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"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Typically customers are asked to leave a business establishment when they are causing a scene or some other problem, not when they are being quiet and acting like normal people. Race baiters will often use skin color to try and say that was the reason they were asked to leave, and social media is all too accommodating for them.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
It's all about Freedom
correct, that's why, based on the information publicly available thus far, this situation is atypical, in that they were asked to leave without being disruptive. If there is evidence to the contrary, it would have to be presented. In the meanwhile, comparisons with "BELLIGERENT GANGBANGER WHITE DUDES" do little more than turn this forum into a caricature of itself - which you guys are doing a mighty fine job at if i do say so myself.
Last edited by dannno; 04-17-2018 at 10:23 AM.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
It would not be fair to say that as you have heard both sides already, lmao. starbucks didn't dispute their story at all. if they were being disruptive, it would be on a security camera or someone else's. If there was any actual dispute to the information available, we would hear something about it. But all we see is the conjecture of not-so-closeted racists like yourself.
Good God, what a bunch of horse $#@!.
Starbucks is clearly NOT on the side of the employee who made the decision, because "Starbucks" didn't make the decision to kick the customer out, that employee is disposable and this situation makes Starbucks look bad no matter what.
So when you say, "both sides" have their story public you still really still mean one side.
So let me ask again, would be fair to say that the information that is public so far is coming from one side, and not the other? The OTHER is the EMPLOYEE who made the decision. Like others have said, we have NOT heard their side of the story.
Why does this sort of basic $#@! need to be pointed out multiple times in the same thread? Is it because it is a Starbucks thread?
Last edited by dannno; 04-17-2018 at 10:43 AM.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
So why doesn't the employee speak up then? It's a 5 day old story. I'll do some mind-numbingly retarded conjecture to answer this question, like you: The employee actually is disgusted at the sight of black people and attempts to get them kicked out any chance he/she gets. sounds about as sensible as portraying the 2 dudes as black thug yahoos disturbing the peace
There are no crimes against people.
There are only crimes against the state.
And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.
This has got to be the dumbest $#@! I've ever read.
Name one thing I've ever said that is racist..
I would bet $100 there is more racial diversity in my friends and acquaintances throughout my life than you. I have three black friends in a town with like .5% black people. I've spent at least half my time living in hispanic neighborhoods in my town, and do currently, most of the time with hispanic people in my house.
Just because I am willing to admit there are obnoxious black people doesn't make me racist - because guess what? There are obnoxious white people too. So get a $#@!ing life.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Nor do I.
The cops did what they are supposed to do...arrest people and $#@! up their day.
Call out a guy with a wrecking ball to kill a fly, and don't be surprised when house gets knocked down.
My point is simply this: by calling the cops you now have a PR nightmare that will takes months to die down and cost millions of dollars.
Calling the cops in any situation should be a very last resort.
Starbucks in Philly , two black guys , I was looking for the rest of the joke , kind of expecting a Rabbi , Priest and a Nun too . Philly , LOL . City of Brotherly Love .
So the only video, is of what occurs after the cops arrive? Were the people recording this hoping for an altercation?
What matters most is what happened before the cops were called.
How long were they there before they were told to leave? Was it 1 minute or 30 minutes? Were they looking at a menu? Had they done this before? - i.e. was it a habit of there's to hang around without ordering anything? Had they come in just to use the toilet in the past (treating it like a government-funded public restroom)? -or- Was the store very busy so that they were preventing paying customers from sitting down? Without answers to these questions, it's narrow-minded for SJWs to assume it's all about their blackness. Of, course, any business has the right to kick you out if they have a problem with your being there.
Personally, I think most people who need to use a business's toilet make a point of finding something to buy - I had even done this (grudgingly) at Starbucks once, years ago (really needed to use that toilet!). It's simply the civil thing to do and only a child or someone who feels entitled would not realize it.
Not necessarily a set-up, but it's entirely possible that it was. Suing Starbucks for discrimination? Being who and what they are, they'd settle without any argument, plus donate to an assortment of activists' orgs in their desperation to "prove" they aren't racist.
Last edited by Valli6; 04-17-2018 at 11:24 AM.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/starbuc...sed-of-racism/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...oom/521233002/
https://news.starbucks.com/views/sta...lphia-incident
Regretfully, our practices and training led to a bad outcome—the basis for the call to the Philadelphia police department was wrong. Our store manager never intended for these men to be arrested and this should never have escalated as it did.
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
It's all about Freedom
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
The manager didn't want them arrested, great, but I was talking about the employee or manager who asked them to leave and whether that in and of itself was 'because they were black' or whether it was because the person was acting inappropriately for someone who wasn't buying anything. If you buy something, you can act a little more inappropriately than if you don't buy something, but there are still limits in both cases. I'm not defending what the cops did, but I don't really know what information they were acting on though either.
Last edited by dannno; 04-17-2018 at 11:50 AM.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
I would argue that the primary job of the police is not to "Keep the Peace", but to protect property rights. Suppose you catch someone breaking into your home and you call the police. "Keeping the Peace" could mean letting him go instead of arresting him.
The two guys should've left peacefully when they were asked and then they could make a big deal out of it. By refusing they were committing a crime. If I want someone off of my property I don't want to have to prove that I have moral justification to do so. I just want it done.
Nah, it was more than that.
Starbucks can get hectic during rush hour, but most of the time they are kinda like a library except everybody is quietly working on their computers.
If you go in and you are quiet and you sit in the corner and you go up and ask to use the restroom, no matter what color skin you have you won't have a problem.
If you go in there and you are making a scene and bothering the customers and not buying anything, then you ask to use the restroom they will probably use that as an excuse to get you out of there.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Police should not exist in a free and civilized society.... Period.
Police are Enforcers of Control.. "Police" by definition are "to control"..
It is an authoritarian construct... and necessary for authoritarian society.. But has no place in a Free Society.
If you want someone off you property then man up an remove them yourself rather that some STATE Bully boys.
Responsibility,, for your actions,, and the consequences.
Calling police is a cowardly duck of responsibility.
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
It's all about Freedom
LOL! You are the absolute worst infiltrator among your ultra progressive group on RPF. If I were your manager, then I would either cut your pay or get rid of you altogether. Geez, PRB is in the red rep, but he was a zillion times more skilled than you. You really stink, holmes.
@PRB, get back here and show this hothead how it's done! LOL
Last edited by NorthCarolinaLiberty; 04-17-2018 at 12:29 PM.
Disrupt, Deny, Deflate. Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3): http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...eptive-members
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