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Thread: Was Reagan the worst President in US history?

  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by tebowlives View Post
    More like, "I forgot where I put my beer".

    The problem with Reagan was the debt and spending. Others not keeping their word isn't as bad as your guy not keeping their word.

    When the budget is looked at as a share of the economy, Reagan’s legacy looks a bit better from a small government perspective. Federal revenues as a share of gross domestic product fell from 19.6 percent in 1981 to 18.3 percent by 1989. Spending fell from 22.2 percent to 21.2 percent. Thus, Ronald Reagan shrank the federal government by about 5 percent — a less radical change than supporters or detractors often claim.
    Budgets originate in the House. The Dems had 100+ vote majorities in the House. https://history.house.gov/Institutio...ns/74-Present/

    It is a popular talking point to $#@! on Reagan for spending but what should Reagan have done? Point a gun at their heads and start executing people until they voted to cut spending. He pushed a balanced budget amendment that got voted down. https://www.washingtonpost.com/archi...-a4a88859a595/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/archi...-b1282af03a52/

    Reagan vetoed numerous spending bills https://www.nytimes.com/1982/06/26/u...1-billion.html https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-...748-story.html

    The reality is Reagan did a great job on spending relative to the circumstances. That is in contrast to Trump who had a Republican House and Senate majorities.
    Last edited by Krugminator2; 02-07-2021 at 10:11 AM.



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    The Iran-Contra tale was much worse than what Bonesman John Kerry cooked up.
    The "Iran" side of the equation is that the Bush-Reagan team promised Iran arms to keep the American hostage drama going until Reagan would be elected president.

    The Contras were helping Bush and Reagan to flood the US with cocaine, which led to the crack epidemic that destroyed black neighbourhoods in all major American cities.

    The following picture shows from right to left Ronald Reagan, Oliver North, Adolfo Calero (CIA operative installed as FDN commander) on 4 April 1985.


    In the following picture are Adolfo Calero (centre) and drug lord Norwin Meneses on the far right, around June 1984



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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    Budgets originate in the House. The Dems had 100+ vote majorities in the House. https://history.house.gov/Institutio...ns/74-Present/

    It is a popular talking point to $#@! on Reagan for spending but what should Reagan have done? Point a gun at their heads and start executing people until they voted to cut spending. He pushed a balanced budget amendment that got voted down. https://www.washingtonpost.com/archi...-a4a88859a595/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/archi...-b1282af03a52/

    Reagan vetoed numerous spending bills https://www.nytimes.com/1982/06/26/u...1-billion.html https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-...748-story.html

    The reality is Reagan did a great job on spending relative to the circumstances. That is in contrast to Trump who had a Republican House and Senate majorities.
    He should have vetod increased spending like he said he would.
    Not ask for more foreign aid money than what Congress was initially wanting to give out.
    Said he would end the Department of Energy and didn't.
    Said the same thing about the Dept of Education and that departments budget more than doubled.

    Reagan keeping Volcker was a good move
    Last edited by tebowlives; 02-07-2021 at 05:24 PM.

  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by tebowlives View Post
    He should have vetod increased spending like he said he would.
    Not ask for more foreign aid money than what Congress was initially wanting to give out.
    Said he would end the Department of Energy and didn't.
    Said the same thing about the Dept of Education and that departments budget more than doubled.

    Reagan keeping Volcker was a good move
    The doubled the Department of Education was a talking point related to W. bush not Reagan.

    Foreign aid makes up zero percent of the budget.

    The Department of Energy oversees the nuclear arsenal. Worth noting Reagan the peace president negotiated the mutual disarmament of nukes with the Soviets that remains in effect today.

    He vetoed numerous spending bills and spending as a share of gdp was lower when he left office than when he took office.
    Last edited by Krugminator2; 02-07-2021 at 05:39 PM.

  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    The doubled the Department of Education was a talking point related to W. bush not Reagan.
    I rechecked. It was closer to 40% 14.1 bil to 19.5 bil in 1987

    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    Foreign aid makes up zero percent of the budget.
    It is the tax payers money. it's being spent.

    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    The Department of Energy oversees the nuclear arsenal. Worth noting Reagan the peace president negotiated the mutual disarmament of nukes with the Soviets that remains in effect today.
    So who did it before 1977? It couldn't have been done without the D of Energy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    He vetoed numerous spending bills and spending as a share of gdp was lower when he left office than when he took office.
    "federal spending as percent of GNP in 1980 as 21.6%, and after six years of Reagan, 24.3%. A better comparison would be percentage of federal spending to net private product, that is, production of the private sector. That percentage was 31.1% in 1980, and a shocking 34.3% in 1986"
    https://mises.org/library/reagan-fraud-and-after

    Public debt went from 25 to 41% from 1980-88


    He added 250,000 new civilian government employees,

  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    I'm pretty sure Wilson,LBJ, Obama, and Biden are all worst than Reagan.
    By a landslide .
    Do something Danke

  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    The following article argues that Bill Barr is the “deep state fixer” Donald Trump found to take the place of Roy Cohn (an even more impressive cover-up artist than Robert Mueller or John Kerry?)…
    It contains references to some of the interesting books that I’ve posted about before.

    When George Bush Sr. became Director of the CIA in 1976, William Barr was already in the CIA’s legal office.
    Bush promptly brought back assassinations manager Theodore Shackley along with Shackley’s deputy Thomas Clines. Men like Felix Rodriguez had served under Shackley as he ran the opium-growing projects in Laos and the Operation Phoenix mass murder project in Vietnam

    William Barr joined helped Bush to stonewall the congressional investigation into the CIA following Watergate, led by Sen. Frank Church and Rep. Otis Pike. On George Bush’s recommendation, in 1977 Barr was hired as clerk to Federal Circuit Court Judge Malcolm Wilkey.

    See from right President Ronald Reagan, William P. Barr, and Attorney General Edwin Meese, at the White House, 1983.
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  10. #38
    I don't think you can choose the worst or the best, but you can analyze the activity. And this is not an indicator

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