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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    The problem with the way you use English, is that nobody knows. ...
    Wut' ?
    Where did your grammar go , out the dang window, look at that will ya , you are obviously
    attempting to be derisive, yet, you can't even put together a complete sentence....



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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    How bad is the border problem? Is there a unprecedented surge going on? Send the government man all your money and he will take care of things for you. Promise. Otherwise, you might die.

    Yale study finds illegal migrant numbers twice the accepted norm of 11 million

    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    How bad is the border problem? Is there a unprecedented surge going on? Send the government man all your money and he will take care of things for you. Promise. Otherwise, you might die.

    Zippitidudaday , has recently changed his moniker to zippitygraph, I believe I heard him
    singing this recently, '' I , I said I, I never met a graph I didn't like'///////yes I , never met a graph....
    G maj , with some occasional flats and fifths.

  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Many non-"Rednecks" have had sunburns on their necks but if you insist on this idiocy I have a word we can use instead:


    Invaders.
    I agree, The term illegal' was a kinder way for society to refer to
    illegals' it replaced the widely excepted term;
    'Wet Back', I don't think superf would like to go back to that one.
    Invaders is a good one.

  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post

    I think it also goes with the myth that they tend to hold which says that these people are breaking the law just by being here, as if their very presence is one continuous criminal act that they perpetually commit until they're not here any more..

  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    Zippitidudaday , has recently changed his moniker to zippitygraph, I believe I heard him
    singing this recently, '' I , I said I, I never met a graph I didn't like'///////yes I , never met a graph....
    G maj , with some occasional flats and fifths.
    Whats really funny about Zippys beloved graphs showing what he wants to show is that even the chart you quoted uses inconsistent definitions of "Illegal Immigrants" by $#@!ing with the way the terms are defined. Basically, oooh Illegal Immigration is high when everyone uses that specific phrase, but as soon as they are "undocumented workers", the numbers DROP, despite the number of people crossing the border going UP?

    Manipulative Win Strategy known as "Moving The Goal Post" which is one of many ways Zippy tries to hide the truth.
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Our central bank is not privately owned.

  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Which has nothing to do with anything in this thread.
    Sure! It's a picture of a mother and child!

  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    Zippitidudaday , has recently changed his moniker to zippitygraph, I believe I heard him
    singing this recently, '' I , I said I, I never met a graph I didn't like'///////yes I , never met a graph....
    G maj , with some occasional flats and fifths.
    Check out this beauty!

    [IMG]https://static01.********/images/2017/03/06/us/politics/undocumented-immigrants-1488761299397/undocumented-immigrants-1488761299397-facebookJumbo-v4.png[/IMG]

  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Sure! It's a picture of a mother and child!
    Which has nothing to do with the use of other pictures of mothers and children as part of a misleading propaganda campaign.





    Unless you are willing to admit that you are using that picture of a mother and her child as part of a misleading propaganda campaign.........................................
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Check out this beauty!

    [IMG]https://static01.********/images/2017/03/06/us/politics/undocumented-immigrants-1488761299397/undocumented-immigrants-1488761299397-facebookJumbo-v4.png[/IMG]
    Even if it's true it doesn't change anything, both are too high.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment



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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Check out this beauty!

    [IMG]https://static01.********/images/2017/03/06/us/politics/undocumented-immigrants-1488761299397/undocumented-immigrants-1488761299397-facebookJumbo-v4.png[/IMG]
    Very Nice, you should throw in an INS bus at the end of that graph, heading south of the border.

  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    Very Nice, you should throw in an INS bus at the end of that graph, heading south of the border.
    I guess you will have to bring your own bus. I don't drive.

  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Check out this beauty!

    [IMG]https://static01.********/images/2017/03/06/us/politics/undocumented-immigrants-1488761299397/undocumented-immigrants-1488761299397-facebookJumbo-v4.png[/IMG]
    Nice, you should throw in an INS BUS at the end of this graph, heading south of the border......

  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Even if it's true it doesn't change anything, both are too high.
    It will never be zero.

  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    Nice, you should throw in an INS BUS at the end of this graph, heading south of the border......
    Weird. Anybody else hearing an echo in here? The color is a nice change from the usual black. Sometimes I use white just to confuse everybody.

  19. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    Whats really funny about Zippys beloved graphs showing what he wants to show is that even the chart you quoted uses inconsistent definitions of "Illegal Immigrants" by $#@!ing with the way the terms are defined. Basically, oooh Illegal Immigration is high when everyone uses that specific phrase, but as soon as they are "undocumented workers", the numbers DROP, despite the number of people crossing the border going UP?

    Manipulative Win Strategy known as "Moving The Goal Post" which is one of many ways Zippy tries to hide the truth.
    Sounds like CNN.

  20. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    It will never be zero.
    And?

    I didn't call for it to be zero.

    Both are too high.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  21. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Weird. Anybody else hearing an echo in here? The color is a nice change from the usual black. Sometimes I use white just to confuse everybody.
    So , where is the INS BUS?



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  23. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And?

    I didn't call for it to be zero.

    Both are too high.
    What is "enough"?

  24. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    What is "enough"?
    I don't know, I'm sure there are experts who could tell you though.

    I don't have to know ho much is just right to know that the current level is too much any more than a person dying of blood loss needs to know how much blood you can lose without dying.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  25. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't know, I'm sure there are experts who could tell you though.

    I don't have to know ho much is just right to know that the current level is too much any more than a person dying of blood loss needs to know how much blood you can lose without dying.
    SO it is more than one. You agree that some illegal immigration is OK. We are now trying to decide how many. But since you don't know, it is entirely possible that we are at or below such a number already.

  26. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    SO it is more than one. You agree that some illegal immigration is OK.
    It isn't OK, it just isn't worth the effort to get it to zero.


    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    We are now trying to decide how many. But since you don't know, it is entirely possible that we are at or below such a number already.
    It is NOT possible, the current level is clearly and obviously too much.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  27. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It isn't OK, it just isn't worth the effort to get it to zero.



    It is NOT possible, the current level is clearly and obviously too much.
    What do expert say?

  28. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    What do expert say?
    They say it is too much.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  29. #55
    https://www.dallasnews.com/news/immi...ecoming-crisis

    Even as Trump tightens immigration, the U.S. labor shortage is becoming a crisis

    LINCOLN, Neb. — Roberto Rodriguez works at a meatpacking company in Nebraska's capital. For years, most of his colleagues were fellow Mexicans and Central Americans. These days, the men standing by his side increasingly are Middle Easterners.

    "We communicate through hand signals," said Rodriguez, who came here from his native state of Zacatecas. "Working with Arabs is something I never thought I'd be doing. I thought the pipeline of Mexicans was forever."

    Several times a day, his Muslim colleagues pause to pray. He finds the breaks a bit odd, even annoying, but he's willing to cut his co-workers some slack.

    "I think we Mexicans pray all the time too, especially when you work in the meat industry," he said as he made the sign of the cross. "I try to be as welcoming as possible because I think we understand rejection."

    In Lincoln, the face of immigrant labor is changing. Workers are harder to come by, and immigrant labor is no longer the exclusive domain of Mexicans and Central Americans.

    t's a dynamic playing out across the U.S.

    By 2020, the private sector will be facing a shortage of 7.5 million workers, said Ali Noorani, of the National Immigration Forum, a Washington-based think tank, citing a study by the American Action Forum, a moderate policy institute that promotes rights for immigrants. And the U.S. had the fewest newborns last year since 1978, according to a new report by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The worker shortage is only likely to get worse.

    "We are increasingly dependent on a combination of documented and undocumented workers, refugees with temporary worker status," said Noorani, author of There Goes The Neighborhood, a book that examines the changing demographics in the U.S.
    More at link.

  30. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Lies, D@#^ Lies and statistics.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment



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  32. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Lies, D@#^ Lies and statistics.
    Yeah, who needs experts and facts? Emotion sells better. Even if it is a lie.

    I don't know, I'm sure there are experts who could tell you though.

  33. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Yeah, who needs experts and facts?
    Those are not facts and they aren't from experts on legal or illegal immigration.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  34. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Those are not facts and they aren't from experts on legal or illegal immigration.
    Thank you for sharing your experts with us.

  35. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Thank you for sharing your experts with us.
    I didn't say I was going to provide you with experts, I said it didn't take an expert to know that the current level was too much.

    If you are interested you can look into these:

    https://fairus.org/about-fair

    https://www.numbersusa.com/
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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