Trump vs. DeSantis

[nobody's_hero]

That is a primary poll. DeSantis would win the primary if held today ending Trump's ambitions. Republicans like DeSantis more than Trump.

The Trumpkins would line up behind DeSantis if he won the primary. They always do. DeSantis would beat Biden.

I think it's more likely that they start saying the same sh*% about DeSantis that they say about Trump, pulling the same stunts to keep him out of office, and the Trump people won't give you any sympathy. At all.

[Swordsmyth]

The Soviets pretty quickly lost their "facade of credibility [...] with the people", too.

That didn't stop (or even seriously impede) them from possessing and wielding power for quite a long while.

Cheating or no cheating, the Democrats (or anyone else) can maintain control for just exactly as long as they are able to acquire & maintain power and are willing & able to use it.

The USSR had already had its civil war and crushed the people before the reds lost credibility.
The Ds have not and will not succeed because they are losing too much credibility already.

[Occam's Banana]

The USSR had already had its civil war and crushed the people before the reds lost credibility.
The Ds have not and will not succeed because they are losing too much credibility already.

Credibility is not power - and the only "credibility" needed by those who have power is their willingness and ability to use it.

If the Democrats are cheating and getting away with it, then that is a clear demonstration of their power, not of their lack of it.

[Swordsmyth]

Credibility is not power - and the only "credibility" needed by those who have power is their willingness and ability to use it.

If the Democrats are cheating and getting away with it, then that is a clear demonstration of their power, not of their lack of it.

Credibility is required until you have absolute power.
You need people to follow you while you take absolute power.
The Dems have yet to take absolute power and are losing all credibility.

[CaptUSA]

Credibility is not power - and the only "credibility" needed by those who have power is their willingness and ability to use it.

If the Democrats are cheating and getting away with it, then that is a clear demonstration of their power, not of their lack of it.

Yep.

They don't require credibility - only plausibility. If the crap they pull seems plausible to at least a portion of the population, that's all it takes. The media will label anyone who questions that plausible narrative a heretic. Elections, Covid, Climate, Education, Health Care... doesn't matter.

[Snowball]

The media is playing it up when it doesn't really exist.

They are manipulating headlines and interpretations and putting words in DeSantis' mouth when he meant something else.

[Occam's Banana]

Credibility is required until you have absolute power.

No, it isn't.

(You merely need enough people in enough of the right positions.)

You need people to follow you while you take absolute power.

No, you don't.

(You merely need enough people in enough of the right positions.)

The Dems have yet to take absolute power and are losing all credibility.

Losing credibility? Sure ... that's why we don't have a senile & nigh-incoherent child-sniffer in the Oval Office ... or a new stroke-aphasic & nigh-incoherent Senator from PA ... or a state election system (such as in AZ, just to pick one at random) that would embarrass a third-world country and which was ultimately overseen by the same person who was just elected as that state's Governor ... etc., etc. ... oh, wait ...

Credibility does not matter. Power does. (The farce in Arizona amply demonstrates this. [1]) And to all evidence, the Democrats generally appear to be better than Republicans at getting power and using it to their advantage. (Hell, even when they have power, Republicans don't seem to have any idea what to actually do with it, apart from preserving whatever the Democrats have already done.)



[1] And if cheating occurred, then that just demonstrates it even more strongly. As I said before:

If the Democrats are cheating and getting away with it, then that is a clear demonstration of their power, not of their lack of it.

[CaptUSA]

(Hell, even when they have power, Republicans don't seem to have any idea what to actually do with it, apart from preserving whatever the Democrats have already done.)

[Swordsmyth]

FLASHBACK: Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis Cheered on Federal Jan. 6 Probe, Encouraged Pro-Trump Patriots to be Thrown Behind Bars

https://bigleaguepolitics.com/flashb...n-behind-bars/

[Occam's Banana]

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/sta...86896317652992

[Valli6]

DeSantis has done a great job performing as Florida’s governor, and Trump continues to disappoint me by (amongst other things) endorsing people who will stab us in the back (most recently McCarthy for speaker) - HOWEVER, DeSantis is clearly a neocon who formerly has, and would again, embrace Bush foreign policies if he were in the White House. He'd throw that fiscal conservatism right out the window when it comes to "spreading democracy" overseas!

If he’s presidential material, why do y’all think he’s never, ever even slightly broached the subject? Has he no observations to share about the billions sent to Ukraine? or the killing off of Ukraine’s best men in a war they can’t win? And no one thinks to asks him for his thoughts, or seemingly, even privately wonders about it?!

Remember: During GW Bush’s first campaign, he professed to support a foreign policy that made him sound like Ron Paul! That video has been posted numerous times on this forum, but I guess not lately. We already know that candidates hide their big-spending, war-mongering tendencies prior to the election.

I wish he were my governor, but I would never support this neocon trojan horse for president.

(Skip to 23:56 for DeSantis part)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PJuA3PnXEw

[acptulsa]

Trump continues to disappoint me by (amongst other things) endorsing people who will stab us in the back (most recently McCarthy for speaker) - HOWEVER, DeSantis is clearly a neocon who formerly has, and would again, embrace Bush foreign policies if he were in the White House.

This. The very title of this thread offends me. It's just more obvious propaganda. They are not the only two natural born Americans over 35. Therefore, they are not the only two options.

None Of The Above

[Occam's Banana]

https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/...41530462228480

[Occam's Banana]

From another thread:

Donald Trump Maintains Double-Digit Lead in 2024 Primary

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...-2024-primary/

HANNAH BLEAU 25 Jan 2023

Former President Donald Trump is continuing to maintain a sizable lead in a hypothetical 2024 Republican primary race, the latest survey from Morning Consult found.

The data showed Trump garnering support from nearly half of those surveyed — 49 percent. Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) falls 19 points behind with 30 percent support.

No other potential challenger came close or saw double-digit support, as former Vice President Mike Pence fell to a distant third with seven percent support. Former U.S. ambassador to the U.N. Nikki Haley fell to fourth place with three percent support, and former Rep. Liz Cheney (R-WY), as well as Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX), saw two percent support each.

Morning Consult noted that Trump’s 19-point lead in the hypothetical primary is up from an 11-point gap — the biggest low — measured earlier this month. At the time, Trump saw 45 percent support to DeSantis’s 34 percent.

Still, DeSantis remains the top backup choice for Trump voters, as 42 percent chose him. Similarly, Trump appears as the top second choice for DeSantis supporters as well with 39 percent choosing him.

The survey also matched up Trump and DeSantis against President Biden and found Trump leading the president by three percent, 44 percent to 41 percent. Ten percent said “someone else,” and six percent remain undecided.

Biden, however, leads DeSantis by two percent — 43 percent to 41 percent. In that instance, eight percent said “someone else,” and another eight percent remain undecided. In both matchups, the undecideds could swing the race in either direction.

Both Trump and DeSantis are also enjoying top favorable ratings among Republican voters as well — 78 percent and 72 percent, respectively.

All the while, 44 percent of GOP primary voters said they seen, read, or heard something “positive” about DeSantis in the last week, while just 13 percent said they have heard something negative. Three in ten, meanwhile, said they have seen, read, or heard something negative about Trump, while 36 percent report hearing, seeing, or reading something positive.

The survey was taken January 20-22, 2023, among 3,592 potential GOP primary voters.

It coincides with the latest Emerson College survey which told a similar story, showing Trump leading DeSantis by double digits yet again — 55 percent to the Florida governor’s 29 percent. Further, that same survey found Trump leading Biden in a presidential matchup, 44 percent to the 80-year-old’s 41 percent.

“Since the November national poll, Trump’s support has increased by three percentage points, from 41% to 44% and Biden’s support has decreased by four percentage points, from 45% to 41%,” the survey found.

The latest Harvard-Harris 2024 poll also showed Trump leading Biden in a head-to-head matchup, 46 percent to 41 percent.

[Occam's Banana]

https://twitter.com/jmart/status/1619492914513739778

[sparebulb]

I wonder who will win the fight to get Stikki-Nikki Haley on their ticket?

Trump might be loosing because he said something critical about our Ukrainian project....

That is, until he says that he supports Zelenskyyyyy/Israel more bigly than anyone else.

[69360]

https://twitter.com/jmart/status/1619492914513739778

Trump invented the vax though...

[Anti Federalist]

https://twitter.com/jmart/status/1619492914513739778

This is what is going to make me actively work against this guy.

The ego of this man is bigger than his casinos.

STFU and admit, "I was wrong, very wrong", humble yourself before the graves of dead that these $#@!ing poison shots have and are killing and beg Jesus for forgiveness.

[Swordsmyth]

This is what is going to make me actively work against this guy.

The ego of this man is bigger than his casinos.

STFU and admit, "I was wrong, very wrong", humble yourself before the graves of dead that these $#@!ing poison shots have and are killing and beg Jesus for forgiveness.

He's right about DeSantis though.
I would love to have a better option than Trump but I don't see one yet.

[acptulsa]

He's right about DeSantis though.
I would love to have a better option than Trump but I don't see one yet.

Of course you don't. Trump is the mud-slingingest, thou shalt speak ill of every other Republicanest, biggest bully to win the Republican nomination in the history of the party. But if anyone ever hits back with the slightest criticism of Trump, no matter how achingly obvious in its accuracy, you automatically disqualify that person and add the name to your enemies list.

You will never, ever see an alternative. Ever. So?

[Snowball]

If Trump gets in, there could be some wild cards up his sleeve. Regarding foreign policy.
Consider...

1) Final term. Can be truer to himself.
2) Russians know and respect him more than DeSantis.
3) Trump won't care what the globalists try to do as much, not running again.
4) Trump harbors some bitterness against Bibi Netanyahu.
5) Trump was coaxed into assassinating Solemani at Israel's behest, but didn't get anything from it.

If we consider how Bolton, Haley, other neocons and of course neolibs oppose Trump, but the neocons
aren't lining up against DeSantis... have to expect them to have more power over DeSantis.

[Anti Federalist]

New polling by Trafalgar out of South Carolina:

https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/s...91823533305857

[Anti Federalist]

In NH, Trump leads by double digits as well.

[jbnevin]

Credibility does not matter. Power does. (The farce in Arizona amply demonstrates this. [1]) And to all evidence, the Democrats generally appear to be better than Republicans at getting power and using it to their advantage. (Hell, even when they have power, Republicans don't seem to have any idea what to actually do with it, apart from preserving whatever the Democrats have already done.)

The more that people in control are obsessed with power, the more what you say is true. However, that is within the domain in which they seek to maintain it. Outside of that domain are hugs and bitcoin, for instance.

[jbnevin]

If Trump gets in, there could be some wild cards up his sleeve. Regarding foreign policy.
Consider...

1) Final term. Can be truer to himself.
2) Russians know and respect him more than DeSantis.
3) Trump won't care what the globalists try to do as much, not running again.
4) Trump harbors some bitterness against Bibi Netanyahu.
5) Trump was coaxed into assassinating Solemani at Israel's behest, but didn't get anything from it.

If we consider how Bolton, Haley, other neocons and of course neolibs oppose Trump, but the neocons
aren't lining up against DeSantis... have to expect them to have more power over DeSantis.

Not my wheelhouse, but all this is interesting. I think alliances will change a lot until then. Though a lot of political 'truisms' won't be true to the extent election rigging is mitigated and to the extent people stop watching TV, I still think it is a long game and there is such a thing as early burnout, for instance.

Here, it looks to me like all camps are playing games, jockeying for position. We are the voters to be 'persuaded' you see.

[TheCount]

If Trump gets in, there could be some wild cards up his sleeve. Regarding foreign policy.
Consider...

1) Final term. Can be truer to himself.
2) Russians know and respect him more than DeSantis.
3) Trump won't care what the globalists try to do as much, not running again.
4) Trump harbors some bitterness against Bibi Netanyahu.
5) Trump was coaxed into assassinating Solemani at Israel's behest, but didn't get anything from it.

Is this the cope over why he didn't do what you wanted in his first term?

Wasn't his selling point that as a "rich" "outsider" "anti-establishment" choice he wouldn't be beholden to anybody?

[Anti Globalist]

It’s going to be hilarious watching DeSantis supporters cry foul play when Biden beats him only for DeSantis to tell his supporters to shut up and accept the results of the election. Anyone with half a brain knows there won’t be any election rigging talk coming from DeSantis.

[Swordsmyth]

Of course you don't. Trump is the mud-slingingest, thou shalt speak ill of every other Republicanest, biggest bully to win the Republican nomination in the history of the party. But if anyone ever hits back with the slightest criticism of Trump, no matter how achingly obvious in its accuracy, you automatically disqualify that person and add the name to your enemies list.

You will never, ever see an alternative. Ever. So?

LOL

DeSantis is the darling of the Bush crowd and nobody else has a chance.
Anyone with no chance to win (and Rand proved he is one so don't bother to bring him up) who attacks Trump is helping our enemies against our current best option.
Show me one person with a better agenda than Trump who builds the following required to beat Trump and if I agree they are better I will tear Trump to shreds, I'd give my back teeth for a young Buchanan with a movement behind him.
You know how DeSantis got within striking rage of Trump? he supported Trump and Trump's agenda as the best option around instead of attacking him for his imperfections until he was ready to strike.

[Swordsmyth]

[devil21]

He's America First except when's signing NAU treaties. Never again, of course.