Ignoring all the crazies who think an armed man who previously aimed a gun at police is not dangerous, there is a perfect consensus. As for the crazies this is definition of being eternal losers at life.
Originally Posted by Cowlesy
This is the crux of the debate. OPEN CARRY IS PERFECTLY LEGAL IN NC. The mere presence of a gun/holster/etc has no effect on whether the shooting was justified. If you look at both police videos side by side it is clear he did not have a gun in either hand. The dash cam shows his left hand was empty when he got out of the truck (plainly clear against the white paint of the truck). The body cam showed his right hand was also empty. Therefore he had no gun in his hands when he got out and when he was shot. Holstered on his leg? Perhaps. Tucked visibly in his waistband? Perhaps. Neither of which is illegal in NC or threatening unto itself. Getting to the point where we have to argue that the mere presence of a gun can possibly be called a justification for shooting someone is scary.
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So you advocate for shooting people because they have a criminal history and a gun may be in their possession? Do I have that correct? Btw, appeal to majority is a logical fallacy and ad hominem is the sign of a losing argument.
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"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
I don't advocate anything.
Yeah I figured you'd slink off after throwing bricks.
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
Then why are you here?
I do advocate.. and I will agitate if necessary.
I do consider myself an activist. (perhaps less active than I could be?)
2nd amendment brought me to the party.
Cannabis legalization is also a dear issue. Among others.
Why the phuck are you here?
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There have been a lot of people saying the video shows cops dropping a gun on the ground. The alternative theory is that they dropped some rubber gloves. As for the gun, it's supposedly next to the foot of the officer with a red shirt, who was making sure it didn't get moved.
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O.J.'s blood and hair and footprints in blood were at the scene of the crime. OJ, Nicole and Ron Goldman's blood were splattered in his OJ's Bronco. The police didn't frame OJ. They don't have vials of OJ blood, hair, and designer shoes sitting around.
I just wanted to use a 100% guilty person as an example to show how far reflexive anti-police bias goes.
OJ didn't do it.
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I suspect not. but have believed he knew who did.
I also believe the victim of stabbing was A Gold digging Drug Whore and likely brought this on herself.
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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There is a good documentary that shows it was his son that did it Jason Simpson.
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Very possible.. Also Possible was her Drug Connection making a point of her..
None of which was investigated by those charged to do so.
Instead they ran on the jumped to conclusion of a Cop that already had a personal bias.
but that's just my observation.
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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I don't advocate anything because this is a complex topic. I could if I wanted to. I already told off those who I think are wrong on this.
No.
It is not complex at all. It is quite simple.
The Police are out of control. Acting in a criminal manner.
They killed a man that was minding his own business when assaulted.
Video shows no gun in either hand at any time. I watched it. Even the Police Chief that watched it says the same.
and they are still (as usual) covering for it.
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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So far police was right and activists were wrong.
So far the pigs are murders as usual.
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Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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It's all about Freedom
since when have you started to beleive liberal CNN and San Francisco rag?
There was a gun and finger prints. With so many people around it is highly unlikely that it was placed with fingerprints and no witnesses
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Who cares if there was a gun? No one seems to want to address the fact that open carry is LEGAL IN NORTH CAROLINA. Can't believe long time members of RPF are suggesting that the mere presence of a gun is justification for police to shoot someone. Goddamn bizarro world around here lately.
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"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
I've certainly pointed out the right of all citizens to bear arms, so the mere presence of a gun does not justify shooting.
On the other hand, when a group of hired guns have the drop on you, probably best to excercise great caution.
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I saw the video. The Chief of police saw the video. There is no gun visible in either hand at any time.
I don't care about the gun,, it was not ever a factor.. It is irrelevant. it was not pointed or fired..
It was not in his hand.
They had no reason to assault the man in the first place. NONE WHATSOEVER> they were there on other business (likely nefarious).
There was no reason for any interaction with the goon squad in the first place.
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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It's all about Freedom
I know, right? This from people who claim to be liberty activists. SMFH
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Can't argue with this logic.
Chris
"Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon
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Trump is certainly drawing out Authoritarians and other closet Elitists in a spectrum of flavors.
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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It's all about Freedom
He pointed the gun at them earlier. They were going to ignore him completely.
Happens every day.Get off your meds.
He does do that. Yes, he does.
bizzro is people who have never been in either of these situations claiming what should have happened.
Like Monday morning quarterbacks.
Contrary to popular belief from anarchists,
No cop goes to work saying goes today I want to shoot a black man or any person for that matter
"Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it; no constitution, no law, no court can even do much to help it."
James Madison
"It does not take a majority to prevail ... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." - Samuel Adams
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Now this is trumps fault also......lol
"Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it; no constitution, no law, no court can even do much to help it."
James Madison
"It does not take a majority to prevail ... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." - Samuel Adams
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Dum Spiro, Pugno
Tu ne cede malis sed contra audentior ito
No- they never said he "pointed" a gun at them.
There is no spoon.
Yes, of course his own prints would be on his own gun. That does not mean he was handling it outside the car.
My prints are on my phone right now, but I have not used it since this morning.
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