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    World Renowned Scientists Have Their Lab Shut Down After Troublesome vaccine Discovery

    WORLD RENOWNED SCIENTISTS HAVE THEIR LAB SHUT DOWN AFTER TROUBLESOME VACCINE DISCOVERY

    ARJUN WALIAAPRIL 17, 2018

    In the 90’s, Dr. Antonietta Gatti discovered the relationship between micro- and nano-particles as well as a great number of pathologies: cardiovascular diseases, many forms of cancer, multiple neurological diseases, and autoimmune diseases. She’s taken part in many international research projects, including the pathologies induced by depleted uranium, waste incineration, food polluted with inorganic particles, and more.

    Currently, she is the coordinator of the Italian Institute of Technology’s Project of Nanoecotoxicology, called INESE.

    She is also a selected expert of the FAO/WHO for the safety in nanotechnological food, and a Member of the NANOTOX Cluster of the European Commission and the author of a book titled “Nanopathology: the health impact of nanoparticles,” and on the Editorial Board of Journal of Biomaterials Applications and a member of the CPCM of the Italian Ministry of Defense.

    Furthermore, her and her husband Dr. Stefano Montanari founded a laboratory called Nano-diagnostics for the evaluation of the pathological tissues of patients, it’s presently at the University of Modena and Reggio Emilia, Italy.

    Recently, the Italian police raided their home, the police took all digital assets that were owned by the the two nanopathologists, including laptops, computers, and flash-drives, basically years of work and research.

    James Grundvig via the World Mercury Project describes what happened quite well:

    “Because Gatti and Montanari had taken their research of nanodust and nanoparticles, from in-vivo (performed in a living organism) and in-vitro (performed in a test tube) to what unseen contamination might reside in vaccines in 2016, they came under the microscope of the United States, European, and Italian authorities. They had touched the third rail of medicine. They had crossed the no-go zone with the purported crime being scientific research and discovery. By finding nano-contamination in random vaccines, Gatti and Montanari revealed, for the first time, what no one knew: Vaccines had more than aluminum salts adjuvants, Polysorbate-80, and other inorganic chemicals in them, they also harbored stainless steel, tungsten, copper, and other metals and rare elements that don’t belong in shots given to fetuses, pregnant women, newborns, babies and toddlers developing their lungs, immune and nervous systems.”

    The scientists published their work in January of 2017, titled, New Quality‐Control Investigations on Vaccines: Micro‐ and Nanocontamination. If science wasn’t plagued by corruption, an investigation should have started, healthcare agencies would have become involved and vaccine safety policies would have come under intense scrutiny, but that never happened.

    Below is a recent interview with the two, done by Surêté Vaccins, the quick description of the video reads,

    “Two italian researchers have found nanoparticles are polluting almost all vaccines. The small size of these particles allow them to enter our cells and have a permanent inflammatory effect. Mrs Gatti was about to testify in parliament enquiry on vaccine damages of italian military courses but both researches have been raided by police and all their material has been taken away.”

    Nano particles are very small bits of matter, and they can enter into the human body, as the pair of scientist discovered in the 90’s. This is why we have so much published research linking various chemical products, like cleaning agents, to the destruction of human health. These nano particles are produced by waste incinerators, car traffic, and many other different ways. Because they float in the air, we can inhale them, which means they enter our lungs and then enter into the blood within minutes. This leads to a number of problems. These particles are carried by the blood to every district of the body, as they explain in the video below. When they enter into the tissues, the body cannot get rid of them, and so those particles stay there forever and are the cause of various diseases we see today.

    They explain how they’ve been analyzing and studying vaccines for the past 15 years.

    “Both vaccine and the tissue, which was hit by the particles contained in the vaccines, because we discovered that those vaccines were polluted by particles, those particles were contained equally in the vaccine and in the tissue, so we started to analyze vaccines.”

    “After a while, an Italian University sent us a student for her thesis, and we analyzed 19 different vaccines with her, finding all of them polluted by micro and nano particles. Then we went on analyzing them and now we analyzed about 30 vaccines with many samples of each vaccine, and, we discovered that they were all polluted…”

    When all said and done, they analyzed 44 different vaccines. All of them contained these harmful particles, which are foreign bodies entering into the body. Whenever this happens, the body has a reaction, and it’s not good.

    “Those foreign bodies, those particles, are like a bullet. If I shoot somebody, and that bullet makes a hole in the heart, it’s not very important if the bullet was made of stainless steel, of titatium, of iron whatever, what’s important is that that they punched a whole in the heart.”

    In it, they talk a little bit about the study and what’s currently going on.



    This Is Simply The Truth About Modern Day Science That Continues To Be Ignored

    There are three quotes I love to use to illustrate best what I’m trying to get across here,

    In the case of medicine, a lot of information has emerged showing just how much corruption really goes on in the industry. The Editors-in-Chiefs of several major medical journals have been quite blunt, with perhaps one of the best examples coming from Dr. Richard Horton, the current Editor-in-Chief of The Lancet, who says:

    “The case against science is straightforward: much of the scientific literature, perhaps half, may simply be untrue.”

    Dr. Marcia Angell, a physician and longtime Editor-in-Chief of the New England Medical Journal (NEMJ), also considered one of the most prestigious peer-reviewed medical journals in the world, alongside The Lancet, has said that:

    “It is simply no longer possible to believe much of the clinical research that is published, or to rely on the judgment of trusted physicians or authoritative medical guidelines. I take no pleasure in this conclusion, which I reached slowly and reluctantly over my two decades as an editor of The New England Journal of Medicine.”

    John Ioannidis, an epidemiologist at the Stanford University School of Medicine, published an article titled “Why Most Published Research Findings Are False,” which subsequently became the most widely accessed article in the history of the Public Library of Science (PLoS). (source)

    Here is another great quote by Arnold Seymour Relman (1923-2014), Harvard professor of medicine and former Editor-in-Chief of The New England Medical Journal:

    “The medical profession is being bought by the pharmaceutical industry, not only in terms of the practice of medicine, but also in terms of teaching and research. The academic institutions of this country are allowing themselves to be the paid agents of the pharmaceutical industry. I think it’s disgraceful.”

    Other Examples Of Corruption
    In 2016, a group of scientists in 2016 at the CDC named, SPIDER (Scientists Preserving Integrity, Diligence and Ethics), put out a list of complaints in the form of a letter to the CDC’s Chief of Staff, where they say,

    “It appears that our mission is being influenced and shaped by outside parties and rogue interests… and Congressional intent for our agency is being circumvented by some of our leaders. What concerns us most, is that it is becoming the norm and not the rare exception.”

    This was covered by several activists, from Robert F. Kennedy Jr. to another article from the Huffington Post, but unfortunately it received little to no mainstream media attention.

    Shortly before this, and perhaps even more shockingly, is the whistleblower testimony from a senior CDC scientist, who has authored multiple commonly cited studies that show no link whatsoever between the MMR vaccine and autism. In fact, one of his studies, published in 2004, is the most commonly cited study used to debunk the link between the MMR vaccine and autism.

    His name is Dr. William Thompson, and he bravely told the world that it was “the lowest point” in his career that he “went along with that paper.” He said that the authors “didn’t report significant findings” and that he is “completely ashamed” of what he did, that he was “complicit and went along with this, and that he regrets that he has “been part of the problem.” (source)(source)(source)

    Here is an official statement from Dr. Thompson describing the situation in his own words. This is perhaps the best source of information regrading this matter.

    These are a few examples out out of many.

    So What?
    We are living in a time of great transparency, a lot of new information is coming out that’s completely countering what we’ve been told, and some rather ghastly examples of scientific fraud have been made, it’s not just with vaccines.

    Information like this, unfortunately, can create a divide among the population, with one side spewing venom at the other, using terms like “anti-vax” or “pro-vax.” At the end of the day, these labels and the way we argue over them doesn’t really solve anything. If all we do is react with emotions when it comes to such important topics, we might as well not even have a conversation about them at all.

    All of us have to wake up and realize that nothing is set in stone, and the way we do things here is constantly changing. There is no denying the that fact that corporate/government funded media is severely fraudulent and basically presents one side of the coin.

    The media pays absolutely no attention to vaccine research that does not fit the narrative of their owners. Something is seriously wrong here, and there are more than enough opportunities to see it.

    The key here is to disseminate information in a peaceful manner, and remember, you still have the choice with regards to the decisions you make about your health, and the health of your child.

    Don’t be afraid to think for yourself.

    “The main reason we take so many drugs is that drug companies don t sell drugs, they sell lies about drugs. This is what makes drugs so different from anything else in life… Virtually everything we know about drugs is what the companies have chosen to tell us and our doctors… the reason patients trust their medicine is that they extrapolate the trust they have in their doctors into the medicines they prescribe.

    The patients don’t realize that, although their doctors may know a lot about diseases and human physiology and psychology, they know very, very little about drugs that’ve been carefully concocted and dressed up by the drug industry… If you don t think the system is out of control, please email me and explain why drugs are the third leading cause of death… If such a hugely lethal epidemic had been caused by a new bacterium or a virus,or even one-hundredth of it, we would have done everything we could to get it under control.”
    – Dr. Peter Gotzsche, co-founder of the Cochrane Collaboration
    http://www.collective-evolution.com/...zen.yandex.com
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner



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    I'm going to make a suggestion to you that I do to people on FaceBook all the time.....

    When you see some spectacular story like this, take time to read the pages that are calling it BS and at least see if things don't add up before you propagate said spectacular story?

    The husband claims the title of Doctor....yet has no such education in any capacity.
    The wife claims a PhD earned in Experimental Physics while attending the University of Bologna in 1976 even though no such PhD program was offered ANYWHERE in Italy until 1980. You can also view her diplomas online (I can link if you like, but they are in Italian) and see the words, “diploma di specialita" in (translated rest to English)Biomedical Technologies (Bioengeneering) on her second claimed PhD. The problem is “Diploma di Specialità” (“Diploma di Specializzazione” is the correct name, actually) is a post graduation title for specialists, not a PhD. And the two titles of Specialist and PhD are on separate planets akin to someone completing one semester at junior college and claiming a PhD.

    Look up the "Luft Affair" of 2009. These two shysters (and make no mistake, that is what they are.) with a few friends who happened to be part of a sales group dealing in monorail systems and convinced the Mayor of Rome that they could clean up the city’s air, by fitting giant vacuum cleaners to the tops of the city buses, to pump air through nanoparticle electro filters as the buses drove around. So the funding was given to pay for the $25,000 super filters only to realize that the Roman scientists who tried to tell them that there is no current technology that can filter ultrafine nanoparticles which is what you're talking about when speaking to nanoparticles that can penetrate at the microcellular level as their "research" claims.

    Never mind they released a spectacular tell all research paper last year to show they were right about vaccines being evil. Well, it was spectacular until anyone who had ever read a science book read their study and realized they had no controls and their methods description was borderline criminally inadequate. In other words, it was obvious there was no experiments or studies....they simply wrote up some BS that they thought sounded official.

    Montanari himself has recanted his tales of worldwide conspiracy now that the real facts of the raid are known (this happened a few months ago by the way). Once he was made aware of how much the fiscal agency was on to them, he probably figured it best to not add on to their knowledge of his untruthfulness by spreading more lies about his legal issues and trying to make the investigators out to be part of some evil global regime. They are facing fraud charges stemming from them having access to electron microscope via a non-profit organization who raised the money for it for two reasons:

    1) It is HIGHLY illegal to use assets from a non-profit organization for things related to for profit business, and let's be honest.....for all the talk about how much money Big Pharma makes the holistic, natural remedy, naturopathy, homeopathy markets ALL make TONS off of people as well. And these two cater specifically to the anti-vax crowd with their wares.

    2) The electron microscope they were using to validate their claims was at a location they had to drive to but had an agreement with the owner they could be reimbursed those travel expenses (it was like 300 miles round trip once a week). It was the fact they were lying on these claims for reimbursement with far greater miles and frequency than would have been right. In other words, they were defrauding the group who would half way entertain them. That was the initial fraud investigation was based on by the fiscal agency (the people who raided them), and that investigation started finding fraud and embezzlement left and right. Which is why they took all possible data, as they are trying to figure out just how much they've been stealing and cheating people out of.

    As far as "research data", the mere fact they expected anyone to believe they didn't have offsite secondary backup is a glaring, "We don't really have research....".

    Like I said....these two are the epitome of shysters
    "Self conquest is the greatest of all victories." - Plato

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    Dr. Antonietta Gatti discovered the relationship between micro- and nano-particles
    stopped reading, clearly written by someone borderline illiterate

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    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by Influenza View Post
    stopped reading, clearly written by someone borderline illiterate
    Lazy is more like it. I had to delete some dashes produced by a few facts translated from Italian to English from the only actual news sites that has covered this story. For some reason google translator insists on adding dashes to several words. Pretty much every English site I found were all groups opposed to vaccines and pretty much were just article shares off of whichever one first produced the OP article.
    "Self conquest is the greatest of all victories." - Plato

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    Here’s their report; New Quality-Control Investigations on Vaccines: Micro- and Nanocontamination (2017): http://medcraveonline.com/IJVV/IJVV-04-00072.php


    They found all sorts of dirty stuff in vaccines (with the exception of 1, if I remember correctly a vaccine for cats).

    What is missing is the concentration, which would be needed if this “study” could have any significance.


    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Because Gatti and Montanari had taken their research of nanodust and nanoparticles, from in-vivo (performed in a living organism) and in-vitro (performed in a test tube) to what unseen contamination might reside in vaccines in 2016, they came under the microscope of the United States, European, and Italian authorities.
    I’m interested to know what experiments these “scientists” did “in vivo”…
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    Undesirable impact

    The study explains that these foreign injected impurities may explain a vast array of apparently unrelated adverse events associated with vaccination from headaches and seizures to fatigue, muscle pain, paralysis and sudden infant death syndrome. More likely than not, they speculate, vaccine contaminants will “have a more serious impact on very small organisms like those of children.”

    Once inside a body, foreign material in a vaccine shot, whether it is meant to be there as in the case of an aluminum, or not, in the case of contaminants, launches the formidable immune system into action.

    As with anything small and foreign, its reaction to vaccine ingredients is potent, poorly understood, unpredictable, and as the Italian researchers say, may be “undesirable.” The immune system may dispatch an army of large white blood cells called macrophages to engulf the foreign bodies and contain them in swellings and granulomas at the injection site. But if the contaminants are swept away in the blood’s circulation to any distant site or organ including the microbiota, which regulate numerous functions including the immune system, their effect could be felt long after they covertly entered the body.

    In some cases, the immune system my initiate an inflammatory assault against what it perceives as invader. This may include the launch of a host of players called cytokines. Some of these chemical messengers like interleukin-6 are incriminated in autism.

    Because these contaminants may persist in the body and stimulate the immune system, they may induce chronic inflammation and can manifest as autoimmune diseases when the immune system turns on its host's own cells as in multiple sclerosis or type 1 diabetes.

    It’s also been shown that the contaminants found in the vaccines can enter cell nuclei and interact with DNA, the researchers note. No one knows what that can do.

    Dark history

    Vaccines have a long and sordid history of contamination. In 1955 batches of polio vaccine containing live polio virus infected and paralysed hundreds of children. The tragedy became known as the Cutter Incident for the laboratory where the vaccines had passed safety tests with flying colors.

    But there are dozens of other “incidents” which would better be called acts of criminal negligence, including:

    The polio vaccine doled out between 1955 and 1963 was contaminated with simian virus 40 (SV40) from monkey kidney cells used to produce the vaccine. It’s been linked to the growing epidemic of cancer.
    In 2007, Merck & Company, Inc. recalled 1.2 million doses of Hib vaccines due to contamination with bacteria called cereus, a potentially lethal food-poisoning bug.
    In 2009, more than 40,000 doses of a meningitis C vaccine for babies were withdrawn from the British market when they were found to be contaminated with blood-poisoning bacteria, S aureus.
    In 2010, deep sequence analysis of eight different live attenuated virus vaccines revealed unexpected viral sequences in three of them: retrovirus avian leukosis was found in a measles vaccine, a virus similar to simian retrovirus was identified in Rotateq anti-diarrhea vaccine developed by CDC consultant Paul Offit, and the entire genome sequence of porcine cirovirus1 was found in Rotarix leading the FDA to suspend the rotavirus vaccine.
    In 2014, The US Food and Drug Administration ordered GlaxoSmithKline to review the manufacturing operation of its flu vaccine when it found microbiological contamination of products purporting to be sterile.
    In 2013, Merck & Company, Inc. recalled one batch of Gardasil when glass particles were discovered in several phials.
    Recently it was reported that Sanofi Pasteur refused to recall its ActHIB vaccine for babies, even though it knew it was contaminated with glass shards. The FDA didn’t object.
    There are dozens of these cases, and even if vaccine manufacturers are issued multiple “warnings” action is rarely ever taken to clean the vaccine manufacture process. Since pharmaceutical companies have blanket indemnity from lawsuits for faulty vaccines, there is no incentive for them to clean up their act.

    Clear and present danger

    The study investigators conclude that the vaccine contamination they found is likely accidental. “Our hypothesis is that this contamination is unintentional, since it is probably due to polluted components or procedures of industrial processes (e.g. filtrations) used to produce vaccines, not investigated and not detected by the Producers”.

    Discussion about why pharmaceutical companies don’t produce clean vaccines is one thing. But the reality of vaccines as they are now is another. It doesn’t change what is being injected into millions of people today. Dangerous unintended toxins are in every one of the vaccines tested in this investigation, except one for cats.

    This research doesn’t just show that vaccines are full of crud that top scientists can’t even define. It makes a mockery of health oversight agencies like the FDA and CDC and their lies that vaccines undergo adequate safety checks and risk assessment.

    It doesn’t merely reveal that the long-term consequences of vaccinating cannot even be assessed. If anti-cancer vaccines like Gardasil and Cervarix contain cancer-causing aggregates of toxic metals, their use as a weapon against a cancer a girl has zero chance of getting before age 21 is not just useless. It is egregious abuse.

    Now, every vaccine’s claims to saving lives must be weighed against its risks of causing cancer, neurodevelopmental disease, autoimmune disease and every other immune-mediated “mystery” disorder now epidemic and soaring.

    The results of these investigations not only negate every assertion that vaccines are “safe and effective”, but they confirm that they are actually a clear and present danger.
    http://info.cmsri.org/the-driven-res...f-contaminants
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    her and her husband
    She and her husband

    She is also a selected expert of the FAO/WHO for the safety in nanotechnological food, and a Member of the NANOTOX Cluster of the European Commission and the author of a book titled “Nanopathology: the health impact of nanoparticles,” and on the Editorial Board of Journal of Biomaterials Applications and a member of the CPCM of the Italian Ministry of Defense.
    And... and... and.... and.... you're killing me, Arjun!

    Furthermore, her and her husband Dr. Stefano Montanari founded a laboratory called Nano-diagnostics for the evaluation of the pathological tissues of patients, it’s presently at the University of Modena and Reggio Emilia, Italy.
    Needs either a semicolon or a sentence break.

    People who are going to attempt to write professional-appearing articles ought to learn how to write. They would do well to -- at minimum -- bring their writing up to a level at which a total non-professional, casually reading, is not finding an annoying error in almost every paragraph.



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    That is an article posted by an anti-vax site, citing a "study" that is hosted on what is called a Predatory Publisher site (meaning for a few hundred dollars, the ONLY requirement for them to host, they will host any BS study you give them. Promise to reimburse and I'll prove it by having a study on MedCrave by tonight that will clearly show my research has shown that Donnay eats unbaptized children to appease Lord Xenu).

    The "study" was reported by the International Journal of Vaccines and Vaccination, which charges authors of research papers from $589 to $989 to publish.....another Predatory Publisher. I can almost guarantee you that every "study" you find that if you type in the name of the host and add the words predatory publisher you're going to find out all this "evidence" is only found on places that only require a nominal fee to have a study posted.

    But honestly.....if you REALLY need more proof this is TOTAL BS....

    From your sources:

    Researchers examining 44 samples of 30 different vaccines found dangerous contaminants, including red blood cells in one vaccine and metal toxicants in every single sample tested – except in one animal vaccine.

    Using extremely sensitive new technologies not used in vaccine manufacturing, Italian scientists reported they were “baffled” by their discoveries which included single particles and aggregates of organic debris including red cells of human or possibly animal origin


    Ask anyone whose ever used or knows anything about electron microscopy and they'll tell you that you have to examine samples under a vacuum. If you take a liquid sample and put it under even low vacuum, it evaporates leaving only crystals and precipitates. Do you TRULY understand the world on this scale? If you do, then using the "most contaminated" sample they found was 1569 particles (precipitates) in one drop of Cervarix (an anti-HPV vaccine), the rest were FAR less with most being single digit. That's important because using their "most contaminated" sample that means that in that entire vial of Cervarix that the contaminates made up 0.0000000000000000000719% of that vial. That means that is every particle making up that contamination were purely metal (lets go aluminum) you're talking roughly an amount of 0.000000000001 ng (NOTE the ng. Nanogram), whereas an average adult in the United States eats about 7–9 mg of aluminum per day in their food alone (this is not counting that it, along with any other particles you care to name) are in every breath you take, every drink of water you consume, every bite of food you eat, ect.

    All this study really shows is how little vaccines have unintended contaminates, which are almost guaranteed nothing more than non-identical solid objects which have condensed out of solution during the evaporation process and are composed of a much more numerous small molecule (salt for example). That's ignoring they used expired samples (some by more than 12 years) of vaccines which most are suspensions and NOT solutions, meaning degradation over time. Elastomer closures on vials are subject to degradation over time. Even USP Type 1 glass is going to add contaminants to contents given sufficient time.

    I mean.....unless we start getting EXTREMELY technical (which no offense, but the fact you posted this complete nonsense and apparently want to defend it means the more technical we get the more "off in the deep end" you are) if you still believe these idiots then your "research" consists of cruising fake science pages and anti-vaccine sites and taking anything they say as gospel with no regard to actually making sure you understand what you're promoting or fact checking them. The fact that I've posted close to two novels going over all the things wrong with their claims as well as into who they were kind of shows I actually took some time to do some reading on both topics. So why is it when people like me speak out against morons like these two I'm told, "That's because you believe the propaganda and haven't done your own research."?
    "Self conquest is the greatest of all victories." - Plato

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    Quote Originally Posted by Intoxiklown View Post
    That is an article posted by an anti-vax site, citing a "study" that is hosted on what is called a Predatory Publisher site (meaning for a few hundred dollars, the ONLY requirement for them to host, they will host any BS study you give them. Promise to reimburse and I'll prove it by having a study on MedCrave by tonight that will clearly show my research has shown that Donnay eats unbaptized children to appease Lord Xenu).

    The "study" was reported by the International Journal of Vaccines and Vaccination, which charges authors of research papers from $589 to $989 to publish.....another Predatory Publisher. I can almost guarantee you that every "study" you find that if you type in the name of the host and add the words predatory publisher you're going to find out all this "evidence" is only found on places that only require a nominal fee to have a study posted.

    But honestly.....if you REALLY need more proof this is TOTAL BS....

    From your sources:

    Researchers examining 44 samples of 30 different vaccines found dangerous contaminants, including red blood cells in one vaccine and metal toxicants in every single sample tested – except in one animal vaccine.

    Using extremely sensitive new technologies not used in vaccine manufacturing, Italian scientists reported they were “baffled” by their discoveries which included single particles and aggregates of organic debris including red cells of human or possibly animal origin


    Ask anyone whose ever used or knows anything about electron microscopy and they'll tell you that you have to examine samples under a vacuum. If you take a liquid sample and put it under even low vacuum, it evaporates leaving only crystals and precipitates. Do you TRULY understand the world on this scale? If you do, then using the "most contaminated" sample they found was 1569 particles (precipitates) in one drop of Cervarix (an anti-HPV vaccine), the rest were FAR less with most being single digit. That's important because using their "most contaminated" sample that means that in that entire vial of Cervarix that the contaminates made up 0.0000000000000000000719% of that vial. That means that is every particle making up that contamination were purely metal (lets go aluminum) you're talking roughly an amount of 0.000000000001 ng (NOTE the ng. Nanogram), whereas an average adult in the United States eats about 7–9 mg of aluminum per day in their food alone (this is not counting that it, along with any other particles you care to name) are in every breath you take, every drink of water you consume, every bite of food you eat, ect.

    All this study really shows is how little vaccines have unintended contaminates, which are almost guaranteed nothing more than non-identical solid objects which have condensed out of solution during the evaporation process and are composed of a much more numerous small molecule (salt for example). That's ignoring they used expired samples (some by more than 12 years) of vaccines which most are suspensions and NOT solutions, meaning degradation over time. Elastomer closures on vials are subject to degradation over time. Even USP Type 1 glass is going to add contaminants to contents given sufficient time.

    I mean.....unless we start getting EXTREMELY technical (which no offense, but the fact you posted this complete nonsense and apparently want to defend it means the more technical we get the more "off in the deep end" you are) if you still believe these idiots then your "research" consists of cruising fake science pages and anti-vaccine sites and taking anything they say as gospel with no regard to actually making sure you understand what you're promoting or fact checking them. The fact that I've posted close to two novels going over all the things wrong with their claims as well as into who they were kind of shows I actually took some time to do some reading on both topics. So why is it when people like me speak out against morons like these two I'm told, "That's because you believe the propaganda and haven't done your own research."?
    If it is all BS then explain why their house and office were raided and all their computers were taken? Prior to the raid their equipment had already been seized by a judge.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    If it is all BS then explain why their house and office were raided and all their computers were taken? Prior to the raid their equipment had already been seized by a judge.
    I did explain....in detail. See my first post
    "Self conquest is the greatest of all victories." - Plato

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    Quote Originally Posted by Intoxiklown View Post
    I did explain....in detail. See my first post
    Where did this information come from? All I see is something you wrote, with nothing more than that.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Where did this information come from? All I see is something you wrote, with nothing more than that.

    Sigh.....and this is where you fail, Donnay. You explain away anyone who disagrees with you with labels like sheep, blind, unwilling to "research", paid shill, ect.....but you are the one who glaringly does zero amount of looking into anything past a piece that says what you want to be true.

    I got that information from a few places. One would be school (understanding certain basic sciences like chemistry and biology), but the rest came from your sources (which I read) as well as the sources listed in support of your original. That's to insure I grasp what is being presented. Then, I start looking for articles which dispute the claims made (to understand what is presented as wrong with the other). Then I simply do a little fact checking on things like processes used, methods used, who is making the claim, ect.

    http://www.google.com

    You'll need that to look up a good translator because pretty much the only English articles to be found regarding this are only to be found on anti-vaxx sites. All the true news sites covering it are going to be found in Italian, as the truth of the case in no way makes it interesting to anyone outside that area. I'll post a few links to get you started, but if I can take the time to translate them because I don't like talking out of my ass then you'll understand why I would expect no less from you or anyone else.

    Italian CV of Antonietta Gatti: https://consultambientepsg.files.wor...tti.pdfhttp://

    European CV of Antonietta Gatti: http://ec.europa.eu/health/ph_risk/c...v_gatti_en.pdf

    Refer to my first post why those are of interest.

    Stefano Montanari (he is NOT a Doctor) changing his story after he found out how deep in the $#@! they were with Fiscal Agency with all their fraud:

    Link: https://www.nextquotidiano.it/la-gua...ano-montanari/ It's in the edit section at the bottom of the article.

    Italian site with lots of links to these two and their enjoyment of screwing people over to make money off of stupid people: http://www.butac.it/tag/stefano-montanari/

    That is plenty to give direction. Everything else I said is easily verifiable and found in English sites.
    "Self conquest is the greatest of all victories." - Plato

  16. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by Intoxiklown View Post
    Sigh.....and this is where you fail, Donnay. You explain away anyone who disagrees with you with labels like sheep, blind, unwilling to "research", paid shill, ect.....but you are the one who glaringly does zero amount of looking into anything past a piece that says what you want to be true.
    Sorry but you have mistaken me with someone else. I never call people sheep, blind--etc. I will look into this more, but I know how the powerful Big pHARMa is. I put nothing past them or the things they will do to cover up things with help from different governments.

    I do not have the time now.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  17. #15
    Let’s see if I can get this thread back on topic.

    The article in the OP describes that the Italian scientists that last year published a report on finding all sorts of dirty material in vaccines were harassed by the cops that confiscated their research material including their computers.

    Then Intoxiklown came to the rescue of big pharma and our legal system that protects the biggest criminals (including the medical industry).
    I’ll leave the ad hominems against Donnay for what they are.


    1) The article is badly written.
    The article clearly describes what has happened, and as it doesn’t try to describe the scientific achievements of the Italian researchers, this argument is void of meaning.


    2) Because these scientists used the money of a non-profit organisation, this makes it reasonable that the cops destroyed their research.
    Is your point that only big pharma is allowed to use its money to manipulate “scientific” research?
    I guess you don’t agree that it’s a good thing that people actually finance independent research as you apparently support that big pharma doesn’t act in the best interests of public health...
    Quote Originally Posted by Intoxiklown
    1) It is HIGHLY illegal to use assets from a non-profit organization for things related to for profit business, and let's be honest.....for all the talk about how much money Big Pharma makes the holistic, natural remedy, naturopathy, homeopathy markets ALL make TONS off of people as well.
    Are you claiming that they made a lot of money from their report on all of the dirty stuff? Who paid them these millions, all of these rich anti-vaxxers?!? Please show us the evidence...
    They will certainly be financially destroyed by the Italian corrupt legal system (P2 member Berlusconi has never even been sentenced for all of his illegal activities), I can promise you that...


    3) The scientists can’t be taken seriously because they have translated their title “PhD in Experimental Physics” wrong and Intoxiklown explains that the woman first got her university degree (comparable to a PhD) and actually also got a postdoc diploma. She couldn't even get a postdoc if she had not finished university with her degree first...
    Quote Originally Posted by Intoxiklown
    The problem is “Diploma di Specialità” (“Diploma di Specializzazione” is the correct name, actually) is a post graduation title for specialists, not a PhD.
    Probably these Italians speak English a whole lot better than Intoxiklown speaks Italian...


    4) Stefano Montanari is no doctor.
    They are physicists that on average are more intelligent than the average medical quack that is allowed to carry the title “Doctor”.


    5) The report can’t be taken seriously because it hasn’t been published in the “reputable” medical papers controlled by big pharma.
    From my point of view these “reputable” medical papers are about as reliable as the propaganda spread by CNN, FOX, BBC and Infowars (I’m sure Donnay disagrees with me on that last one)...


    Quote Originally Posted by Intoxiklown
    Then I simply do a little fact checking on things like processes used, methods used, who is making the claim, ect.
    No you didn’t you used strawman arguments and ad hominem attacks to discredit this story. I posted the controversial scientific looking report (in English), but you blatantly ignored it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Intoxiklown
    Ask anyone whose ever used or knows anything about electron microscopy and they'll tell you that you have to examine samples under a vacuum.
    They investigated using “an X-ray”, the complete description “Field Emission Gun Environmental Electron Scanning Microscope equipped with the X-ray microprobe of an Energy Dispersive Spectroscope”. In their report they actually describe examining the samples under low vacuum…


    Quote Originally Posted by Intoxiklown
    Well, it was spectacular until anyone who had ever read a science book read their study and realized they had no controls and their methods description was borderline criminally inadequate. In other words, it was obvious there was no experiments or studies....they simply wrote up some BS that they thought sounded official.
    That’s a lie, not surprising as you’re only interested in derailing this thread...
    What these scientist did was use X-rays to measure what elements were in the vaccines.

    Not surprising that you support Zippyjuan: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post6611662


    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter
    Here’s their report; New Quality-Control Investigations on Vaccines: Micro- and Nanocontamination (2017): http://medcraveonline.com/IJVV/IJVV-04-00072.php

    They found all sorts of dirty stuff in vaccines (with the exception of 1, if I remember correctly a vaccine for cats).
    The peaks show what kind of elements are in the vaccines.



    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter
    What is missing is the concentration, which would be needed if this “study” could have any significance.
    Because of these derailing posts by Intoxiklown I spent some time reading the paper.
    Table 3 doesn’t contain a description of the concentration but it does describe the size and amount of “debris” (I have no reason to believe that these were in the vaccines by “accident”).
    Infanrix hexa – 1821 “debris”.
    Varilrix - 2723 “debris”.
    Fluarix – 1317 “debris”.
    Cervarix – 1569 “debris”.
    Agrippal S1 – 1029 “debris”.

    Similar aggregates were found by other scientists in the blood of leukemic patients and in subjects affected by cryoglobulinemia...
    Last edited by Firestarter; 04-19-2018 at 08:17 AM.
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  18. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    Let’s see if I can get this thread back on topic.

    The article in the OP describes that the Italian scientists that last year published a report on finding all sorts of dirty material in vaccines were harassed by the cops that confiscated their research material including their computers.

    Then Intoxiklown came to the rescue of big pharma and our legal system that protects the biggest criminals (including the medical industry).
    If you really want to call me pointing out that these two have a LONG history of lying and use the junkiest of junk science to promote their "theories" and generate money for their business as coming "to the rescue of big pharma and our legal system that protects the biggest criminals (including the medical industry)" then let me know now as it's pointless to talk to you past this. I didn't "defend" anyone. Instead I pointed out why banking any kind of validity to this article is a being extremely intellectually dishonest.




    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    2) Because these scientists used the money of a non-profit organisation, this makes it reasonable that the cops destroyed their research.
    Is your point that only big pharma is allowed to use its money to manipulate “scientific” research?
    I guess you don’t agree that it’s a good thing that people actually finance independent research as you apparently support that big pharma doesn’t act in the best interests of public health...
    Are you claiming that they made a lot of money from their report on all of the dirty stuff? Who paid them these millions, all of these rich anti-vaxxers?!? Please show us the evidence...
    They will certainly be financially destroyed by the Italian corrupt legal system (P2 member Berlusconi has never even been sentenced for all of his illegal activities), I can promise you that...
    Thank you for providing yet more proof how this preconceived notion and bias makes the vast majority of people within the anti-vaxx movement so completely ignorant of facts. The only point I made was relaying the stated reasons (which Stefano Montanari HIMSELF has stated as the reason for the raid and seizures, but he's probably part of the Big Pharma conspiracy, amirite?) for the event. And again you're equating stating simple facts regarding a case or person as blanket defense of this global cabal. That's a nice way to keep that personal world view safe by taking any thing that discredits anyone or any stance within your view as a blanket defense of your perceived "enemy stance". This is like you covering your ears and screaming, "Nyah Nyah" and going on to tell yourself that you have a black belt in intellectual judo.

    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    3) The scientists can’t be taken seriously because they have translated their title “PhD in Experimental Physics” wrong and Intoxiklown explains that the woman first got her university degree (comparable to a PhD) and actually also got a postdoc diploma. She couldn't even get a postdoc if she had not finished university with her degree first...

    Probably these Italians speak English a whole lot better than Intoxiklown speaks Italian...
    Sweet Christ....your reading comprehension is atrocious. Her first degree is NOT COMPARABLE to a PhD.....this is per the university itself:

    http://www.istruzione.it/urp/corsi_t...iversita.shtml

    You are right though that the Italians speak Italian FAR better than I, which is why I had to take time translating things AS WELL ask a few Italian net friends who live in Italy I met through online video games 20 years ago. I took these steps because, as I told Donnay, I like to be sure I know what I'm talking about before I take positions. May I suggest the same approach to you? Or does that request mean I'm now once again engaged in a blanket defense of Big Pharma?




    [QUOTE=Firestarter;6619027]4) Stefano Montanari is no doctor.
    They are physicists that on average are more intelligent than the average medical quack that is allowed to carry the title “Doctor”.[quote]

    No, he is a pharmacist. Which is in NO WAY a DOCTOR, whether it be in a medical or scholastic position.

    So far your "I'm going to teach Intox a lesson" attempt is only getting you worked over like a $2 whore. Let's see if you can mount a comeback.....


    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    5) The report can’t be taken seriously because it hasn’t been published in the “reputable” medical papers controlled by big pharma.
    From my point of view these “reputable” medical papers are about as reliable as the propaganda spread by CNN, FOX, BBC and Infowars (I’m sure Donnay disagrees with me on that last one)...
    So now you're back to selective comprehension and deflection by associating anything that threatens your view as part of defense of that global big pharma cabal. The fact that people source these "reports" as scientific proof VERY much makes questioning the hosting journal valid. More so that the only places "studies" such as these are ONLY found on journals that only have one requirement.....pay them a fee. And those reputable journals you consider propaganda have review boards of qualified people to insure that scientific method is used and actually written by people who know what they're talking. They even will check spelling which is important because that study is FILLED with misspelled words. But it's valid science, both board and peer reviewed? If they can't even check spelling, it takes a retarded monkey to think they checked the science. What is does show is that send them your "study" attached along with payment and they list it in their journal giving people their "source" to prove that a "study" has vindicated them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    No you didn’t you used strawman arguments and ad hominem attacks to discredit this story. I posted the controversial scientific looking report (in English), but you blatantly ignored it.
    No, I read it before you posted it here. It was after reading it that I looked into who the ones conducting it were which you obviously didn't do. Had you done so, you'd know Antonietta Gatti, is a bioengineer whose background seems to be in materials science. She has absolutely no background in areas that would be germane to the claims made by this paper – toxicology, immunology, or other fields that would give the paper some credibility as to what the results mean. And you'd have know that Stefano Montanari is a freaking pharmacist. But facts that work against that world view of yours' (here we go again) obviously must be strawmen attacks.


    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    They investigated using “an X-ray”, the complete description “Field Emission Gun Environmental Electron Scanning Microscope equipped with the X-ray microprobe of an Energy Dispersive Spectroscope”. In their report they actually describe examining the samples under low vacuum…
    Again with zero reading comprehension. No $#@! they have to examine in a vacuum, which is what I said. I stressed that because of what happens to liquid in such an environment and how it would appear when examined. $#@!....you debate like a monkey trying to hump a football.

    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    That’s a lie, not surprising as you’re only interested in derailing this thread...
    What these scientist did was use X-rays to measure what elements were in the vaccines.
    What's not surprising is many of your positions now that's you've put put your ungodly lack of $#@!ing grey matter on display. EVERYTHING I've said has been directly related to this thread. Because I use words you've never heard of and actually have some understanding f chemistry and biology doesn't mean I'm trying to derail anything. It means you're a moron.

    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    Not surprising that you support Zippyjuan: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post6611662
    lol....yet again more of your "Look at how much I suck at understanding things I read"! And don't try to get some kind of guilt by association angle going on hoping to bring people who hate Zippy to help you. You wanted to drop nuts, now you get to wear them.


    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    The peaks show what kind of elements are in the vaccines.




    Because of these derailing posts by Intoxiklown I spent some time reading the paper.
    Table 3 doesn’t contain a description of the concentration but it does describe the size and amount of “debris” (I have no reason to believe that these were in the vaccines by “accident”).
    Infanrix hexa – 1821 “debris”.
    Varilrix - 2723 “debris”.
    Fluarix – 1317 “debris”.
    Cervarix – 1569 “debris”.
    Agrippal S1 – 1029 “debris”.

    Similar aggregates were found by other scientists in the blood of leukemic patients and in subjects affected by cryoglobulinemia...
    Again, those numbers are so low, that they’re not even close to being biologically active, and more potent sources for these contaminants can be found in food, water and air. Meaning what they found is in EVERYTHING at that scale. Meaning what that "study" REALLY shows is how PURE those vaccines tested were.

    Learn to science.
    "Self conquest is the greatest of all victories." - Plato



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  20. #17
    Sorry....while I was raping your pitiful retort, I forgot this gem.....


    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    Are you claiming that they made a lot of money from their report on all of the dirty stuff? Who paid them these millions, all of these rich anti-vaxxers?!? Please show us the evidence...

    Here is their company http://www.nanodiagnostics.it/en/

    Never mind that pretty much every company and group they list as sources, supporters, fellows, ect are ALL somehow operated by these two idiots.

    Since we've established you can't read for $#@! I'll summarize how that site relates. All the fear mongering horse $#@! they distribute via their other groups (if you want to talk about propaganda...) gets people who, like you, are science stupid terrified and wanting to have their tissues sampled by them to see if they are "contaminated" as well for a "small fee" and then can recommend a group that specializes in treatment for it. I'll give you three guesses who owns the groups they get referred to.
    "Self conquest is the greatest of all victories." - Plato

  21. #18


    The peaks show what kind of elements are in the vaccines.
    Mostly salt (NaCl). "O" is oxygen. "C" is carbon. Beware of those deadly toxic contaminants!
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 04-19-2018 at 08:01 PM.

  22. #19
    Why was their lab shut down? (google translation from Italian): http://gazzettadimodena.gelocal.it/m...898?refresh_ce

    The scientist is investigated for fraud, with the investigation that revolves around the complaint of a non-profit organization on a microscope purchased with a popular subscription starting from the blog of Beppe Grillo, entrusted to Gatti for his research and then donated by the non-profit organization Faenza. The non-profit organization accuses the professor of having used the tool for profit and not for scientific research,

  23. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by Intoxiklown
    You are right though that the Italians speak Italian FAR better than I, which is why I had to take time translating things AS WELL ask a few Italian net friends who live in Italy I met through online video games 20 years ago. I took these steps because, as I told Donnay, I like to be sure I know what I'm talking about before I take positions.
    One the one hand you admit that you don’t speak Italian.
    On the other hand you use links to pages in Italian (and so-called “Italian net friends”) to discredit these “scientists”. But to hide your ignorance you claim that you “took these steps”.
    You don’t have any credibility whatsoever....


    Quote Originally Posted by Intoxiklown
    And those reputable journals you consider propaganda have review boards of qualified people to insure that scientific method is used and actually written by people who know what they're talking.
    I agree that those review boards are about as “independent” as CNN, FOX, BBC, Infowars and Intoxiklown


    Quote Originally Posted by Intoxiklown
    The fact that people source these "reports" as scientific proof VERY much makes questioning the hosting journal valid.
    They used a “Spectroscope” to measure what materials were in the vaccines.
    That is undeniable “scientific” evidence (but of course not good enough for big pharma supporters).


    Quote Originally Posted by Intoxiklown
    All the fear mongering horse $#@! they distribute via their other groups (if you want to talk about propaganda...) gets people who, like you, are science stupid terrified and wanting to have their tissues sampled by them to see if they are "contaminated" as well for a "small fee" and then can recommend a group that specializes in treatment for it.
    You claim that these “scientists” are both scientific as financial frauds and for evidence point to articles in Italian. And because you don’t have any evidence, resort to cheap insults once again.
    If theoretically speaking these “scientists” are frauds (like you claim) this still wouldn’t justify that their research material was confiscated.
    Of course if the objective of the actions by the crooked Italian cops was to stop their research that would easily explain that all of their research was taken away. But according to the supporters of the medical industry it’s really unfair to use “logic”.
    As you’re not capable of inventing another explanation, you’ll probably continue your cheap insults…


    Quote Originally Posted by Intoxiklown
    That's a nice way to keep that personal world view safe by taking any thing that discredits anyone or any stance within your view as a blanket defense of your perceived "enemy stance". This is like you covering your ears and screaming, "Nyah Nyah" and going on to tell yourself that you have a black belt in intellectual judo.
    Quote Originally Posted by Intoxiklown
    What's not surprising is many of your positions now that's you've put put your ungodly lack of $#@!ing grey matter on display. EVERYTHING I've said has been directly related to this thread. Because I use words you've never heard of and actually have some understanding f chemistry and biology doesn't mean I'm trying to derail anything. It means you're a moron.
    Both quotes are accurate descriptions of the behavior of the big pharma supporters (like you). Using big words, that others are unscientific and ridiculing people that see the criminal behavior of big pharma for what it is.


    Quote Originally Posted by Intoxiklown
    Again, those numbers are so low, that they’re not even close to being biologically active, and more potent sources for these contaminants can be found in food, water and air.
    The (amount of) nano particles they found weren’t single molecules but particles much larger (some even the size of millimetres).
    They also found what they called “clusters” of toxic material of even larger size.


    Quote Originally Posted by Intoxiklown
    Again with zero reading comprehension. No $#@! they have to examine in a vacuum, which is what I said. I stressed that because of what happens to liquid in such an environment and how it would appear when examined. $#@!....you debate like a monkey trying to hump a football.
    You only use “big words” to hide that what you wrote is a bunch of horse $hit that’s not worth the time.
    If I understand your silly claijms correctly, because the “Spectroscope” they used needed “low vacuum” , they couldn’t measure the elements in a liquid like vaccines.
    The fact that they got some good spectrums to show for evidence, shows that they used the “Spectroscope” correctly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan
    Mostly salt (NaCl). "O" is oxygen. "C" is carbon. Beware of those deadly toxic contaminants!
    The spectrum shows which elements are found. I can imagine that the intensity of the peak illustrates how much is in there.
    Is your point that the salt in the vaccines neutralises the toxic ingredients like Aluminum (Al)?
    Last edited by Firestarter; 04-20-2018 at 08:37 AM.
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  24. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Influenza View Post
    stopped reading, clearly written by someone borderline illiterate

    But don't you get paid by the hour?
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    ...I believe that when the government is capable of doing a thing, it will.
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    which one of yall fuckers wrote the "ron paul" racist news letters
    Quote Originally Posted by Dforkus View Post
    Zippy's posts are a great contribution.




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  25. #22
    I can imagine that the intensity of the peak illustrates how much is in there.
    So how much is actually in there?

    the contaminates made up 0.0000000000000000000719% of that vial
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 04-21-2018 at 05:57 PM.

  26. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    So how much is actually in there?
    the contaminates made up 0.0000000000000000000719% of that vial
    That (low) percentage has been invented out of thin air.
    The report by the Italian "scientists" doesn't contain information on the concentration of the dirty, toxic material found in all the human vaccines they tested.

    Isn't it ironic that the only vaccine for animals tested contained none of these highly toxic chemicals?!?
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  27. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    That (low) percentage has been invented out of thin air.
    The report by the Italian "scientists" doesn't contain information on the concentration of the dirty, toxic material found in all the human vaccines they tested.

    Isn't it ironic that the only vaccine for animals tested contained none of these highly toxic chemicals?!?
    So how much is actually in one vaccine?

    Toxic chemicals like salt, carbon, and oxygen. Gotcha.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    So how much is actually in one vaccine?
    Unlike big pharma trolls I don't claim to know.
    Based on the peaks in the spectrum I posted, it could be that the Aluminium concentration is about half of the Natrium, only for that specific vaccine (this is a very rough estimate)...
    It looks to much higher than the "0.0000000000000000000719%" that you claimed!


    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Toxic chemicals like salt, carbon, and oxygen. Gotcha.
    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    Here’s their report; New Quality-Control Investigations on Vaccines: Micro- and Nanocontamination (2017): http://medcraveonline.com/IJVV/IJVV-04-00072.php
    Table 2 contains a summary of the highly toxic chemicals found in which vaccine, including.

    Al – Aluminium
    Bi – Bismuth
    Cr - Chromium
    Fe – Iron

    Pb – Lead
    Ni – Nickel
    Si – Silicon
    Ti – Titanium

    W – Tungsten
    Zn – Zinc
    Zr – Zirconium
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  30. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    1) The article is badly written.
    Thank you for agreeing with me! I'm glad someone besides me cares about preserving the existence of a coherent language, as a prerequisite to thought, intelligence, communication, and indeed to living life as a rational, Western human.

    The article clearly describes what has happened, and as it doesn’t try to describe the scientific achievements of the Italian researchers, this argument is void of meaning.
    Confusion: I was not making an argument. If there was an argument, there would have been an "A, thus B, thus C." See?

    I'm sorry that, as a side-casualty of my comment, I may have made the article's claims look bad by pointing out the author wrote poorly. I just wanted to make my comment. Language is important. Literacy is important. When the time comes that everyone is too much of an illiterate moron for me to even hope to even convey any of my thoughts to them coherently, I will probably wish I would have spent more time and energy preserving language -- the essential substrate that makes that possible -- and less time arguing about issues (such as the relative quantity of aluminum in vaccination shots) that are not even possible to understand without language, and a nice, rigorous, cleanly-defined language at that.

    The quantity of rigorous understanding evinced in the debate occurring in this thread suggests to me that alarm is in fact called for -- the process of cognitive disintegration is already well along.



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