Fire Fauci Now!

[Anti Federalist]

Had about enough of this guy's smarmy, condescending, elitist, bull$#@!.

I am especially pissed at his constant pooh poohing and harrumphing at chloroquine combined with azithromycin as an effective treatment for Wuhan Virus 19.


What did Dr. Fauci have to say in 2009 about the deadly H1N1 pandemic?

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...rce=whatfinger

By M. Catharine Evans

It seems some viral infection pandemics are more equal than others. At least when it comes to burning a vibrant Trump economy to the ground.

In September 2009, after millions had become infected with the H1N1 influenza and thousands had died, some of whom were young people and children, a relaxed and unalarmed Dr. Anthony Fauci told an interviewer that people just need "to use good judgment."

"Parents should not send their kids to school if they're sick, if you're sick don't go to work ... avoid places where there are people who are sick and coughing, now that's a difficult thing to do,” he said. "...You can't isolate yourself from the rest of the world for the whole flu season." That’s quite a change from the esteemed expert’s views on the current virus from China sweeping the world.

From YouTube:



It’s peculiar that nowhere in the 2009 video does Dr. Fauci suggest that in order to alleviate the stress on hospital supplies we "force, uh, delay, if not cancel anything that's elective, I mean any medical or surgical procedures that need to be done on an elective basis should not be done." Dr. Fauci's statement to NBC's Savannah Guthrie on March 20, 2020 and his obvious slip of the tongue using the word “force” reveals just how much influence Dr. Fauci has over our daily lives. To date, hospitals, imaging centers, and outpatient departments across the country have cancelled non-emergent testing and surgical procedures.

Additionally, nowhere in the 2009 interview does Dr. Fauci specifically mention restaurants and bars as hot spots for the transmission of the H1N1 virus as he does in his recent interview with Yahoo News: “When I see crowded bars and crowded restaurants, it is a little bit unnerving,” Fauci said. "It’s clear that those are the situations that put people very much at risk." Talk about wielding power. Take a look around the country. Local and state officials have heeded Fauci’s “unnerving” concern and ordered restaurants to close their dining areas, or adhere to a 10-person limit. In cities and small towns everywhere, the restaurant industry, which includes owners, suppliers, chefs, line cooks, waitstaff, and bartenders, has been decimated.

Restaurants and bar owners, along with their employees, are the hardest hit economically by the virus. In my city of Richmond, Virginia, 75% to 80% of restaurant staff have been laid off. One hundred restaurants have closed and those not following Governor Ralph ‘Blackface' Northam's 10-person limit have been advised they could lose their business licenses and possibly risk police action if they do not comply. Meanwhile, Dr. Fauci lamented to Yahoo! News that he is unable to get his usual seven-mile daily run in due to his 19-hour days helping the American people, but he's hopeful "sometime soon we’ll get back to some normality where I can exercise the way I like to exercise."

Lastly, nowhere in the 2009 interview does Fauci use inflammatory, fear-inducing rhetoric, despite the number of H1N1-infected individuals, increased hospitalizations and deaths occurring at that time. Eleven years later, on March 11, 2020, Fauci is gung ho about COVID-19, warning lawmakers at a hearing on Capitol Hill: "Bottom line, it's going to get worse." Since then, the renowned AIDS epidemiologist has been seen daily at White House press conferences and on cable news shows reiterating this message to the public.

For all of Dr. Fauci’s daily appearances and scientific evaluations of the data, questions still abound. For example: Why did Dr. Fauci not sound the alarm in 2009 as urgently as he has done in 2020? Why did he not insist we 'force' hospitals to cancel elective tests and surgeries to save room for future infected patients during the H1N1 outbreak? Why did he pointedly target restaurants and bars in his concern for the spread of the coronavirus but not H1N1? As a specialist in infectious diseases, and as a self-described "man of science," why support the closing of schools, businesses, and home quarantine for one virus and not the other? H1N1's duration from April 2009 to April 2010 with 60 million infected and almost 13,000 deaths in the U.S. alone was no less serious than the 2020 coronavirus so why was Dr. Fauci taking a more measured approach in 2009?

The answers may come too late. The economy that was setting records has been broken, at least, and hopefully, temporarily. The working and middle classes, who only a month ago were celebrating the purchase of a new car, a house, a raise, moving out of their parents' home or the promise of a better job are wondering if they can hold on, and some are waking up to the realization their lives have been turned upside down over a virus that is no more deadly than the flu they got last year.

[Anti Federalist]

Political Health – The Motives of a Very, Very, Political Dr. Fauci…

https://theconservativetreehouse.com...ical-dr-fauci/

Posted on March 21, 2020 by sundance

There’s been a debate about possible political motives surrounding the panic he has created; the massive economic damage he has inflicted; and the conflicting assertions of National Institute of Allergy and Infections Diseases (NIAID) Director Dr. Anthony Fauci.

CTH identifies the motives as sketchy. He appears to use his position to advance theories and yet position himself to avoid scrutiny.

Sometimes within a 24 hour period Fauci will make a statement, then contradict the initial assertion, then attempt to cloud his own conflict with obtuse and wordy explanations. After watching for several weeks, we called it out HERE.

Perhaps one way to help see through the professional obfuscation, and identify just exactly how political Dr. Fauci is, would be to: compare and contrast Dr. Fauci under President Obama in September 2009 after 3,000 to 4,000 H1N1 deaths in the USA -vs- Dr. Fauci under President Trump in March 2020 after 200 to 300 COVID-19 deaths. WATCH:

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Now, to better absorb the information…. According to the CDC final estimate of 2009 U.S. H1N1 cases (published in 2011): from April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010 approximately 60.8 million U.S. cases, 274,304 U.S. hospitalizations, and 12,469 U.S. deaths occurred due to H1N1. That’s the empirical data.

After: (1) watching that 2009 video; and (2) comparing the 2009 H1N1 response to the current 2020 COVID-19 response; and (3) reviewing the empirical data; we must admit to ourselves there is a VERY BIG difference. So now, with the baseline established, we look for why such a big difference; and to do that we (4) evaluate the politics:

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A few months later:

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Now, pause for a moment – reread that again – don’t skip past it. Think about what type of mindset would send such a letter and communication. Apply common sense. Trust your instincts…

Would a person of reasonable disposition send such a letter or email to anyone in their professional network? Would you ever consider writing a letter to your employer, or the family of your employer, declaring your undying love and devotion toward them?

“rarely does a speech bring me to tears”?… “please tell her I love her more than ever”?.. “please tell her that we all love her”… etc.

Seriously…. think about it. If you have ever engaged in a large system, large business, or large network of professionals, how would you react to a person inside that organization who was sending such non-professional communication? What exactly does that say about the emotional stability of such a person?

And this person, right now, with this inherent sensibility, has the most consequential and direct influence over the decision-making for the worlds most powerful nation. Stunning.
Now reconsider:

The concept of “flattening” the virus curve; the presumptive reason for social distancing and shutting down the U.S. economy; is based on a theory to extend the spread of COVID-19 to a lesser incident rate over a longer duration, thereby lessening the burden on the U.S. healthcare system. Hence, ‘flatten’ the spike in infections.

Put another way: “Flattening” means the same number of people eventually contract the virus, only they do so over a longer period of time, and the healthcare system can treat everyone because the numbers do not rise to level where the system is overloaded. In theory that seems to make sense.

However, no-one is asking: what is the current stress level on the healthcare system right now? Where are we in that capacity?… and what is normal capacity level during a high-level flu outbreak?… and Where are we when compared against that baseline?
♦ Remember in 2009 there were over 61 million cases of H1N1, more than 274,000 hospitalizations and 12,469 additional deaths specifically attributed to that strain of flu virus in the U.S. [DATA HERE]

The premise to extend the virus duration in an effort to lower the infection rate and spread the virus over a longer period of time needs to measured against: (a) where the healthcare system is at any given moment; and (b) under traditional high-flu seasons where are we during those historic events.

♦ STRESS LEVEL – The healthcare ‘system’ per se, is expending an awful lot of time on mitigation efforts. As Dr. Birx noted: the current negative test rate for coronavirus among those showing symptoms who are tested is 94 to 98 percent. That means of all the people taking coronavirus tests, 94/98 out of 100 are symptomatic (they are sick) but they are not infected with coronavirus. They are normal flu cases.

Our healthcare “system” is expending an incredible amount of resources on a mitigation effort. According to Dr. Birx and the current U.S. test results, 94 to 98 percent of those mitigation efforts are not engaging with coronavirus. They are dealing with regular flu (perhaps a strong flu).

If you extract the mitigation effort from the overall effort, the current stress level on the healthcare system doesn’t seem to be overwhelming. What is stressing the system is a coronavirus mitigation effort with a rate of 94 to 98 percent testing negative.

♦ Dr. Fauci’s theory is self-fulfilling.

If the viral spread never exceeds the capacity of the healthcare system to deal with it, he can claim success. Look, our flattened curve worked.

However, when contrast against flu outbreaks, no-one knows what the COVID-19 capacity threshold is within the healthcare system. There’s no way to disprove Fauci’s theory.

Given the nature of the baseline for overall U.S. sanitation and hygiene, which is significantly higher than Italy, S-Korea and China; and given the higher standards of food safety (U.S. is the world leader); again significantly higher than Italy, S-Korea and China; and given the nature of the U.S. healthcare system (more capacity per person); is it really a fair comparison to overlay a COVID-19 outbreak, without also overlaying a traditional flu outbreak?

Any theory that cannot be scientifically tested; and is simultaneously self-fulfilling; is, by its nature, a false theory.

This is not to say that Dr. Anthony Fauci is intentionally misleading anyone; however, it is absolutely true that no-one will be able to quantify if trillions of dollars of economic wealth lost; and trillions more in economic activity lost; and trillions more in deficit spending; and that might all be done just to follow the fantastical whims of a doctor who is directing the mitigation of an ordinary flu-virus/season, and appears to be quite full of his own sense of self-importance.

You decide….

I think I already have.

[69360]

He's just a puppet. Who is pulling the strings and why?

[Anti Federalist]

He's just a puppet. Who is pulling the strings and why?

So cut him down and pull the $#@!ing strings then.

See what falls out of the overhead.

[presence]

Remember in 2009 there were over 61 million cases of H1N1, more than 274,000 hospitalizations and 12,469 additional deaths specifically attributed to that strain of flu virus in the U.S
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it is absolutely true that no-one will be able to quantify if trillions of dollars of economic wealth lost; and trillions more in economic activity lost; and trillions more in deficit spending; and that might all be done just to follow the fantastical whims of a doctor who is directing the mitigation of an ordinary flu-virus/season

While I do not agree with the notion of Trillion dollar stay home packages. I do see this event as distinct from the common flu season.

I'm a quant. I crunch numbers and create models. As a mathematician, the scenario I see unfolding is daunting.

In the 2009 flu season you saw 60 million cases. The common man has some degree of immunity to common flu. Even H1N1 is relatively "common". And flu tends to infect 1.3 people for every sick person.

We're facing a bug that tends to infect 2-3, maybe 4+ people for every sick person. When there is a "novel" virus with high r0 the only thing that can stop it is herd immunity or containment. Containment is out of the question at this point. Thinking positively... Herd immunity occurs somewhere between 60 and 80% of the population (though it could burn through all of us). Optimistically, we're looking at 200 to 260 million cases when herd immunity is reached.

In the 2009 flu season you saw 275k hospitalizations. That's less than half a percent of the 60 million cases for H1N1.

COVID-19 has a hospitalization rate much higher; and more daunting... the ICU rate AND duration...

In china the hospitalization rate is 15% and the ICU rate is 5%.
In italy the hospitalization rate is over 50% and the ICU rate is 8%.

The average ICU stay is 30 days.

lets be conservative and say we have hospitalization rate in the US of 10% because we're such a "healthy" group of fat diabetics with heart issues abounding.
lets also be conservative and say we have ICU rate of 4%

That's between 20 and 26 million hospital beds required. Between 8 and 9.2 million ICU beds.

lets look at the lower number there for ICU beds; 8 million. and lets imagine somehow we can get people out of the beds in 10 days instead of 30..

That's 80 million ICU bed days

There are 85,000 ICU beds in the US. Before the crisis started no less than 70,000 of them were occupied with other critical patients. Very few of the ICU beds in production are even of the sort required for contagion containment.

There is a growing consensus in the scientific and medical community that millions of ICU beds will be needed for months to come; we have thousands.



Regardless of your dislike of government spending, tyranny... encroach on your liberties... your best move right now is to stay the $#@! home.

Don't be in need of a bed when everyone else needs a bed.



eta:

I truly hope my liberty friends have spent their years fortifying their castle, building their sense of self responsibility, and enacting strategies for preparedness; so that when a situation such as this arises they are not dependent on the state, which they so despise. Focusing on what you can do in your own life, to be sovereign from the state, is always a better strategy than getting worked up over the latest foolish expenditure the mafia is making on behalf of the masses.

[Anti Federalist]

Everything you wrote

With regard to Fauci, that is all the more reason to aggressively pursue treatment options that show hope, and keep patients out of the ICU, instead of pooh-poohing them off and harrumphing about science and safety like the pretentious jackass he is.

[presence]

With regard to Fauci, that is all the more reason to aggressively pursue treatment options that show hope, and keep patients out of the ICU, instead of pooh-poohing them off and harrumphing about science and safety like the pretentious jackass he is.

The issue with hydroxy is the thin margin for error between effective dose and lethal dose. Trump has made this drug out to be "well known and safe" and in the dosages required to treat malaria... it is. What Fauci understands, and what is found in the literature... is that the dosages required to kill virus... we're well off in uncharted territory and bordering on lethal. There are strong scientific and safety considerations to be had before prescribing it willy nilly. That said... the first studies are coming in... and they do show promise. I do suspect the tide will soon turn; but we are certainly in the realm of "this has never been done before" and "one false move" could inadvertently kill and maim more than it saves.

I'm not totally convinced myself that hydroxy is the silver bullet. I'm kind of partial in my thinking to niclosamide. But that has not been well studied in this context either.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1....full.pdf+html

[presence]

If I had it my way... doctors would not have licenses, hospitals would not be regulated, and medications would not require prescriptions. So... if you wanted hydroxychoroquine you could go to the damn store and buy it yourself and dose yourself. The role of "the state" if any would be in ensuring that you were not sold fraudulent product in the event you were thereafter harmed.

Also... note... if you really want chloroquine: Its used to clean fish tanks and is readily available for that purpose. adding the hydroxyl group makes it approximately 40% less toxic and there are plenty of writeups to be had online with keyword: "hydroxychloroquine synthesis" ...with fish tank cleaner in hand its not terribly difficult to synthesize

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[Brian4Liberty]

We need look no further than Italy for the potential overload of the healthcare (and disposal) system.

[Anti Federalist]

If I had it my way... doctors would not have licenses, hospitals would not be regulated, and medications would not require prescriptions. So... if you wanted hydroxychoroquine you could go to the damn store and buy it yourself and dose yourself. The role of "the state" if any would be in ensuring that you were not sold fraudulent product in the event you were thereafter harmed.

Also... note... if you really want chloroquine: Its used to clean fish tanks and is readily available for that purpose. adding the hydroxyl group makes it approximately 40% less toxic and there are plenty of writeups to be had online with keyword: "hydroxychloroquine synthesis" ...with fish tank cleaner in hand its not terribly difficult to synthesize

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LOL - Way ahead of you on that.

[69360]

So cut him down and pull the $#@!ing strings then.

See what falls out of the overhead.

I'm not opposed to that.

I have a sense that something is horribly wrong in the world, but can't figure out who or why.

[presence]

Health officials in Nigeria have issued a warning over chloroquine after they said three people in the country overdosed on the drug

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...nt/ar-BB11zg4t

[donnay]

Fauci Love Letters to Hillary Clinton Surface….
https://theconservativetreehouse.com...nton-surfaces/

[fcreature]

COVID-19 has a hospitalization rate much higher; and more daunting... the ICU rate AND duration...

Serious question, how do you know that?

Seems to me we're working off of faulty data and mathematicians should understand this. At this time we have no idea how many people are carrying this virus. For every 1 person who has symptoms, there might be 10 who don't. We're seeing selective bias right now - those who go to the hospital are of course experiencing the worst symptoms. Of course it's likely that they may require hospitalization. Most people who I know only go to the hospital if they think they require hospitalization.

Until we start randomly testing the population and do a true statistical analysis on this, everyone is just full of $#@!. The data we have at this time is pure nonsense and should be called out as such.

[Brian4Liberty]

The average ICU stay is 30 days.

Very relevant. I have been pointing that out to people for a while now.

The beds fill up, and they stay filled up for a long time. Big difference from other situations where a patient might only be in an ICU room for a few days.

[presence]

Serious question, how do you know that?

The hospitalization and ICU rate data cited is as it appears in various media sources. True of course this is not a perfect statistical analysis. But either way it is apparent there is an order of substantial difference in hospitalization rate, ICU rate, ICU duration, and r0. Even at the most conservative end of the spectrum; we only had 15k open ICU beds coming into this event. Ultra conservative.... if you talk about 1% requiring ICU and 60% of the population in the US contracting... that is a need for 2 million beds we simply do not have. Those are people that could have been cured with a "flattened curve" allowing time to increase capacity.... and will instead die due strictly to lack of care.

[Brian4Liberty]

Fauci Love Letters to Hillary Clinton Surface….
https://theconservativetreehouse.com...nton-surfaces/

Fauci is very likely a leftist saboteur, like so many other leftovers have proven to be.

Exaggerating the situation helps the leftist agenda. It also may hurt Trump in the election. Coincidence, or intentional?