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    The Return Of Eugenics? Tennessee Judge Issues Sterilization Program For Inmates

    A Tennessee judge is gaining national media attention for his unique incentive offered to inmates upon sentencing: convicts can undergo a free taxpayer funded sterilization procedure and get a 30 day reduction in jail time. Dozens have already taken advantage of the program since Judge Sam Benningfield of White County signed a standing order in May which offers vasectomies for men and a less permanent birth control implant, called Nexplanon, for women. Currently, 38 male and 32 female inmates are signed up for the program which the county district attorney is now seeking to get shut down.
    Judge Benningfield described the arrangement's purpose as "breaking a vicious cycle of repeat offenders who constantly come into his courtroom on drug related charges, subsequently can’t afford child support and have trouble finding jobs." The Tennessee Department of Health has reportedly given its approval for the local county program, which is now receiving fierce push back at the local and national levels, prompting a statement from the ACLU, which called an environment of coerced or legally pressured contraception and sterilization "unconstitutional" as a violation of basic individual rights.
    White County District Attorney Bryant Dunaway has instructed his staff of prosecutors not to enter into any agreement related to Benningfield's program, and told local Channel 5 News that, "It’s comprehensible that an 18-year-old gets this done, it can’t get reversed and then that impacts the rest of their life." Local news presented the judge as innovative and benevolent, merely looking out for the community's interests, yet the endeavor is really nothing new. It actually hearkens back to a dirty little secret of the Progressive Era in America which rarely makes it into school textbooks: states once forced mass sterilization upon tens of thousands of citizens deemed "unfit" to produce families in a nation wide Eugenics movement that Hitler himself learned from.

    More at: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-0...rogram-inmates
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    Excellent program, but what we really need to do is move it out of the jails and integrate it in to Department of Children and Families. Proponents call it "Stacks for Sterilization" and basically it amounts to cash payments on the spot to anyone who comes in for permanent sterilization and payouts vary according to criteria (younger people get the most).

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    Welfare prerequisite.

    And that absolutely includes government 'employment'...

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    No, no, no. Government should never coerce anyone to sterilize.
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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    No, no, no. Government should never coerce anyone to sterilize.
    Eugenicists are ensconce throughout our nation and our government. This is nothing new.



    The logo from the Second International Congress of Eugenics, 1921, depicts eugenics as a tree whose roots are various fields of medicine and science. “Eugenics,” it proclaims, “is the self direction of human evolution.” About the illustration


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    Im opposed to government forced/coerced sterilization. However, I'm in favor of the normalization, culturally, of voluntary sterilization.

    I work in criminal defense and most of our clients have children, usually 4+ with multiple different people. Sometimes its the huge support payments which lead to the perceived need to commit the crime. I don't think we're going to change cultural norms quickly enough to help the next generations raised in poverty and single parent homes. I really don't know the solution.
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    The Nanny State discourages marriage in the way it uses entitlements to engineer social change. It happens among elderly, law-abiding people. Their SS benefits are cut when they remarry.

    End the Nanny State and a lot of this goes away. "As of Jan 1, 2020 [whatever], welfare will end. If you bear a child, you will get no money." End of story. We have to stop the legacy of poverty. In a normal society poverty is in a state of flux. People drop in and can work their way out. When the state intervenes, there are generations in poverty. It's time to see we are spending a truckload of money on something that does not work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    The Nanny State discourages marriage in the way it uses entitlements to engineer social change. It happens among elderly, law-abiding people. Their SS benefits are cut when they remarry.

    End the Nanny State and a lot of this goes away. "As of Jan 1, 2020 [whatever], welfare will end. If you bear a child, you will get no money." End of story. We have to stop the legacy of poverty. In a normal society poverty is in a state of flux. People drop in and can work their way out. When the state intervenes, there are generations in poverty. It's time to see we are spending a truckload of money on something that does not work.
    That's right, from the point of view of the slum rats they have no reason to practice abstinence or get sterilized if Uncle Sugar will give them more money for every kid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonhowe View Post
    Im opposed to government forced/coerced sterilization. However, I'm in favor of the normalization, culturally, of voluntary sterilization.

    I work in criminal defense and most of our clients have children, usually 4+ with multiple different people. Sometimes its the huge support payments which lead to the perceived need to commit the crime. I don't think we're going to change cultural norms quickly enough to help the next generations raised in poverty and single parent homes. I really don't know the solution.
    Ending welfare and letting your clients and their children die in the streets is the best solution. But until we get there, offering sterilization for reduction in sentence, and more importantly, offering regular welfare recipients cash bonuses in order to sterilize themselves is the best possible policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonPaulMall View Post
    Ending welfare and letting your clients and their children die in the streets is the best solution. But until we get there, offering sterilization for reduction in sentence, and more importantly, offering regular welfare recipients cash bonuses in order to sterilize themselves is the best possible policy.
    I disagree.
    The more prohibitions you have,
    the less virtuous people will be.
    The more weapons you have,
    the less secure people will be.
    The more subsidies you have,
    the less self-reliant people will be.

    Therefore the Master says:
    I let go of the law,
    and people become honest.
    I let go of economics,
    and people become prosperous.
    I let go of religion,
    and people become serene.
    I let go of all desire for the common good,
    and the good becomes common as grass.

    -Tao Te Ching, Section 57

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonhowe View Post
    Im opposed to government forced/coerced sterilization. However, I'm in favor of the normalization, culturally, of voluntary sterilization.
    Aren't we already there? My husband had a vasectomy and no one seemed to think it was a big deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    My husband had a vasectomy
    I can think of several reasons but I won't lead you to any of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    Aren't we already there? My husband had a vasectomy and no one seemed to think it was a big deal.
    He already has kids tho.

    I don't think voluntary sterilization is a good idea for younger people who don't have kids, they will probably want some when they get older. They can get it if they want, but I wouldn't promote it. Those 5 year IUD things that women use might be ok, but should probably be more thoroughly tested for side effects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RonPaulMall View Post
    Excellent program, but what we really need to do is move it out of the jails and integrate it in to Department of Children and Families. Proponents call it "Stacks for Sterilization" and basically it amounts to cash payments on the spot to anyone who comes in for permanent sterilization and payouts vary according to criteria (younger people get the most).
    Wrong site, wrong movement, bro.
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    This judge must go. Worthless fascist scumbag.
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
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    I could quite easily get behind sterilization being a prerequisite to suck a check from any alphabet agency...

    Start with the DOJ, FBI, ATF and CIA.......

    Their children too!

    Can't permit the leech gene to propagate....



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    I just want the robot overlords to take over already so we don't have to deal with this madness. I'd make a good pet, I think.
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