my kid will that much more of a headstart on the competition.

Well, good on you.

I was never put into public school and was raised by very competent parents.

That said-

Realize that most parents were also raised in The Machine; they think the BS that they live in is freedom and reality. We even see that POV on the forum.

BTW- highly recommend this book:

Dumbing Us Down
by John Taylor Gatto

Describes exactly what is going on in public school, as discovered by an award-winning teacher who quit the system when he realized what it was really doing.