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Speaking of waste…
I'd like to see you tell him he's wrong.
“I have no doubt that it is a part of the destiny of the human race, in its gradual improvement, to leave off eating animals, as surely as the savage tribes have left off eating each other.”
― Henry David Thoreau
@William Tell - Thank you for taking the time to reply to my last post, point my point. I will try to get back to your post later. I spent way too much time on this site yesterday, so I'm kind of behind on things I have to do. But I do want to respond, at least to a few of the things you said.
“I have no doubt that it is a part of the destiny of the human race, in its gradual improvement, to leave off eating animals, as surely as the savage tribes have left off eating each other.”
― Henry David Thoreau
He's not wrong but he's looking at the issue from the wrong perspective...
City people consume 90+ percent of factory farmed meat AND vegetables.......By and large they cause most pollution too.....So the real problem isn't how to feed city people it's whether to feed them at all...
I vote NO.
Stop beating around the bush and trying to figure out how to carry millions of the unproductive....
I'm not sure what to say to this. I agree that they are the ones consuming most of the factory farm meat, because obviously many people don't have the opportunity to live on a farm or grow their own food. And in addition to that, there's a lot of ignorance, and that disconnect that many Americans have between what they're eating and where it came from.
My solution would be different though. I would like to just bring awareness and as you and I have talked about before, try to reach the people who would actually be responsive, when shown what they are unknowingly supporting. Maybe some would say "I don't care" but I think many people would be appalled and vote with their dollar to stop contributing to that.
You kind of touched on some other topics that would probably better for a different thread.
“I have no doubt that it is a part of the destiny of the human race, in its gradual improvement, to leave off eating animals, as surely as the savage tribes have left off eating each other.”
― Henry David Thoreau
Drats!You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Anti Federalist again.
Yer crawfishing..."not pushing for laws to change" is not the same as being in favor of them if they came down the pike.
Would your philosophy and point of view on this matter lead you to be in favor of laws restricting the banning of raising animals for meat or by-products, or would you stand in favor of individual freedom and property rights?
As to what God commanded?
Well, the way you put it there, the Almighty appears to me to be an intergalactic cop. Which means that I would more than likely comply, not because I happened to agree, or thought it was "right" or even "just", but because he is vested with an authority that I can't fully see or comprehend, he therefore has the "right" to utterly destroy me if I do not comply, just like his temporal brethren here on earth.
To a cop, to any earthly "authority" figure, we are all mindless mundanes, to be barked at and ordered about.
To spiritual authority, we're mindless sheep, "children", to be barked at and ordered about.
Same same AFAIC.
Well, it would be good for the environment to shut down all those factories and just think of all the crops we could use for food when we're not growing cotton for clothing anymore. Not to mention freeing the people in sweatshops where clothing's manufactured.
Interestingly, you'll never hear the Christian Taliban pushing that idea.
Wow, it looks like you could make an argument even more compelling than the Christian Vegans make, look at this verse.
Logically, clothing were part of the guy's possessions, he might have been a little shy about the ladies seeing him in his birthday suit, so he slunk away.21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
Perhaps this could be better translated as a non-nudist rather than rich man.23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Thank you for your comment, WT. YES! he was. I know the Bible describes his "clothing" but I think it's a mistranslation. I don't have time to clarify right now but I'll get back to you.
John 19:23 (KJV)
23 Then the soldiers, when they had crucified Jesus, took his garments, and made four parts, to every soldier a part; and also his coat: now the coat was without seam, woven from the top throughout.
I think you're on to something, clothing is allegory for righteousness
Ephesians 6:10-18
10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
Because I am a sinner, I have my fig tree leaves on.
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
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