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    Louisiana House votes to require students to recite Declaration of Independence every day

    Louisiana House votes to require students to recite Declaration of Independence every day

    The Louisiana House voted 70-23 to require students to recite a portion of the Declaration of Independence at the beginning of school every day in the fourth through sixth grades.

    Currently, students are required to do very few things at the beginning of the day. Schools must give students and teachers the opportunity to pray and say the Pledge of Allegiance under state law. But no one is actually required to do either of these things when attending school.

    In contrast, the recitation of this portion of the Declaration of Independence would not be optional under this legislation. It would be a mandate. And the portion of the document that students would have to repeat makes reference to a "Creator." Some believe it is a backdoor way of putting religion in public school classrooms.

    Yet State Rep. Mike Johnson, R-Bossier City, insisted that was not the purpose of the legislation. Johnson along with the legislation's sponsor, Denham Springs Rep. Valarie Hodges, were the main backers of the bill.

    "This is the creed of our nation," Johnson said in an interview. "It's essential to who we are as Americans."

    House Bill 1035 also drew some opposition from the House's African American representatives. A few mentioned that not everyone -- particularly women and black people -- were considered equals to white men at the time the Declaration of Independence was written.

    Black residents in some communities across the South were also required to recite the Declaration of Independence before they could vote in the pre-Civil Rights era. So the legislation rubbed some African American lawmakers the wrong way.

    But Hodges said the sentiment of the Declaration of Independence -- and the reason for bringing the bill -- was to reinforce that everyone is created equal. She repeatedly mentioned that Martin Luther King Jr. had been inspired by the document.

    "The founding fathers did not give us slavery. Slavery existed way before," Hodges told the rest of the House.

    Before the legislation passed, Rep. Ed Price, D-Gonzales, tried to get an amendment attached to the bill requiring that students also recite a portion of King's "I have a Dream" in addition to that section of the Declaration of Independence. The House shot Price's amendment down on a 45-51 vote.

    Other amendments to have students recite the 13th amendment to the U.S. Constitution -- which abolished slavery -- and a speech from the women's suffrage movement had also been drafted. But the Legislature voted to block those proposals from consideration on a 58-38 vote. So they weren't discussed with the whole chamber.

    State Rep. Pat Smith, D-Baton Rouge, said she had more practical reasons for opposing the bill. She felt like it was another burden being placed on teachers by the statehouse in Baton Rouge. Lawmakers should stop trying to micromanage schools, she said.

    The bill will now head to the Louisiana Senate. The legislative session ends on Monday (June 6). Since the bill is moving so late, it is not clear whether the upper chamber will take it up before the session's closure.

    Read the exact passage that would have to be recited in schools below:

    "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."
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    ...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...



    seems they missed the most important line

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    ...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...


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    Gee, that may require them to learn how to read. The teacher's unions will be all up in arms and kill that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post

    ...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...



    seems they missed the most important line

    Second
    most important line.

    That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --

    That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it,
    “Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.” - Arnold Toynbee

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    In contrast, the recitation of this portion of the Declaration of Independence would not be optional under this legislation. It would be a mandate. And the portion of the document that students would have to repeat makes reference to a "Creator." Some believe it is a backdoor way of putting religion in public school classrooms.
    This is just wrong on all levels.. It should not be mandatory, it should be encouraged. Students should be inspired, not forced.

    And it's not a backdoor for religion. You don't have to be religious to have a creator. You can see your parents as your creator if you want. Your parents generally want you to be independent, free and happy. The point is that it does not matter who you consider to be your creator. What matters is that as an individual, you have rights.

    So yeah, whatever.
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    This is horse $#@!. This better like $#@!, not be replacing our Great & Honored pledge

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post

    Second
    most important line.

    That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --

    That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it,
    That sounds anti-American. HB, report him to big sis.
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    Aww, how sweet! So, in not reciting the whole declaration they manage to avoid:

    "He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions."

    How convenient.
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    -- as it surely will.
    Then act with courage.

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    Let me know when they decide to have their students memorize the preamble to the Bill of Rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XNavyNuke View Post
    Let me know when they decide to have their students lawmakers memorize the preamble to the Bill of Rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.



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