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  1. #121
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Ah, ok. I'm seeing now. Chief Roberts isn't presiding because Trump is NOT the president. Therefore, ipso-facto automagically, he is not included in the precedings against a civilian.
    Ahhh, now it makes sense..
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  3. #122
    Using the Democrat's strategy the insurrectionists should be held harmless because they thought they were acting for the president and didn't think they were doing wrong.

  4. #123
    Quote Originally Posted by GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged View Post
    Using the Democrat's strategy the insurrectionists should be held harmless because they thought they were acting for the president and didn't think they were doing wrong.
    That is an accepted legal argument, which some of them are actually using as their defense. I'm pretty sure this has been reported on in MSM.

    So I think that the Democrats are aware that the case they are trying to make against Trump, to the extent that they argue it convincingly, will aid in the defense of those people.

  5. #124
    Quote Originally Posted by Invisible Man View Post
    That is an accepted legal argument, which some of them are actually using as their defense. I'm pretty sure this has been reported on in MSM.

    So I think that the Democrats are aware that the case they are trying to make against Trump, to the extent that they argue it convincingly, will aid in the defense of those people.
    I believe they are making a sound case for those people regardless if Trump is found guilty or not. From what I am hearing the Democrats are putting forth a compelling argument for Trumps acquittal.

  6. #125
    Quote Originally Posted by GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged View Post
    I believe they are making a sound case for those people regardless if Trump is found guilty or not. From what I am hearing the Democrats are putting forth a compelling argument for Trumps acquittal.
    It can't be both. If they are making a compelling argument for Trump's acquittal, then it undermines the use of that defense on the part of the rioters, it doesn't help them.

  7. #126
    My take on Stop the Steal Rally. I actually thought about going with my wife. My interpretation was to go and show support for Trump and the fraudulent election. In my mind I would equate the massive crowd for Trump as in days of old when authorities would look out from the castle seeing the entire Citizenship outside in protest. Seeing all those people could make Senators think my god there are a lot of people that think this elections was fraudulent. Maybe we should look into this. I heard many times the only real date was Jan 20. I think it reasonable that Pence could have said, "I think there are issues with this election. I do not feel comfortable with rubber stamping this process. According to my interpretation of the Constitution, the only date necessary is Jan 20. I encourage all of us to go home and speak with your state legislators and make sure we are confident with our election results."

  8. #127
    Quote Originally Posted by Invisible Man View Post
    It can't be both. If they are making a compelling argument for Trump's acquittal, then it undermines the use of that defense on the part of the rioters, it doesn't help them.
    Sure it does. The defense for those people can say look it is obvious even Senators think they were told to do this. Just because those few people that broke into the Capital were disillusioned doesn't mean that Trump was not simply exhausting every possible approach to right the ship.
    Last edited by GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged; 02-11-2021 at 12:28 PM.

  9. #128
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  11. #129
    “A partisan farce...”

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  12. #130
    They are focusing now on the trauma felt by members of Congress and staff. Yet years of cities ravaged and traumatized by BLM and Antifa was discounted and swept under the rug by these same members of Congress.
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  13. #131
    Quote Originally Posted by GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged View Post
    Sure it does. The defense for those people can say look it is obvious even Senators think they were told to do this.
    Again, that depends on how convincing those Senators (who are making those claims in a tendentious setting) are in saying that.

    If they are convincing, then they help the defense of those people.

    If they make fools of themselves trying to claim something that ends up looking absurd (i.e. "making a compelling case for Trump's acquittal"), then their failure will work against the use of that defense by rioters.

    Of course, it will still remain possible in each individual trial for the defendant's lawyers to make a better case on their client's behalf than the senators trying to impeach Trump did. But they won't want to mention those senators unless doing so actually helps their case.
    Last edited by Invisible Man; 02-11-2021 at 01:31 PM.

  14. #132
    Quote Originally Posted by GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged View Post
    The defense for those people can say look it is obvious even Senators think they were told to do this.
    "I was just following orders" didn't work at Nuremberg, and it shouldn't work for the goons who stormed the Capitol.
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  15. #133
    Congress should throw out their time limits. They often recognize someone for 5 minutes. If they like the person they let them talk longer if they don't they tell them time is up. They have not once came back from recess on time. They do not know what 10 or 15 minutes is. Who are they to limit time when they cannot follow it as a body.

  16. #134
    Quote Originally Posted by Sonny Tufts View Post
    "I was just following orders" didn't work at Nuremberg, and it shouldn't work for the goons who stormed the Capitol.
    I agree but having all those people say they were doing so adds credibility as to why they were doing it. They were patriots doing it for their country because the president asked them to. If I was one cop and there were thousands of people outside with an agenda, I would not fire a weapon upon one person. I think Trump offered National Guard to DC and they said no. People more than a few rows back wouldn't even know what was going on. The huge mass of people were not there to do harm or damage.

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  18. #136
    Watching CSPAN now and only little over 22,690 viewers at this moment. I bet that viewership will increase dramatically when Democrats are over and Team Trump begins.



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  20. #137
    Quote Originally Posted by GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged View Post
    Watching CSPAN now and only little over 22,690 viewers at this moment. I bet that viewership will increase dramatically when Democrats are over and Team Trump begins.
    I haven't been watching, but I hope it's not over, yet. I'd like to see the Dem side go for a least another month or so. And then, let the Trump team carry it until next year.

    Keep the Senate tied up as long as possible!! It's like free time for donor emails!
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  21. #138
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    I haven't been watching, but I hope it's not over, yet. I'd like to see the Dem side go for a least another month or so. And then, let the Trump team carry it until next year.

    Keep the Senate tied up as long as possible!! It's like free time for donor emails!
    I think it is 16 hours each side and then they decide what happens next.

  22. #139
    Quote Originally Posted by GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged View Post
    I think it is 16 hours each side and then they decide what happens next.



    I feel cheated! Keep this thing going!!
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  23. #140
    If word came to the Senate right now that Trump just died, would they stop the impeachment?

  24. #141
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Ah, ok. I'm seeing now. Chief Roberts isn't presiding because Trump is NOT the president. Therefore, ipso-facto automagically, he is not included in the precedings against a civilian.
    The honor went to nice Senator Leahy because of who he is inside the Senate seniority system!!!!

  25. #142
    Quote Originally Posted by GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged View Post
    If word came to the Senate right now that Trump just died, would they stop the impeachment?
    No.... they'd continue on, in order to see if he can be vindicated a second time by the GOP Senators or whether he
    should have been totally removed from power had there been a speedy & fast trial prior to the 20th of January that
    could have been fair and almost thorough enough to fit into the time window. His passing would not render all moot.

  26. #143
    Quote Originally Posted by Aratus View Post
    No.... they'd continue on, in order to see if he can be vindicated a second time by the GOP Senators or whether he
    should have been totally removed from power had there been a speedy & fast trial prior to the 20th of January that
    could have been fair and almost thorough enough to fit into the time window. His passing would not render all moot.
    Maybe they can impeach him from eternal life and strip him of his ability to attend religious services.

  27. #144
    Quote Originally Posted by GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged View Post
    Maybe they can impeach him from eternal life and strip him of his ability to attend religious services.
    i actually don't think that they can influence whether he goes to heaven, hell....or purgatory.
    he might be hit by something that sends him into a political purgatory in our here and now...



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  30. #146
    Quote Originally Posted by GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged View Post
    Maybe they can impeach him from eternal life and strip him of his ability to attend religious services.
    This is just the start...Marxist AGs across the country are salivating at the prospect of bring state charges against him.

    They won't rest until he's dead or in jail as a political prisoner.

    And a large segment of AmeriKunts agree and want the same thing.
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  31. #147
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    This is just the start...Marxist AGs across the country are salivating at the prospect of bring state charges against him.

    They won't rest until he's dead or in jail as a political prisoner.

    And a large segment of AmeriKunts agree and want the same thing.
    When all else fails, GITMO his ass.

  32. #148
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    This is just the start...Marxist AGs across the country are salivating at the prospect of bring state charges against him.

    They won't rest until he's dead or in jail as a political prisoner.

    And a large segment of AmeriKunts agree and want the same thing.
    I do not think anything is going to happen on that front. But if things do go down it will be not for reasons you think they are happening. Some sort of payback for non-public fighting within the club.

    I think the average people don't care, are fed up hearing about him or have forgotten about him already. They will lose interest and move on to the next thing to be angry about.

    Besides who cares. They are all on the same team. There is infighting within the team. Why should we care if this is simply them eating their own. That is if they are really actually eating their own and this is all just continuing a narrative for the masses. With Trump impeached they are impeaching the perception that people have of the values they think he represented.

    They are looking at short term and long term benefits of this narrative so they can continue conditioning peoples belief system in the same methodical gradual approach like they have for the last 120 years.
    Last edited by kahless; 02-21-2021 at 01:54 PM.

  33. #149
    Possible Outcome: Collapse of BOTH political parties, and fully replaced by the "Communists" who "are here to save us"?

    We know this thing is a Kangaroo Court. Trump couldnt even find decent lawyers. Maybe he should have hired Michael Badnarik? Anyone remember him?
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  34. #150
    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    Possible Outcome: Collapse of BOTH political parties, and fully replaced by the "Communists" who "are here to save us"?

    We know this thing is a Kangaroo Court. Trump couldnt even find decent lawyers. Maybe he should have hired Michael Badnarik? Anyone remember him?
    Maybe that is where they are headed and will use the Trump party to neutralize the Republican party. I could care less about the Republican party getting destroyed but think the Trump party will end up being like the Democrat party without the Democrats. It will be for all the same things but with different familiar faces that folks on the right are accustomed to. Social engineering at it's finest.
    Last edited by kahless; 02-11-2021 at 04:29 PM.

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