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Thread: Do You Trust Trump to Reform Taxes?

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    Do You Trust Trump to Reform Taxes?

    Trump is touting his unrevealed tax reform plan. I have a list a reason not to trust him to lowers taxes:

    1) He has flip flopped on nearly every foreign policy campaign promise.
    2) He has big government spending plans; $1 trillion/year on defense; $1 trillion infrastructure; a wall that could run over $50 billion.
    3) He is getting rid of many of his fiscal conservative from his staff and being advised by left leaning fiscal people.



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    No , I really do not trust congress , senate or the pres to reform taxes . Since most tax plans I have read in the past ten years by various people really raise the amount of tax I would have pd .

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    Do you trust anybody?

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    The Trump aspect yes. I believe Trump does want to reduce taxes. Problem is the GOP Congressional leadership, which wants only "revenue neutral" cuts that simply shift the tax burden from corporations on to the middle class. Can Trump defeat the Swamp? Maybe, but odds are strongly in favor of the Swamp.

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    Without significant budget cuts, taxes cannot be reformed. The beast must be fed. I do not see any significant budget cuts in the future, therefore, I do not see any tax reform.

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    nope
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    Do You Trust Trump to.....

    Nope.
    There is no spoon.



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    Quote Originally Posted by RonPaulMall View Post
    The Trump aspect yes. I believe Trump does want to reduce taxes. Problem is the GOP Congressional leadership, which wants only "revenue neutral" cuts that simply shift the tax burden from corporations on to the middle class. Can Trump defeat the Swamp? Maybe, but odds are strongly in favor of the Swamp.
    So do you figure Trump wants less power and money to play with, or do you figure he wants to transfer the burden from us onto his hotels and his country clubs?

    And have you seen one scrap of evidence to support this theory, or are you just maintaining this child-like faith because he said he wants to stem the influx of brown people?
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    We believe our lying eyes...

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    I trusted Trump to reign in a lot of burdensome regulations, and while there is a long way to go significant progress has been made.

    I trusted Trump to pick someone for the Supreme Court who believes in the original interpretation of the Constitution and he did pretty well there too.

    I trusted Trump to at least say SOMETHING about Antifa/Alt-left when a major showdown happened at one of these protests and he went to bat at a tough time, took a lot of heat and eventually won that issue.

    Foreign policy has been has been on the disappointing side, but I am not totally surprised at that. I still think we are much better off foreign policy wise than we would be with Hillary, and I think we are going in a much less globalist direction in general which is also a huge win. People who say everything would be the same with Hillary are wrong, IMO. Now is it enough to overcome our seemingly insurmountable debt and avoid a dollar crisis and economic collapse? I dunno.. but certainly if you only consider choice A and B, our country made the correct one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    So do you figure Trump wants less power and money to play with, or do you figure he wants to transfer the burden from us onto his hotels and his country clubs?

    And have you seen one scrap of evidence to support this theory, or are you just maintaining this child-like faith because he said he wants to stem the influx of brown people?
    I could care less about the wall, in fact if I had to choose I would vote 'no' on the wall. I admit there may be a positive outcome to building it, as opposed to the next most realistic option which is not building it and keeping our welfare state.. but I support Trump because I think he legitimately wants our country to become better. I don't agree with all of his tactics, but I don't think he is working against our country like the people who pull Hillary's strings. I think he is being pressured to work against our country very strongly, but I think he is legitimately trying hard to push back where he can.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    I would like to see spending cuts . Problem with tax reform is I really doubt they are bright enough to do it without screwing people .

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    Trump is a businessman and also a successful reality tv star, I would trust him with my life
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    Has this ever worked before?


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    He didn't release any details this week but his proposals in the past would be beneficial to the very wealthy- people like Donald Trump. Don't expect any cuts for yourself.

    Like his repeal replace Obamacare, he quit talking about any details and is leaving everything to Congress (well, Trump himself can't enact any tax reforms- Congress must write and pass the laws and then he gets the chance to sign the bill if he likes it). That way, failure is not his fault- he has somebody else he can blame it on. Tax reform is incredibly difficult to pass- every tax line has some special interest group who will resist it being changed. Getting enough of Congress to agree will be difficult. I predict no significant change. The "border tax" idea seems to be dead. Complaints are that corporate rates are too high yet corporations have so many deductions that many corporations actually pay little to no taxes. Individual tax cuts? About half of all income tax files owe no net taxes so would not get any tax cuts. If his initial ideas are adopted, the income gap will grow.

    He did at one point say he wanted tax reform to be "revenue neutral"- ie not increase the debt. That means that tax cuts in one place must be off-set by higher taxes someplace else. Where would those higher taxes be if you cut taxes for corporations and the wealthy who pay 90% of all taxes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Where would those higher taxes be if you cut taxes for corporations and the wealthy who pay 90% of all taxes?
    He may cut funding for the online operations(forum trolling). This costs way too much given its lack of effectiveness.



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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    He may cut funding for the online operations(forum trolling). This costs way too much given its lack of effectiveness.
    So you will lose your job?

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    Theft reform.

    Make theft great again.
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    Trump would probably sign anything passed through Congress and declare victory. Thus, this is a question of trusting Congress.

    I trust Rand, Massie, Amash, Brat and several others could come up with something better than what we have today, but not the bought and paid for Congress as a whole.

    We'll get some crony insider plan.
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    Here's a plan: abolish personal income tax.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Here's a plan: abolish personal income tax.
    This is something only an insane person would say. Everybody knows the government needs the money to take care of us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Here's a plan: abolish personal income tax.
    And risk losing World War I?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RonPaulMall View Post
    Problem is the GOP Congressional leadership, which wants only "revenue neutral" cuts that simply shift the tax burden from corporations on to the middle class.
    I don't view that as a problem. For almost a hundred years we've been shifting the tax burden from the poor to the rich (socialism). Morally and economically we need to go the other way and have a flat tax system, either sales or income. Laws should be applied the same for everyone. There's a reason progressive taxation is the second plank of the communist manifesto.

    The problem is when you try to undo past socialism you get blamed for "giveaways for the rich".

    That being said the real solution is to drastically cut spending.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    That being said the real solution is to drastically cut spending.
    Ain't gonna happen. Any other ideas?



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    Do you trust corporations to re-write NAFTA?
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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Ain't gonna happen. Any other ideas?
    Cut taxes and borrow more? Go deeper into debt? Replace the income tax with a 30% national sales tax?

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Ain't gonna happen. Any other ideas?
    Wait until we're broke. Then we'll HAVE to cut spending!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Here's a plan: abolish personal income tax.
    But without federal income tax, how would state governments get money for roads
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    But without federal income tax, how would state governments get money for roads
    The same way they are currently doing it - have the Federal Reserve print the money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Trump would probably sign anything passed through Congress and declare victory. Thus, this is a question of trusting Congress.

    I trust Rand, Massie, Amash, Brat and several others could come up with something better than what we have today, but not the bought and paid for Congress as a whole.

    We'll get some crony insider plan.
    Thats right.

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