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    Clashes erupt between Armenia and Azerbaijan




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    beat me to it.

    https://www.npr.org/2020/09/27/91748...isputed-region

    The conflict is the latest eruption of violence in a decades-long dispute over the region, which lies within the borders of Azerbaijan but is controlled by ethnic Armenian forces. Both countries have reported military and civilian deaths as of Sunday afternoon.

    Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, whose nation shares a border with Armenia, reinforced his country's support for longtime ally Azerbaijan in a series of tweets, in which he called Armenia "the biggest threat to peace and tranquility in the region."
    Last edited by Pauls' Revere; 09-27-2020 at 12:56 PM.

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    Azerbaijan, Armenia declare martial law after clashes kill at least 16 military members

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...?ocid=msedgntp

    The two countries, both former Soviet republics, experienced their heaviest clash since 2016 on Sunday over Nagorno-Karabakh, a disputed territory that is inside Azerbaijan but run by ethnic Armenians, Reuters reported.

    Armenia accused Azerbaijan of an air and artillery strike on the area, with Nagorno-Karabakh saying 16 of its military members were killed and more than 100 were wounded in the attack. Armenian activists also said an ethnic Armenian woman and child were killed.

    Armenia also said Azeri troops attacked civilian targets, prompting Armenia to vow for a "proportionate response."

    Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan tweeted the decision for Armenia to declare martial law after the strike.

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  5. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls' Revere View Post
    beat me to it.

    https://www.npr.org/2020/09/27/91748...isputed-region

    The conflict is the latest eruption of violence in a decades-long dispute over the region, which lies within the borders of Azerbaijan but is controlled by ethnic Armenian forces. Both countries have reported military and civilian deaths as of Sunday afternoon.

    Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, whose nation shares a border with Armenia, reinforced his country's support for longtime ally Azerbaijan in a series of tweets, in which he called Armenia "the biggest threat to peace and tranquility in the region."
    Turkey is the biggest threat to peace and tranquility in the region.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Turkey is the biggest threat to peace and tranquility in the region.
    The Turks & Armenians have a bad history.

    https://www.britannica.com/event/Armenian-Genocide
    Last edited by Pauls' Revere; 09-27-2020 at 06:02 PM.

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    They appear to be on the verge of all out war, real war, like we haven't seen for decades.

    Neither little state has nuclear weapons, so they have to fight a real war.

    Tanks have been blown up, soldiers have been killed.

    Armenia is beginning total mobilization.

    Despite disagreements, Russia, at the end of the day, will support the Armenians against the Turks.

    Even after a century of bolshevism, the Russians haven't forgotten their obligations with respect to Middle Eastern Christians.
    Last edited by r3volution 3.0; 09-27-2020 at 09:50 PM.

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    Is it safe to say that Erdogan is most destructive leader in the World today?

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    They appear to be on the verge of all out war, real war, like we haven't seen for decades.

    Neither little state has nuclear weapons, so they have to fight a real war.

    Tanks have been blown up, soldiers have been killed.

    Armenia is beginning total mobilization.

    Despite disagreements, Russia, at the end of the day, will support the Armenians against the Turks.

    Even after a century of bolshevism, the Russians haven't forgotten their obligations with respect to Middle Eastern Christians.
    Proxy war # 54.87692

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    Great a historical ethnic war.

    https://www.npr.org/2020/09/28/91782...full-blown-war

    A simmering conflict on Russia's volatile southern border is threatening to escalate into an all-out war, with the potential of drawing in NATO ally Turkey.

    Fighting continued for a second day in the disputed Nagorno-Karabakh region, claimed by Armenians as well as by Azerbaijanis. Dozens of service members on both sides have been reported killed in a flare-up of violence that began Sunday morning. The ethnic Armenian majority in the region fought a bloody war of secession from Azerbaijan as the Soviet Union fell apart three decades ago. A tense cease-fire — but no lasting peace — has since kept tensions high in the Caucasus, an area where Russia, Turkey and Iran have historically competed.

    International mediation is formally in the hands of a group co-chaired by France, Russia and the United States. Russia, the dominant power in the region for 200 years, carries the most clout. It has a defense pact with Armenia and a military base in the landlocked country, but the Kremlin also maintains good relations with Azerbaijan. Turkey's relations with Armenia are clouded by the Ottoman Empire's 1915 mass killing of Armenians, which many historians have described as genocide. Turks and Azeris share ethnic kinship, and ties between Turkey and Armenia have been frozen because of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict.

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    A Su-25 jet of the Armenian Air Force was shot down by a Turkish F-16 fighter in the airspace of the Republic of Armenia, Spokesperson for the Armenian Defense Ministry Shushan Stepanyan informs.

    F-16 fighter jets belonging to the Air Force of the Republic of Turkey took off from Ganja Airport of the Republic of Azerbaijan at 10:30 am today and were assisting SU-25 fighters and Turkish-made Bayraktar UAVs in the missile strikes on Vardenis, Mets Masrik, Sotk regions of the Vardenis region of Armenia.

    During this period, the air defense units were performing fire support tasks for the air defense units of the RA Armed Forces.

    During the air-to-air battles the F-16 multifunctional fighter of the Air Force of the Republic of Turkey struck the SU-25 jet of the Armenian Air Force in the airspace of the Republic of Armenia.

    The pilot was killed in the attack.

    More at: https://en.armradio.am/2020/09/29/ar...-f-16-fighter/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    A Su-25 jet of the Armenian Air Force was shot down by a Turkish F-16 fighter in the airspace of the Republic of Armenia, Spokesperson for the Armenian Defense Ministry Shushan Stepanyan informs.

    F-16 fighter jets belonging to the Air Force of the Republic of Turkey took off from Ganja Airport of the Republic of Azerbaijan at 10:30 am today and were assisting SU-25 fighters and Turkish-made Bayraktar UAVs in the missile strikes on Vardenis, Mets Masrik, Sotk regions of the Vardenis region of Armenia.

    During this period, the air defense units were performing fire support tasks for the air defense units of the RA Armed Forces.

    During the air-to-air battles the F-16 multifunctional fighter of the Air Force of the Republic of Turkey struck the SU-25 jet of the Armenian Air Force in the airspace of the Republic of Armenia.

    The pilot was killed in the attack.

    More at: https://en.armradio.am/2020/09/29/ar...-f-16-fighter/
    Seems NATO can't control its members very well, much like the UN.

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    The US will probably try to get involved in this somehow.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    The US will probably try to get involved in this somehow.
    "We're needed for regional stability to counterweight Russia" -

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    The US will probably try to get involved in this somehow.
    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls' Revere View Post
    "We're needed for regional stability to counterweight Russia" -
    I doubt it, Trump doesn't like the Mad Sultan and we are preparing to leave Incirlik:

    US prepares to quit strategic Incirlik air base

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    Groucho Marx

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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I doubt it, Trump doesn't like the Mad Sultan and we are preparing to leave Incirlik:

    US prepares to quit strategic Incirlik air base
    https://taskandpurpose.com/military-...llion-fielding

    it could be the place where they test out our LASER battalion.

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    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...?ocid=msedgdhp

    The president of the contested Nagorno-Karabakh region warned citizens in large cities of Azerbaijan Sunday to leave to avoid "inevitable loss" after he said Azerbaijan targeted civilians in the region's main city of Stepanakert the last couple of days.

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  20. #17
    Hurry! Democracy everywhere is threatened!


    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...?ocid=msedgntp

    Azerbaijan's assault against Armenia threatens Democracy everywhere

    Azerbaijan and Turkey have been working strategically to influence international public opinion, especially the United States, Israel and Europe. Azerbaijan's nefarious foreign dealings were recently exposed by an Organized Crime and Corruption Reporting Project (OCCRP) investigation into the "Azerbaijani laundromat," an extensive money laundering operation that saw Azerbaijan funnel over $2.9 billion dollars between 2012 and 2014 alone into foreign shell corporations to buy favor among international institutions, politicians, lobbyists and journalists. UNESCO and the European Parliament were extensively targeted, and recent reports have surfaced from Israel of the transfer of a significant amount of funds from the state-owned Israeli Aerospace Industries to a laundromat-linked account after a $5 billion contract was signed between the two.
    Last edited by Pauls' Revere; 10-10-2020 at 01:50 PM.

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    Update: A proxy war with Russia and a NATO ally.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...?ocid=msedgntp

    Why Russia is threatening military intervention against Azerbaijan and Turkey

    Russia is threatening military intervention if Azerbaijan refuses to enjoin a lasting cease fire in its ongoing conflict with Armenia. In a statement, the Russian foreign ministry warned that "Russia will render [Armenia] all necessary assistance if clashes take place directly on [its] territory."

    Centered on the disputed territory of Nagorno-Karabakh, the conflict has been raging since late September. Until now, however, Russia has played a passive role. Vladimir Putin's government has sought to broker a durable cease fire, even cooperating with the European Union and Washington in that pursuit. Unfortunately, none of these ceasefires has held for more than a few hours. Russia's new announcement is designed to alter that equation, with particular focus on Turkey.

    Motivated by a longstanding hatred for Armenia, and by a desire to advance an Islamist imperial leadership narrative, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan is fueling Azerbaijan's military efforts. Since the fighting began, Erdogan has provided Azerbaijan with direct and indirect military support, including intelligence, drones, arms, and the deployment of Turkish-led militias. Where cease fire talks have been underway, Erdogan has pressured Azerbaijan to continue fighting and increase pressure on Armenia. This has prevented the stabilization of conditions on the ground and led to growing civilian suffering.

    This Turkish obstinacy has aggravated Putin. Russia has good relations with both Armenia and Azerbaijan, and does not want an out of control war raging on its southern border. Making his displeasure clear, Putin last week had the Russian air force bomb a Turkish militia position in Syria. Dozens of fighters were killed. It was a message: keep up your conflict stoking, and I will make you pay for it. Moscow's latest warning of military intervention in Armenia's support is a follow-on red line to Erdogan. In effect, Putin is saying that unless Turkey backs off from fueling the conflict, Russia will pummel Erdogan into an embarrassing climb down. Putin is gambling, likely correctly based on prior experience, that Erdogan will take note of his anger and back down. When it comes to the crunch point, the Turkish leader has shown a reluctance to go eyeball-to-eyeball with the ex-KGB man.

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