I'm pretty sure I know. Now how about your hypocrisy.Originally Posted by Ender
Yes. The point is to remind the jackasses calling Trump supporters all kinds of names like Trumpaloozas, etc., that the same once was done to us and we didn't like it.
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You have totally drunk the Trump Kool-aid and you're being a jackass yourself. Trump has flip flopped multiple times on immigration. He only changed his stance on gun control to run for the GOP nomination. And I'm "dishonest" for pointing that out? Quit trolling. Some Trump supporters are alright. You aren't one of them.
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"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/rnc-...-could-change/Republican National Committee member Randy Evans gave an inside look into what the RNC’s Rules Committee may consider when they meet in April. ...
... here are a few rules changes that they may consider:...
- Unbinding the delegates. We wrote about this earlier this month, this move basically allows the delegates to vote for who they want to (even in the first round of balloting). They would not be forced to vote based upon who wins the primary/caucus in their state. Evans believes that change would be unlikely to pass.
- Potential Change to Rule 40. The rule requires a candidate to win the majority of the delegates from eight different states in order to win the nomination. The rules committee could change that to five or even three states. That would give the other candidates a better chance of getting their names called out during the nomination.
- Pledging delegates. This is a really interesting one. This would allow candidates (say John Kasich) to pledge their bound delegates to other candidates (um, say, Ted Cruz.) Evans told the AJC that he would oppose that rule, because it would reduce the clout of individual delegates.
He didn't mention (or they didn't report) Haugland's proposal to change rule 40.
Amending my list in post #59:
Peter Feaman - favors changing 8 state requirement back to 5 states
Diana Orrock - favors no change
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/run...oor-tug-of-war
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done to 'US'?...maybe myself. I was a State Delegate for Ron, and getting some ignorant term foisted on 'US' by you is sad sad sad....
former mod LE...geez.....You have ZERO credibility in here LE....just thought you should know.
This is the height of the problems of Rand circa 2013-2016 if he were to go along with this.
"Let's screw over the choice of 12 million (projected) Republican primary voters just so I get to have another speech and Chuck Todd and others will tell me how smart I am."
BOWLING GREEN, Kentucky – Washington liberals are trying to push through the so-called DREAM Act, which creates an official path to Democrat voter registration for 2 million college-age illegal immigrants.
Rand Paul 2010
Booker T. Washington:
Cast it down among the eight millions of Negroes whose habits you know, whose
fidelity and love you have tested in days when to have proved treacherous meant the ruin of your firesides.
Which Randall are you a fan of?
"The Patriarch"
All modern revolutions have ended in a reinforcement of the power of the State.
-Albert Camus
At this point, the 12 million are dissed in either direction, with or without Rand making a play. If Trump is made the Republican nominee, an independent conservative candidate is expected to run (say in Texas and a few other states) to beat him in the fall, throwing the election to Hillary with the full blessing of the GOP elite. If Trump has the most delegates but loses in an open convention, the voters will be disenfranchised regardless of who they chose in the primary season. The GOP will face a crack-up moment this summer, whether the candidate is Trump or someone else.
Rand's task is to create leverage for himself, so as to provide a compelling reason why the convention should select him in July if the con is open. I have suggested he go to Orlando in late May and seek the LP nomination, since he is the only Republican from the 2016 field who could manage to. Upon winning it, he could then point out to the GOP delegates (who will be mostly rank and file people, not the kingmaker elite) they can either choose him and unify the anti-HIllary vote, or pick somebody else and lose a split election. Repeat, this would be the rank and file's call, not the elite's---and under this scenario, I think they would choose Rand.
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JMO but, if Rand were to seek the LP nomination, he would alienate a significant part of the rank and file GOP delegates. If he wants to make headway with the GOP, that would be a huge mistake.
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Rand is not making headway now--the outlined scenario gives him the leverage to do so. Under the current situation, where the establishment itself is floating supporting a third party candidate, there is no basis for then criticizing a Republican who does. And notice that the two most successful candidates in the current race strongly alienate a fraction of the rank and file.
Apart from some real engagement or outreach to build a winning coalition, Rand never had a realistic pathway for making headway. The only way a national liberty candidate is going to succeed in a largely non-liberty GOP, it does appear after three straight tries, is to seize upon opportunities and trends that create a real reason for people to vote that way, even if it alienates some others in the process.
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Don't forget that the "establishment" doesn't care who is in the White House as long as they play ball. If they don't play ball, unfortunate things happen.
My hunch is Rand would not play ball - not in the big games where it counts.
First, you don't speak for the entire forum, second, I could care less. You seem to think this is a popularity contest and that is just one of your problems.
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Coming from you, that is a compliment. Thanks.
Yes, over the years, he changed his view on ILLEGAL immigration. So, did Ron Paul, by the way.
"Gun control" too, with regard to "assault weapons". He has discussed why he changed in regard to them, many times. But, you do realize that his sons are avid hunters and at least Don Jr. has been a long-time NRA members. Eric is a member too and I think Donald is too and has been for awhile.
Is that all a ruse? Doubtful, but possible. Don't care. He's the only one who will stop the illegal alien invasion of our country and the HORRIBLE trade deals. That's more than any of the others and those things are crucial.
Have a nice day, hear?
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Cultural Marxism: The Corruption of America
The Property Basis of Rights
First, you don't speak for the entire forum, second, I could care less. You seem to think this is a popularity contest and that is just one of your problems..
have a nice day...hear?
Rand should let Walker & Cruz suicide their 2020/2024 chances on a kamikaze mission against Trump.
BOWLING GREEN, Kentucky – Washington liberals are trying to push through the so-called DREAM Act, which creates an official path to Democrat voter registration for 2 million college-age illegal immigrants.
Rand Paul 2010
Booker T. Washington:
Cast it down among the eight millions of Negroes whose habits you know, whose
fidelity and love you have tested in days when to have proved treacherous meant the ruin of your firesides.
2009-2011 Rand.
BOWLING GREEN, Kentucky – Washington liberals are trying to push through the so-called DREAM Act, which creates an official path to Democrat voter registration for 2 million college-age illegal immigrants.
Rand Paul 2010
Booker T. Washington:
Cast it down among the eight millions of Negroes whose habits you know, whose
fidelity and love you have tested in days when to have proved treacherous meant the ruin of your firesides.
MY hypocrisy? Link?
I'm not the one trolling for Trump and calling others names. I have tried to stay out of this worthless argument but you seem to love to keep the name-calling BS going all the while putting others down for what YOU do yourself.
There is no spoon.
You inserted yourself into a conversation I was having with someone else.
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Cultural Marxism: The Corruption of America
The Property Basis of Rights
So on a PUBLIC forum named after Ron Paul & in the Rand Paul sub forum, you said:
IMPOV that says that you are calling Ron and Rand Paul supporters PAULBOTS when they don't agree with you- and on forums that are designed for the RP view of Liberty.Originally Posted by LibertyEagle
No way. If they don't want Trump, because they think he might upset their gravy train, they sure as Hell are not going to want Rand. I realize that may upset some Paulbots, but that's the way it is.
There is no spoon.
don't hold back. let it all out. opine grandly... again!
Ender --- Would you even humour voting for a Trump/Cruz ticket?
(now that Rubio has dropped out, i must be logical about Mitt!)
One of two things will happen this summer, the RNC will be very
quiet or its going to be a complete zoo worse than Chicago in 1968.
Would you ever vote for a Clinton/Sanders ticket in your life at all?
i think the VEEP position will drive the lemon election decision choice.
i find myself pensively musing, wondering about and thinking over the odds
of Gentleman Mitt triggering a riot inside the merrie auld GOP if he actually
successfully steals the nomination away from Mister Donald Trump. Don't read
this chain of thought as my wanting to leap on the rolling bandwagon, do see
it as a bemused commentary on how banal this election is going to be. (269 v 269)
i can only hope for an Electoral College deadlock down the road becuz conformity
is maddeningly obnoxious. we almost deserve a repeat of Florida's danglin' chads.
No, I was showing anyone with at least half a brain cell that they were behaving like those who called us names during the last election. If you do it yourself, you are no better than they. Get it? Great.
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Open Borders: A Libertarian Reappraisal or why only dumbasses and cultural marxists are for it.
Cultural Marxism: The Corruption of America
The Property Basis of Rights
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Cultural Marxism: The Corruption of America
The Property Basis of Rights
lets all urbanely assume that the change in the RNC rules lets Doctor Rand Paul
give the best speech of his whole life this summer, then what...??? will that be
enough to cut through the apathy of politics as usual, as we hope again grandly?
Ender... lets focus on 2o2o... lets think over the short list.
Justin Amash and Rand Paul are two names that spring to
mind. this feels like as if the Libertarian Party could actually
double or triple its fall vote by comparison to past years. i do
expect to see a raft of 3rd Party votes. so it might take us until
this December to reach a consensus here, as we bring a tattered
movement back to where we were two years ago, but in the long
haul it may be worth it. again, maybe Barry Goldwater is still wise.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8bB0FnnwHw some of
our young define themselves as being democratic socialists.
That's not gong to happen. I've been diligently scrutinizing news reports where Rules Committee members have made public statements. None favor changing the rules to allow people who didn't run a campaign this cycle to be placed on the convention floor ballot. There is a small minority that doesn't want any change to rule 40b. There is a larger body that wants to scale rule 40b back a little bit (more or less back to where it was in 2008) that would allow only Trump and Cruz to be on the ballot. There are a few that want to scale it back a little more to allow Kasich/Rubio to qualify for the ballot. And there is a small minority (Haugland +1 best I can tell) that want to radically alter rule 40b to allow any candidate that has won a delegate (pretty much the whole, original GOP candidate field) to qualify.
The delegates to the national convention can, of course, make changes to whatever rules recommendation comes out of the committee, but the floor is going to be stacked with too many Cruz supporters by then to effect changes that would hurt Cruz' chances IMO.
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I think they will end up allowing Trump, Cruz, Kasich and Rubio on the ballot. Rubio is working this week to keep control over his delegates, which are currently more than Kasich has. Team Cruz is trying to stack the Rules Committee, too.
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