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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    “Fascism will come wrapped in a flag and carrying a bible.” Sinclair Lewis (1885-1951)

    Sinclair was right. The difference between me and you is, I fully vetted that Fascist-Lib prior to the 2016 election.

    Read that quote again by Sinclair Lewis several times, and remember it well.

    That hatred is going to eat you alive. Did you vet that so-called Fascist-Lib all the way back to the 80's? Do you know about all his good deeds too? I am not sure you did.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner



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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    That hatred is going to eat you alive. Did you vet that so-called Fascist-Lib all the way back to the 80's? Do you know about all his good deeds too? I am not sure you did.
    I vetted everything concerning him as far back that was available.

    Hatred? Well, I certainly have no love for him, or anybody else who funds enemies. IE: Gates, Clinton Foundation, Hillary for U.S. Senate, Charlie Rangel, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Tom Daschle, Joe Biden and a host of others, and the new TARP which funded OWS and the Medical Industrial Complex.

    Here, this might help:

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...-On-The-Record

    With friends like that, who needs enemies. So don’t cry a river the way things are. And don’t blame others without taking personal responsibility. You gave consent, I didn’t.
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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    I vetted everything concerning him as far back that was available.

    Hatred? Well, I certainly have no love for him, or anybody else who funds enemies. IE: Gates, Clinton Foundation, Hillary for U.S. Senate, Charlie Rangel, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Tom Daschle, Joe Biden and a host of others, and the new TARP which funded OWS and the Medical Industrial Complex.

    Here, this might help:

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...-On-The-Record

    With friends like that, who needs enemies. So don’t cry a river the way things are. And don’t blame others without taking personal responsibility. You gave consent, I didn’t.
    It's quite obvious in your world, nobody can have a change of heart.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    It's quite obvious in your world, nobody can have a change of heart.
    He had plenty of opportunities to redeem himself, veto bills, at least a single one during his entire 4 years as potus, instead of increasing handouts each time he happily, proudly and braggingly handed them out.

    In my world, I stand on principle. If more people did that, we wouldn’t be taking 3 steps back time and again. Your way, freedom keeps dwindling while making excuses for it.

    And don’t tell me what I hear all of the time, that he had to contribute huge big money to socialists/communists in order to do business. If that is the case, he wasn’t fit to be president in the first place, least of all “republican”, which he isn’t.
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  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    He had plenty of opportunities to redeem himself, veto bills, at least a single one during his entire 4 years as potus, instead of increasing handouts each time he happily, proudly and braggingly handed them out.

    In my world, I stand on principle. If more people did that, we wouldn’t be taking 3 steps back time and again. Your way, freedom keeps dwindling while making excuses for it.

    And don’t tell me what I hear all of the time, that he had to contribute huge big money to socialists/communists in order to do business. If that is the case, he wasn’t fit to be president in the first place, least of all “republican”, which he isn’t.
    See how your hatred blinded you.

    -Trump Vetoed the Military Spending Bill.
    -Trump signed the biggest package of tax cuts and reforms in history. After tax cuts, over $300 billion poured back in to the U.S. in the first quarter alone.
    -Trump made sure small businesses had the lowest top marginal tax rate in more than 80 years.
    -Trump opened ANWR and approved Keystone XL and Dakota Access Pipelines.
    -Trump cut a record number of regulations hampering business to make money.
    -Trump reformed the Medicare program to stop hospitals from overcharging low-income seniors on their drugs—saving seniors hundreds of millions of dollars.
    -Trump signed Right-To-Try legislation.
    -Trump increased our coal exports by 60 percent; U.S. oil production had reached all-time high before Biden shut it all down.
    -Trump made United States a net natural gas exporter for the first time since 1957.
    -Trump withdrew the United States from the job-killing Paris Climate Accord.
    -Trump cancelled the illegal, anti-coal, so-called Clean Power Plan.
    -Trump withdrew the U.S. from the horrible, one-sided Obama Iran Deal.
    -Trump imposed tariffs on China in response to China’s forced technology transfer, intellectual property theft, and their chronically abusive trade practices.
    -Trump negotiated and reached a breakthrough agreement with the E.U. to increase U.S. exports.
    Last edited by donnay; 04-01-2021 at 06:35 AM.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    See how your hatred blinded you.

    -Trump Vetoed the Military Spending Bill.
    -Trump signed the biggest package of tax cuts and reforms in history. After tax cuts, over $300 billion poured back in to the U.S. in the first quarter alone.
    -Trump made sure small businesses had the lowest top marginal tax rate in more than 80 years.
    -Trump opened ANWR and approved Keystone XL and Dakota Access Pipelines.
    -Trump cut a record number of regulations hampering business to make money.
    -Trump reformed the Medicare program to stop hospitals from overcharging low-income seniors on their drugs—saving seniors hundreds of millions of dollars.
    -Trump signed Right-To-Try legislation.
    -Trump increased our coal exports by 60 percent; U.S. oil production had reached all-time high before Biden shut it all down.
    -Trump made United States a net natural gas exporter for the first time since 1957.
    -Trump withdrew the United States from the job-killing Paris Climate Accord.
    -Trump cancelled the illegal, anti-coal, so-called Clean Power Plan.
    -Trump withdrew the U.S. from the horrible, one-sided Obama Iran Deal.
    -Trump imposed tariffs on China in response to China’s forced technology transfer, intellectual property theft, and their chronically abusive trade practices.
    -Trump negotiated and reached a breakthrough agreement with the E.U. to increase U.S. exports.
    See how little bones blinded you?

    A few billion here and there as Shut Up money, compared to the Trillions upon Trillions in added debt, money going to the largest Corporations in the world. Those billions were negated when he initiated OWS [government has no business in healthcare or giving money to private companies], hired Gates-tied people to head it, declared a national emergency, as small/medium businesses closed their doors, putting millions out of work and/or on furlough. Now we are confronted with possible mandated jabs, vaccine passports, travel bans, etc. all because Trump could not/would not tell the American people to work with their own private physicians and not count on or rely on government/politicians. And then the "stimulus" bill which handed out a few hundred bucks to average people while biotech/pharmaceutical was awarded Billions upon Billions. And don't forget that if the case is classified/counted as "Covid", $35,000 of federal money is given out. What a way to "nationalize" medicine.

    Good trade off, don't you think?

    Yeah. If I pretended to be a republican while wanting to further the globalist goal, I would throw republican bones too. That way republicans would come back asking for more. Which they in fact are.

    Don't forget that TPTB want every man, woman and child on planet earth with bio-ID by 2030. Me thinks the American people will be more than accepting of that, now that this run has proven successful. And if you think there is still a fighting chance - about as much of a chance of Ron Paul winning the presidency in 2024, because Ron and people like me are too "extreme" when it comes to freedom and finance.

    That list that you outlined is null and void compared to the damage that has been done, and the increase of power to the globalist.

    And to even entertain the notion that TSA should or will ever be eliminated? Trump made sure that pipe-dream died. He said it himself when he spoke about Biometrics being implemented land, air and sea. And "republicans" applauded and cheered. Vaccine Passport, coming already.
    Last edited by PAF; 04-01-2021 at 07:35 AM.
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  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    See how little bones blinded you?

    A few billion here and there as Shut Up money, compared to the Trillions upon Trillions in added debt, money going to the largest Corporations in the world. Those billions were negated when he initiated OWS [government has no business in healthcare or giving money to private companies], hired Gates-tied people to head it, declared a national emergency, as small/medium businesses closed their doors, putting millions out of work and/or on furlough. Now we are confronted with possible mandated jabs, vaccine passports, travel bans, etc. all because Trump could not/would not tell the American people to work with their own private physicians and not count on or rely on government/politicians. And then the "stimulus" bill which handed out a few hundred bucks to average people while biotech/pharmaceutical was awarded Billions upon Billions. And don't forget that if the case is classified/counted as "Covid", $35,000 of federal money is given out. What a way to "nationalize" medicine.

    Good trade off, don't you think?

    Yeah. If I pretended to be a republican while wanting to further the globalist goal, I would throw republican bones too. That way republicans would come back asking for more. Which they in fact are.

    Don't forget that TPTB want every man, woman and child on planet earth with bio-ID by 2030. Me thinks the American people will be more than accepting of that, now that this run has proven successful. And if you think there is still a fighting chance - about as much of a chance of Ron Paul winning the presidency in 2024, because Ron and people like me are too "extreme" when it comes to freedom and finance.

    That list that you outlined is null and void compared to the damage that has been done, and the increase of power to the globalist.

    And to even entertain the notion that TSA should or will ever be eliminated? Trump made sure that pipe-dream died. He said it himself when he spoke about Biometrics being implemented land, air and sea. And "republicans" applauded and cheered. Vaccine Passport, coming already.
    And again, your hatred for Trump blinded you to the fact that he was in the Globalist's way and was stalling much of their plans. That's why they stole the election to get him out of the way. With the money he was saving the U.S. with tariffs, and bargaining chips with other countries to pay more, the money was being put back into the U.S..

    I also said in earlier posts that he was definitely wrong about the whole covid plannedemic--again it was used to get him out of their way. He was played like the banjo in deliverance and I believe, Trump knows it now.

    I like to give credit where credit is due. I do not believe Trump is a saint by any stretch of the imagination. If someone thinks one man will save us from the evil that surrounds us, then their in for a bigger rude awakening in the future. I will not surrender my Liberty because it doesn't come from any human.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  10. #38
    I think we can all agree that Trump is the best President of all time.

    Except for perhaps William Henry Harrison.
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
    - Kim Kardashian

    Donald Trump / Crenshaw 2024!!!!

    My pronouns are he/him/his

  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    And again, your hatred for Trump blinded you to the fact that he was in the Globalist's way and was stalling much of their plans. That's why they stole the election to get him out of the way. With the money he was saving the U.S. with tariffs, and bargaining chips with other countries to pay more, the money was being put back into the U.S..
    I don't have hatred for Trump. I have said before that I could see myself hanging out with him over a beer and having a good time.

    My disgust is with "republicans" who vote for opportunists like Trump, and idiots like Romney, Bush, etc. Each and every election, "republicans" cost me more in money and freedom. Trump accelerated it exponentially. Follow the Money. Trump, businessman, is not stupid when it comes to finances. And don't get me started on Tariffs.

    I also said in earlier posts that he was definitely wrong about the whole covid plannedemic--again it was used to get him out of their way. He was played like the banjo in deliverance and I believe, Trump knows it now.

    I like to give credit where credit is due. I do not believe Trump is a saint by any stretch of the imagination.
    Trump is a businessman, who deals with Executive Boards, Contracts, and Staffing, all of his adult life. If he didn't understand or know that he was being played by giving tax-payer money to Globalists, and hiring them onto his staff, well, I'm not stupid and I don't buy it. I myself have sat on executive boards and understand entire processes. The only ones being played are the ones making excuses for him.

    If someone thinks one man will save us from the evil that surrounds us, then their in for a bigger rude awakening in the future.
    You are correct, it does not come down to one man - it comes from the voting public, people like you, to determine policies, finances, etc, that affect the way that our communities and our country is run. You guys voted for Trump, so take personal responsibility and live with the ramifications, up to and including Biden taking it where Trump left off. Follow the Money that Trump didn't veto [Stimulus Bill, Emergency Spending Bill, Omnibus, OWS, etc].

    I will not surrender my Liberty because it doesn't come from any human.
    That's awesome! As an Agorist, I look for ways to skirt the corrupt system to preserve my own liberty and freedom. I'm a little stuck, so perhaps you will tell me a good way to travel freely with Liberty since it doesn't come from any human, or group of humans such as TSA, vaccine/other passports, or other government agency, etc. Lord knows I do not want to surrender my Liberty, nor do I want to live under a rock while on this beautiful planet, "Land, Sea and Air!"
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  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    I don't have hatred for Trump. I have said before that I could see myself hanging out with him over a beer and having a good time.

    My disgust is with "republicans" who vote for opportunists like Trump, and idiots like Romney, Bush, etc. Each and every election, "republicans" cost me more in money and freedom. Trump accelerated it exponentially. Follow the Money. Trump, businessman, is not stupid when it comes to finances. And don't get me started on Tariffs.
    I fear that you are talking past each other. Notice donnay's reasons for supporting Trump. She supports higher tariffs, she supports travel bans. She's fine with bigger, more expensive government, and less freedom for individuals, provided that growth of government and restriction of individual freedom happens in her pet causes. In fact, when it comes to those pet causes, she loves and embraces statism so thoroughly, that no amount of counteraction with additional government growth and loss of freedom in other ways outside those pet causes which she at least in theory opposes will matter as much as the bigger government she wants for those pet issues. When it comes to all those other things, she can write them off as, "nobody's perfect," and, "he had a change or heart," and, "he listened to the wrong people," etc., as long as she gets her way in those areas where she wants government to get bigger and people to be less free.

    But you're looking at this from a more consistent libertarian perspective that she simply doesn't share. To you the trade-off of, "I'll take more government in those areas where I don't want it, just as long as I can also get it in these areas where I do want it," simply isn't a trade-off at all, but a lose-lose arrangement.



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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    I don't have hatred for Trump. I have said before that I could see myself hanging out with him over a beer and having a good time.

    My disgust is with "republicans" who vote for opportunists like Trump, and idiots like Romney, Bush, etc. Each and every election, "republicans" cost me more in money and freedom. Trump accelerated it exponentially. Follow the Money. Trump, businessman, is not stupid when it comes to finances. And don't get me started on Tariffs.
    I didn't vote for an opportunist, I voted for a man who has been schooled by Birchers (Robert Welch was so right about the things that would happen to his country with complacency). Birchers know the dangers signs of the collapse of our country (Ron Paul is a Bircher, BTW). How you can put Romney/Bush in the line up is comical. I voted for Michael Badnarik instead of Bush. Romney is a total traitor and I knew that from the get-go.



    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Trump is a businessman, who deals with Executive Boards, Contracts, and Staffing, all of his adult life. If he didn't understand or know that he was being played by giving tax-payer money to Globalists, and hiring them onto his staff, well, I'm not stupid and I don't buy it. I myself have sat on executive boards and understand entire processes. The only ones being played are the ones making excuses for him.
    I am not making any excuses for Trump. As I said, I like to give credit where credit is due. He has been a blessing with regards to waking people up that have been complacent for so long.



    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    You are correct, it does not come down to one man - it comes from the voting public, people like you, to determine policies, finances, etc, that affect the way that our communities and our country is run. You guys voted for Trump, so take personal responsibility and live with the ramifications, up to and including Biden taking it where Trump left off. Follow the Money that Trump didn't veto [Stimulus Bill, Emergency Spending Bill, Omnibus, OWS, etc].
    Liberty doesn't come from any man/woman/child. What is happening is all foretold--you can mock it all you want but the signs are all around us.



    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    That's awesome! As an Agorist, I look for ways to skirt the corrupt system to preserve my own liberty and freedom. I'm a little stuck, so perhaps you will tell me a good way to travel freely with Liberty since it doesn't come from any human, or group of humans such as TSA, vaccine/other passports, or other government agency, etc. Lord knows I do not want to surrender my Liberty, nor do I want to live under a rock while on this beautiful planet, "Land, Sea and Air!"
    Our time in this current world is short. You are like so many other people who worry only about themselves and the here and now. You should be more concerned about the here-after, that's where it will really count.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by Invisible Man View Post
    I fear that you are talking past each other. Notice donnay's reasons for supporting Trump. She supports higher tariffs, she supports travel bans. She's fine with bigger, more expensive government, and less freedom for individuals, provided that growth of government and restriction of individual freedom happens in her pet causes. In fact, when it comes to those pet causes, she loves and embraces statism so thoroughly, that no amount of counteraction with additional government growth and loss of freedom in other ways outside those pet causes which she at least in theory opposes will matter as much as the bigger government she wants for those pet issues. When it comes to all those other things, she can write them off as, "nobody's perfect," and, "he had a change or heart," and, "he listened to the wrong people," etc., as long as she gets her way in those areas where she wants government to get bigger and people to be less free.

    But you're looking at this from a more consistent libertarian perspective that she simply doesn't share. To you the trade-off of, "I'll take more government in those areas where I don't want it, just as long as I can also get it in these areas where I do want it," simply isn't a trade-off at all, but a lose-lose arrangement.
    You missed the point as well. I am not for any of those things you have accused me of. Nice try.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    You missed the point as well. I am not for any of those things you have accused me of. Nice try.
    Yes you are. You stated it, and it was reply quoted. Take ownership and personal responsibility.

    Yes, Trump was a blessing, and "sent by God", according to Bill Gates, Moderna, Klaus Schwab, et al.

    Ron Paul being "sent by God", not so much, according to the above mentioned, as he never would have funded the Globalists/Pharmaceutical Corporations, hired and retained Gates' people, imposed travel bans, or not vetoed any bill put across his desk. He just wouldn't have, plain and simple. We would be freer, and less in debt.
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  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    You missed the point as well. I am not for any of those things you have accused me of. Nice try.
    You don't?

    Just in the past day in this thread you said both of the following:
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    at the time of the China-virus first appearance, he did what he had to do as far as travel bans, and I applaud him for that.
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    With the money he was saving the U.S. with tariffs, and bargaining chips with other countries to pay more, the money was being put back into the U.S..
    Last edited by Invisible Man; 04-01-2021 at 09:48 AM.

  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by Invisible Man View Post
    You don't?

    Just in the past day in this thread you said both of the following:
    They don't understand that the path to liberty is taking personal responsibility, and standing firm on principle without any wavering. We are where we are today because so many deals/trades/forgiveness/bargains with the devil.
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  19. #46
    If you pay close attention, many of the statists among us judiciously avoid using the word statism. On the one hand, their own agenda prevents them from explicitly opposing statism, and on the other hand, respect for the namesake of this forum and desire to win over libertarians to their cause prevents them from admitting they support it.

    So in place of statism, you'll notice they often refer to what they want us to see as the chief enemy as globalism, thus pulling a switcheroo on us.

    Often, especially today, you can oppose both at the same time, because statism is so often used as the tool to push globalism, and vice versa.

    But then where the problems emerge is when statism is also the tool that gets promoted as a means of slowing or counteracting globalism.

    As a libertarian, Ron Paul took the position that, "There’s nothing to fear from globalism, free trade and a single worldwide currency," with the understanding that libertarian policies, such as those he consistently and most zealously supported, would naturally promote those very causes. And he welcomed that, as long as it was only through those free-market measures that those things were advanced, and not statist alternatives. Likewise, while he fearlessly opposes statist globalists when their tools are statist ones, it is always only their statism he opposes and not their globalism per se, and he just as stridently opposes using statist means to counteract globalism like border walls, travel restrictions, and tariffs as if simply being contrary to globalism would justify their use.
    Last edited by Invisible Man; 04-01-2021 at 10:18 AM.

  20. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by Invisible Man View Post
    If you pay close attention, many of the statists among us judiciously avoid using the word statism. On the one hand, their own agenda prevents them from explicitly opposing statism, and on the other hand, respect for the namesake of this forum and desire to win over libertarians to their cause prevents them from admitting they support it.

    So in place of statism, you'll notice they often refer to what they want us to see as the chief enemy as globalism, thus pulling a switcheroo on us.

    Often , especially today, you can oppose both at the same time, because statism is so often used as the tool to push globalism, and vice versa.

    But then where the problems emerge is when statism is also the tool that gets promoted as a means of slowing or counteracting globalism.

    As a libertarian, Ron Paul took the position that, "There’s nothing to fear from globalism, free trade and a single worldwide currency," with the understanding that libertarian policies, such as those he consistently and most zealously supported, would naturally promote those very causes. And he welcomed that, as long as it was only through those free-market measures that those things were advanced, and not statist alternatives. Likewise, while he fearlessly opposes statist globalists when their tools are statist ones, it is always only their statism he opposes and not their globalism per se, and he just as stridently opposes using statist means to counteract globalism like border walls, travel restrictions, and tariffs as if simply being contrary to globalism would justify their use.

    Out of +REP
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  21. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    See how your hatred blinded you.

    -Trump Vetoed the Military Spending Bill.
    -Trump signed the biggest package of tax cuts and reforms in history. After tax cuts, over $300 billion poured back in to the U.S. in the first quarter alone.
    -Trump made sure small businesses had the lowest top marginal tax rate in more than 80 years.
    -Trump opened ANWR and approved Keystone XL and Dakota Access Pipelines.
    -Trump cut a record number of regulations hampering business to make money.
    -Trump reformed the Medicare program to stop hospitals from overcharging low-income seniors on their drugs—saving seniors hundreds of millions of dollars.
    -Trump signed Right-To-Try legislation.
    -Trump increased our coal exports by 60 percent; U.S. oil production had reached all-time high before Biden shut it all down.
    -Trump made United States a net natural gas exporter for the first time since 1957.
    -Trump withdrew the United States from the job-killing Paris Climate Accord.
    -Trump cancelled the illegal, anti-coal, so-called Clean Power Plan.
    -Trump withdrew the U.S. from the horrible, one-sided Obama Iran Deal.
    -Trump imposed tariffs on China in response to China’s forced technology transfer, intellectual property theft, and their chronically abusive trade practices.
    -Trump negotiated and reached a breakthrough agreement with the E.U. to increase U.S. exports.
    Uh....NO.

    Let's just take the Iran Deal:

    It was one of the BEST things Obama did & was a step in getting the US continually out of Iran's business & resources for the past 75+ years. I knew exactly where Trump stood politically, in his 1st campaign, by his BS prattle about Iran. Getting out of the deal, sanctioning them to death, & then killing their top military guy were all acts of war.

    And, then of course the whole pandemic. Trump called the national emergency; Trump formed the Operation Warp Speed vax, paying US money into huge world elite-backed orgs & then bragging on himself about it. YOU, as a natural health person, should have really been "woke" by that- but instead pardoned Trump because....blah...blah...blah. If it had been Obama or Biden, you'd be screaming your head off at their obvious support of Big Pharma & the NWO.

    Trump was all part of the Kabuki Theatre game to divide the country. If we were so busy hating on each other, we'd never look at the real creeps taking over the world. He was either in on it from the beginning- thus his meeting with the Clintons before his campaign- OR, TPTB understood his ego/brattiness so well, they knew just how to play him.
    There is no spoon.



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  23. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Trump was all part of the Kabuki Theatre game to divide the country.
    Why is "division" a bad thing? Is it really a good thing for a nation that is as large and diverse as this one, to be "united"?

    Unity is what got us into this mess.

    Division is how we get out of this mess.
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
    - Kim Kardashian

    Donald Trump / Crenshaw 2024!!!!

    My pronouns are he/him/his

  24. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    Why is "division" a bad thing? Is it really a good thing for a nation that is as large and diverse as this one, to be "united"?

    Unity is what got us into this mess.

    Division is how we get out of this mess.
    Neither division nor unity are ends unto themselves. Both can be tools used for good or ill. When politicians use either one of them, it's always for ill.

    In the case of division, it's just one of their many methods of fear mongering. Politicians love to pick out some subset of the population to be the boogey man, and anoint themselves as the savior to protect us from that enemy if we will just give them the power to do it. Then 4 years later, the government still has the new power, but now the other side gets to be the enemy.

  25. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by Invisible Man View Post
    Neither division nor unity are ends unto themselves. Both can be tools used for good or ill. When politicians use either one of them, it's always for ill.

    In the case of division, it's just one of their many methods of fear mongering. Politicians love to pick out some subset of the population to be the boogey man, and anoint themselves as the savior to protect us from that enemy if we will just give them the power to do it. Then 4 years later, the government still has the new power, but now the other side gets to be the enemy.
    The divisions they are "using" aren't arbitrary. There are real and significant differences between the various groups in this country, that existed long before these politicians came into office.

    If they are creating new divisions, yes, that's bad. If they're simply exposing and widening the divisions that were already there, that's a good thing.
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
    - Kim Kardashian

    Donald Trump / Crenshaw 2024!!!!

    My pronouns are he/him/his

  26. #52
    It's all scripted.

    Trump will run again and lose again.

  27. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    The divisions they are "using" aren't arbitrary. There are real and significant differences between the various groups in this country, that existed long before these politicians came into office.
    I should expand a bit out to not just politicians, but also interest groups who are tied to those politicians. But no, I don't really see it the way you put it. I think we'd generally be getting along with one another alright. Those who benefit from making enemies out of people have convinced you those differences are far bigger threats than they really are, as part of their agenda to make you believe that it's too big of a problem for you to be able to handle without their help.

    Let me ask you this, whatever those groups are out there that you think have such significant differences with you, do those significant differences actually affect you in your face to face interactions with others, or are they things that you only really notice when you see them in various media?

  28. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by Invisible Man View Post
    If you pay close attention, many of the statists among us judiciously avoid using the word statism. On the one hand, their own agenda prevents them from explicitly opposing statism, and on the other hand, respect for the namesake of this forum and desire to win over libertarians to their cause prevents them from admitting they support it.

    So in place of statism, you'll notice they often refer to what they want us to see as the chief enemy as globalism, thus pulling a switcheroo on us.

    Often, especially today, you can oppose both at the same time, because statism is so often used as the tool to push globalism, and vice versa.

    But then where the problems emerge is when statism is also the tool that gets promoted as a means of slowing or counteracting globalism.

    As a libertarian, Ron Paul took the position that, "There’s nothing to fear from globalism, free trade and a single worldwide currency," with the understanding that libertarian policies, such as those he consistently and most zealously supported, would naturally promote those very causes. And he welcomed that, as long as it was only through those free-market measures that those things were advanced, and not statist alternatives. Likewise, while he fearlessly opposes statist globalists when their tools are statist ones, it is always only their statism he opposes and not their globalism per se, and he just as stridently opposes using statist means to counteract globalism like border walls, travel restrictions, and tariffs as if simply being contrary to globalism would justify their use.
    ron would be talking about gold as currency , not what i think the rest of the world has in mind so no , i will not be interested in whatever they might like for a single worldwide currency.
    Do something Danke

  29. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    ron would be talking about gold as currency
    Gold as currency = globalism.

    And for Ron, that is precisely one of the selling points of gold as currency.

  30. #56
    I blame him for losing the senate in Georgia, and his terrible behavior in the last year
    really set back conservatism for a long time. We are in this predicament because of his own flaws.



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  32. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by Snowball View Post
    I blame him for losing the senate in Georgia, and his terrible behavior in the last year
    really set back conservatism for a long time. We are in this predicament because of his own flaws.
    I think rather than setting back conservatism, it's more that he revealed how empty the word has become, or maybe was all along.

    When I first started getting interested in politics, I saw conservatism as some kind of mix of fiscal restraint with traditional social values, and I saw it as a misnomer, since I advocated those things and believe that I wanted dramatic change in our nation's policies, rather than conservation of the status quo.

    But more and more I've come to see that "conservative" really isn't a misnomer after all. And what the conservative movement really is all about is conservation of the status quo. It has no core values that stay the same over time. It merely opposes the changes the so-called liberals push, until after those changes get implemented, at which point conservatives switch gears to wanting to keep the programs they used to oppose in place while they now oppose the next change to come down the pike. Trump successfully tapped into that accurately named style of conservatism and revealed it for what it is.
    Last edited by Invisible Man; 04-01-2021 at 01:15 PM.

  33. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by Invisible Man View Post
    Let me ask you this, whatever those groups are out there that you think have such significant differences with you, do those significant differences actually affect you in your face to face interactions with others, or are they things that you only really notice when you see them in various media?
    I do notice significant differences. I used to travel a lot and the differences are very apparent in the various locations across the country.

    I get along with them just fine, but that doesn't make any of the differences between us any less significant. Politically/ideologically they are horrible people who I have nothing in common with, and they do affect me through their voting behavior.
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
    - Kim Kardashian

    Donald Trump / Crenshaw 2024!!!!

    My pronouns are he/him/his

  34. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    The divisions they are "using" aren't arbitrary. There are real and significant differences between the various groups in this country, that existed long before these politicians came into office.

    If they are creating new divisions, yes, that's bad. If they're simply exposing and widening the divisions that were already there, that's a good thing.
    It's not being, or thinking, different that's bad- it's the constant hate & vilifying of others that is the problem. Real freedom means exactly that- we are ALL free. This Great Reset Divisive Plan is for each side to think that only they are right & that everyone else needs to succumb or be blown off the planet.
    Last edited by Ender; 04-01-2021 at 03:20 PM.
    There is no spoon.

  35. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    It's not being, or thinking, different that's bad- it's the constant hate & vilifying of others that is the problem. Real freedom mens exactly that- we are ALL free. This Great Reset Divisive Plan is for each side to think that only they are right & that everyone else needs to succumb or be blown off the planet.
    Many divorces are triggered by some fight/anger.

    Obviously a divorce based on mutual respect is better.

    At this point I don't much care however - I just want a $#@!ing divorce.
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
    - Kim Kardashian

    Donald Trump / Crenshaw 2024!!!!

    My pronouns are he/him/his

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