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Are you mentally challenged or just trolling? How many times now do I have to answer this? Go read the first post. These questions about who supports it and who does not are listed in the first $#@!ing post.
Do I support it? http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post6921553
Again, trying reading the thread before replying.
Gary Johnson is a libertarian
Bernie Sanders is too, so is Pelosi and Hillary Free sht for everybody..........ya hoooo!!!!!!!!!
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
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That won't happen either, what will happen is that UBI will be ADDED to welfare and everyone will have a financial stake in voting for big government to redistribute wealth more and more.
The slow reduction is more possible than the swap and doesn't give a bad incentive to everyone.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Oh, good God. I know you're not troll. I'm talking about the prog trolls here. Duh.
I always read threads I reply to. Yes, I understand the principle versus practical argument. Duh.If you even bothered to read the first post in this thread,..
You asked my stance. Do you get what I was saying with the memes? You're just rebranding welfare with a fancy name. But a turd by any other name still smells like $#@!.
Last edited by NorthCarolinaLiberty; 02-13-2020 at 09:49 PM.
Disrupt, Deny, Deflate. Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3): http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...eptive-members
Anyway, the entire "discussion" is moot. You have paid, prog trolls here who make a mockery of this site. People are afraid to give these scumbags what they deserve. People here are afraid to lose their little RPF account.
If one is going to act like a cuck and let prog trolls make a mockery of your mission, then you will never win at anything.
Forgot about winning anything in politics. People here can't even win on their own site--their own home turf. People here are cucks who love to lose.
Disrupt, Deny, Deflate. Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3): http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...eptive-members
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"A politician will do almost anything to keep their job, even become a patriot" - Hearst
So let's devalue the currency even more.
"When people find they can vote themselves money, it will herald the end of the republic." - Benjamin Franklin
I get that welfare is a problem, but I don't know if there's any program that can be considered voting yourself money than one where you literally vote yourself money.
T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men
"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." - Plato
We Are Running Out of Time - Mini Me
Originally Posted by Philhelm
Current System
- Government involvement in peoples lives to determine threshold for benefits.
- Distributed exclusively to those in need and denied to everyone else. Creates animosity between citizens receiving and those not receiving benefits.
- Requires big government apparatus to administer, monitor and review citizens lives to be sure they meet the threshold.
- Tax dollars taken from citizens not returned to citizens
UBI
- No government intrusion in citizens personal lives.
- Distributed to everyone. So no animosity between those taxed and those receiving.
- Minimal government to administer.
- Some Tax dollars taken from citizens returned to citizens.
But then there is this.
What happens if you replace every social program with a universal basic income
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...-welfare-state
It’s … not great.
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An American basic income, funded by cutting everything, would screw the elderly and help almost everyone else
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Instead of a pure basic income, it might be time for a negative income tax.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
I thought I put up both sides in that last post. I do not see how Seniors getting screwed in the process makes it more palatable despite the positives listed.
I am not even going outside libertarian beliefs. I am posting libertarian vs libertarian views on this topic. Have we become that afraid of discussing both sides of the truth here?
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
The only waste of time is you.
Check under your bed, there's bound to be somebody there.RPF has paid-prog trolls. That's a fact.
Judging by your rep bar vs mine, you're right, trolls are making a mockery of this board and getting rewarded.They make a mockery of this forum. Not only does no one want to do anything about it--the trolls are rewarded!
This forum exists for trolls, find another job if you aren't having fun. What exactly are you dreaming of accomplishing?If this forum can't even take care of simple business like trolls, then this place will never accomplish a single thing. Ever.
Disrupt, Deny, Deflate. Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3): http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...eptive-members
UBI is yet another binding of the individual to the federal government, where he has no power. Let states decide what programs they want to administer.
The Bastiat Collection · FREE PDF · FREE EPUB · PAPER Frédéric Bastiat (1801-1850)
- "When law and morality are in contradiction to each other, the citizen finds himself in the cruel alternative of either losing his moral sense, or of losing his respect for the law."
-- The Law (p. 54)- "Government is that great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else."
-- Government (p. 99)- "[W]ar is always begun in the interest of the few, and at the expense of the many."
-- Economic Sophisms - Second Series (p. 312)- "There are two principles that can never be reconciled - Liberty and Constraint."
-- Harmonies of Political Economy - Book One (p. 447)· tu ne cede malis sed contra audentior ito ·
Once again to the op;
Who are these fake libertarians that you are referring to?
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