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  1. #451
    Quote Originally Posted by johnwk View Post



    JWK

    Hey, thanks for admitting I was right, again. You know, admitting you were wrong so often might motivate you to change.



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  3. #452
    Quote Originally Posted by johnwk View Post
    What is irrefutable is, people have an inalienable right to contract with each other, and that includes adopting agreed upon rules over a geographical area [e.g., the United States of America] which people inhabit and own as individuals and in a collective manner for their common defense and general welfare. If you don't like it, pack your crap up and leave.


    JWK
    False on every account. No one can sign a contract for you. It doesn't matter what your ancestors signed. Their contract is not binding on you. Further, contracts have to be entered in willingly by all participants in order to be legitimate. If not then it is fraudulent and void.

    The US Constitution violates all these characteristics of a contract. It is forced upon you against your will. You have no ability to consent to it or not. Nor have you even had the opportunity to do so. And history has shown that any time members of the Constitution try and leave the other members will gang up and murder upwards of a million people to prevent said leaving.

    There is no way in which the US Constitution can be said to be a contract. There is no way it can even be said to be functional considering the level of violation the government commits on a daily basis, meaning if it were a contract it would be void ed by the actions of the government alone.

    Finally, nothing in the Constitution authorizes the federal government to regulate immigration.

    So you are wrong at every level.

    Oh, and you admitting that people who want liberty have no place in America? Icing on the cake.

  4. #453
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Native, locals, or, as Swordsmyth noted "cultural Americans".

    No such thing exists.

    And the demographic invaders are not using race, or more properly, ethnicity, to further their goals?

    Immigrants arebn't invaders. If you're going to be against immigration you should at least understand English better than they do.

    And no, immigrants don't give a damn about race. ITs the political parties here that do. And as long as fools like you keep feeding the race flame, voting for them whenever they shake the ooga booga race card in your face they'll keep doing it.


    I'm rather tired of reading I need to be exterminated.

    So you would rather exterminate some others? How quaint of you.

    The police state is already here, and very strong.

    And you're going to make it worse. What a copsucker.

    I'm not keen to turn into Venezuela Norte.

    Funny, from your promoting of race based Socialism I would peg you for a cultural Marxist through and through.

    Which is what you will get, if we continue to allow poor, destitute communists who have not disavowed the philosophy that got them into the mess in the first place into the country, and then whip them into an ethnic hatefest against the natives.
    Except of course that isn't what is happening. You really ought to turn off the Faux News once in a while.

  5. #454
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Oh, and you missed the point entirely, which is not surprising.

    The indigenous natives of what was to become the United States, initially traded and prospered with Europeans.

    The Wampanoag chief King Philip was the first to realize the danger of the foreign invaders, and launched what was to become known as King Philip's War in New England in 1675, when the English demanded the Indians turn in their guns as part of the earlier peace agreement signed by Philip's father, Massasoit.

    It would turn out to be an extremely deadly and bloody conflict, in proportion to population, one of the worst seen on continental soil. (Some historians claim a casualty rate higher than the Civil War)

    Broken treaties, genocides, roundups, reservations and all manner of horrors followed in the next two centuries.

    The end result was the utter and total annihilation of native Indian tribal culture and peoples, reducing a once proud people to a polite form of government incarceration and second class citizenship status.

    My family has been here since before Philip's war.

    I'd like to maybe not toss all that history and hard work and blood and treasure onto the trash heap.

    Tough to do, when you can't mount the slightest defense of your history, traditions (at this point it is critical to note that the very concept of individual liberty, of the individual being of more importance than the collective, is a "white" western European notion) and way of life, without being called a racist.

    Which is, of course, the point of framing the debate in such a way.
    Yes, and the Europeans were invaders from the very start. The very first Europeans were a militant company under charter by the British Crown the set a base colony from which to steal as much possible from the land and kill as many Natives as necessary to do it.

    Immigration on the other hand is not invasion. Mexicans don't give two craps about your culture. They only have a problem when idiots like you try and use the violence of the state to beat, cage, steal from, and kill them for the nonviolent crime of working. In a situation like that anyone would go running to the other side who offered to protect them. Like a typical Progressive though you refuse to see how liberty is the solution to this problem and instead want to militarize the border, increase the police state, and empower the government to rape, pillage, and kill millions of their life, liberty, and property.

    If your pathetic culture needs violence to exist then it isn't worth having.

  6. #455
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    You know, I'd like to hear the answer to that as well.

    If I have no stake in this operation, if I can make no claim to manage the real property of the territory know as the United States nor make any requirements on how the real property is used, then why the $#@! should I pay for it?
    Because you keep pledging allegiance and obedience to the "minarchist" state that threatens to kill you if you don't. Seriously, you've got more in common with immigrants than you think. And you just can't see it because you've bought the statist brainwashing hook, line, and sinker.

  7. #456
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  9. #457
    Ok, ok, ok......

    @PierzStyx and @Anti Federalist, you are BOTH right and you are BOTH good men.

    The problems we are facing cannot be resolved by good men smacking each other down- we can disagree but we also have to stand together.
    There is no spoon.

  10. #458
    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    Hey, thanks for admitting I was right, again. You know, admitting you were wrong so often might motivate you to change.
    Translation: You can't refute what was posted so you resort to your adolescent nonsense.


    JWK

  11. #459
    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    False on every account. No one can sign a contract for you. It doesn't matter what your ancestors signed. .

    You seem to forget you are on a geographical area where its inhabitants agreed upon a contract, long before you came along, which governs that geographical area. And that matters. If you don't like the contract then work to change it or pack you cigar box and leave.


    JWK




    "The Constitution is the act of the people, speaking in their original character, and defining the permanent conditions of the social alliance; and there can be no doubt on the point with us, that every act of the legislative power contrary to the true intent and meaning of the Constitution, is absolutely null and void. ___ Chancellor James Kent, in his Commentaries on American Law (1858)

  12. #460
    Looks like the "army" headed here has been reduced to maybe 200.

    Most are looking at options for staying in Mexico.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1HH052
    There is no spoon.

  13. #461
    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    If your pathetic culture needs violence to exist then it isn't worth having.
    And that pretty much sums it up.

    You want me and mine dead as well.

    That's where we are at, and one way or another, it will be settled.

    More than likely, your side will win.

    Sadly, like so many useful idiots and Quislings throughout history, you won't find out, until it's too late, the invaders want you dead as well.

  14. #462
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Ok, ok, ok......

    @PierzStyx and @Anti Federalist, you are BOTH right and you are BOTH good men.

    The problems we are facing cannot be resolved by good men smacking each other down- we can disagree but we also have to stand together.
    Brother, I'll stand with you any day, you know that.

    I get a firm impression from the likes of Styx however, (and outside of our little bubble, he is very much in the majority) that when my thinking becomes felonious, like it is now in Europe, he will be the first in line to report me to the Human Relations Council for arrest and re-education.

  15. #463
    Quote Originally Posted by johnwk View Post
    Translation: You can't refute what was posted so you resort to your adolescent nonsense.


    JWK
    Says teh guy whose best response is rolling their eyes. Silly little boy.

  16. #464
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Brother, I'll stand with you any day, you know that.

    I get a firm impression from the likes of Styx however, (and outside of our little bubble, he is very much in the majority) that when my thinking becomes felonious, like it is now in Europe, he will be the first in line to report me to the Human Relations Council for arrest and re-education.
    Rich coming from the bootlicking copsucking coward who is afraid of the scary Mexicans. Keep building that police state. One day it will swallow you whole.



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  18. #465
    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    Rich coming from the bootlicking copsucking coward who is afraid of the scary Mexicans. Keep building that police state. One day it will swallow you whole.
    Meh.

    Check yer head.

    That anger will swallow you first.

  19. #466
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    And that pretty much sums it up.

    You want me and mine dead as well.

    That's where we are at, and one way or another, it will be settled.

    More than likely, your side will win.

    Sadly, like so many useful idiots and Quislings throughout history, you won't find out, until it's too late, the invaders want you dead as well.
    You're an idiot. A useful idiot. But an idiot nonetheless.

    I don't want you dead. Nor do any immigrants.

    You on the other hand are the one willing to beat, cage, or kill people for the oh so *eeeeevillll* crime of being different than you. If you weren't so dangerous you would be pathetic.

    As it is you are in the process of building a giant domestic police state and turning the nation into a prison.

    And yes, if your "culture" is so weak and so sad that in order to exist it has to cage and kill those millions different then your culture is a culture opposed to the basic concepts of human liberty then it will diminish and disappear as a true culture of liberty and freedom develops in America. And the world will be better for it.

  20. #467
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Ok, ok, ok......

    @PierzStyx and @Anti Federalist, you are BOTH right and you are BOTH good men.

    The problems we are facing cannot be resolved by good men smacking each other down- we can disagree but we also have to stand together.
    There is no way to stand with someone who wants to turn the nation into a giant prison and attack the basic human liberties of every single person in the nation.

    And make no mistake, that is what AF is doing. It isn't just the millions of innocent nonviolent immigrants that will be deprived of their basic human liberties by AF's increased police state. A government with such power will eventually turn it against the citizens as well. And the sad part is that he'll praise it while it goes after Muslims or Mexicans and then be shocked when it eventually comes after him, too.

  21. #468
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Meh.

    Check yer head.

    That anger will swallow you first.
    The day I can listen to someone advocate for mass violence and oppression without being upset will be a sad day indeed.

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  23. #470
    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    There is no way to stand with someone who wants to turn the nation into a giant prison and attack the basic human liberties of every single person in the nation.

    And make no mistake, that is what AF is doing. It isn't just the millions of innocent nonviolent immigrants that will be deprived of their basic human liberties by AF's increased police state. A government with such power will eventually turn it against the citizens as well. And the sad part is that he'll praise it while it goes after Muslims or Mexicans and then be shocked when it eventually comes after him, too.
    So you've taken the side of the screeching mobs of Bolsheviks in the streets.

    And you think that will lead to freedom.

    We shall see, won't we?

  24. #471
    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    You're an idiot. A useful idiot. But an idiot nonetheless.

    I don't want you dead. Nor do any immigrants.

    You on the other hand are the one willing to beat, cage, or kill people for the oh so *eeeeevillll* crime of being different than you. If you weren't so dangerous you would be pathetic.

    As it is you are in the process of building a giant domestic police state and turning the nation into a prison.

    And yes, if your "culture" is so weak and so sad that in order to exist it has to cage and kill those millions different then your culture is a culture opposed to the basic concepts of human liberty then it will diminish and disappear as a true culture of liberty and freedom develops in America. And the world will be better for it.
    So you don't deny you'd happily call authority and report my heresy?

    And I'm the police statist?

  25. #472
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Styx is light years away from what a liberal is.

    He is a Bolshevik Culture Warrior, keen to burn down everything around him, regardless of cost, lives or bloodshed, in order to build a Utopian fantasy world.

    No different than the Communist butchers of the last century, killing millions to build the "New Soviet Man" or some such nonsense.



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  27. #473
    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    Says teh guy whose best response is rolling their eyes. Silly little boy.
    Still waiting for you to refute what I posted instead of posting adolescent comments.


    JWK

  28. #474
    Quote Originally Posted by johnwk View Post
    You seem to forget you are on a geographical area where its inhabitants agreed upon a contract, long before you came along, which governs that geographical area. And that matters. If you don't like the contract then work to change it or pack you cigar box and leave.


    JWK
    What makes a valid contract?

    A valid contract also requires the parties' consent, which must be free, mutual and communicated to each other. Consent is not free when obtained through duress, menace, fraud, undue influence or mistake. Books have been written about the complexities of those factors. Obviously, a person who signs a contract because there's a gun pointed at his head hasn't consented to the agreement and can rescind it. All cases, of course, are not that clear-cut, and the law must applied to each individual case.

    Also, consent isn't mutual unless the parties agree on the same thing in the same sense. This is often referred to as a "meeting of the minds." Generally, there's an offer and an acceptance communicated by the parties.

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    No I'm not and neither are you. No one can sign a contract for you without your consent, something you obviously cannot give before you were born. Nor is it valid when one party is threatening the other with violence if they do not agree. Meaning, even if I had signed your fantasy contract it wouldn't be valid because I am under duress and threat of violence by one of the parties involved- the US government, who will beat, cage, or kill me if I do not obey it.

    Thus there is no way the Constitution can be considered a contract or a valid contract.

    I love it when 'Muricans tell me that if I want to live free then I have to move from the country. Its an admission that America is not a free country and their ways are in opposition to basic human liberty. It also betrays the very ideals America was supposedly founded upon- namely that the US government does not get its "powers from the consent of the governed" and instead the "history of the present [US government] is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over" the people.

  29. #475
    Quote Originally Posted by johnwk View Post
    Still waiting for you to refute what I posted instead of posting adolescent comments.


    JWK
    Says the guy who has been unable to refute anything I've argued and has been reduced to just rolling his eyes and admitting ignorance.

  30. #476
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    So you don't deny you'd happily call authority and report my heresy?

    And I'm the police statist?
    Who is even talking about "reporting" anyone?

    You really are stupid. You Progressives are all the same. Instead of listening to the other side you're all too happy to project your words into their mouths to fulfill your pathetic agenda.

  31. #477
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Yep, a real liberal.


  32. #478
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Styx is light years away from what a liberal is.

    He is a Bolshevik Culture Warrior, keen to burn down everything around him, regardless of cost, lives or bloodshed, in order to build a Utopian fantasy world.

    No different than the Communist butchers of the last century, killing millions to build the "New Soviet Man" or some such nonsense.
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

    You morons can't even get me straight. Either I'm an anarchist who hates all government and wants none or I'm a Bolshevik who wants to establish an absolute authoritarian state.

    Does the contradiction hurt or do you just gloss it over with doublespeak and making words mean whatever you want them to mean when you use them?

    In any case lets review.


    Pierzstyx: Doesn't believe in socialized ownership of property, rejects authoritarian government, rejects all centralized government, believes in a nonviolent society, and believes in inherent and inalienable universal human rights.

    Antifederalist: Believes in the socialized state ownership and control of the entire country, believes in the power of the centralized state the deprive millions of their liberty for daring to look differently, speak differently, and believing differently than him, and believes in building the militarized police state necessary to track the identity, movements, and position of all humans within it necessary to deprive millions of their liberty, property, and life for nonviolent "crimes." Also is a cultural Marxist who uses identity politics as a way to identify "culture" and use the violence of the state who don't fit the identity he thinks everyone should have.


    And I'm the Bolshevik? You're the one spouting Socialist propaganda.


    What a joke. This suggests a sad truth: Either you're too stupid to know what a Bolshevik actually is or you really are just another well meaning fool serving as a useful tool by those in power to perpetuate and expand their control.

    You're also an embarrassment to the term Antifederalist as you betray all that it means and all they stood for.

  33. #479
    Antifederalist: Believes in the socialized state ownership and control of the entire country, believes in the power of the centralized state the deprive millions of their liberty for daring to look differently, speak differently, and believing differently than him, and believes in building the militarized police state necessary to track the identity, movements, and position of all humans within it necessary to deprive millions of their liberty, property, and life for nonviolent "crimes." Also is a cultural Marxist who uses identity politics as a way to identify "culture" and use the violence of the state who don't fit the identity he thinks everyone should have.


    Wanting border
    control and limits on immigration makes him all of that. OK...
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  34. #480
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    So you've taken the side of the screeching mobs of Bolsheviks in the streets.

    And you think that will lead to freedom.

    We shall see, won't we?
    Nope.

    I refuse to take part in your Left-Right Propaganda. You may be content to be a Communist- your "enemies"- or be a National Socialist -yourself- but us believers in human liberty -voluntaryists, libertarians, anarchocapitalists, agorists and more- exist totally divorced from your fantasy world or perpetual violence and state dependence.



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