Why all of the hair pulling and teeth gnashing if enough of your fellow Republicans want Trump

[Ronin Truth]

Why all of the hair pulling and teeth gnashing if enough of your fellow Republicans want Trump?

Isn't that just exactly how the system is supposed to work?

[francisco]

Why all of the hair pulling and teeth gnashing if enough of your fellow Republicans want Trump?

Isn't that just exactly how the system is supposed to work?

Mostly it's the frustration and desolating, depressing realization that what Ron Paul said back in '08 and '12 --"Freedom is Popular" is not in fact true.

[spudea]

We are envious that Trump is able to do what we couldn't do in 2012, take over the party.

We've had to learn the hard truth that freedom actually isn't so popular, or at least not popular enough to challenge the corrupt establishment politicians that hold all the power.

[CPUd]

The majority of the GOP does not want Trump.

3/4 RPF members do not support Trump.

[enhanced_deficit]

Why all of the hair pulling and teeth gnashing if enough of your fellow Republicans want Trump?

Isn't that just exactly how the system is supposed to work?

I have great respect for democratic electoral process and have even considered at times to startegically support Trump's rhetorical attacks on Bush's/neocons world view, but it is sometimes hard to ignore that Trump's rhetoric gets quite blunt, politically incorrect and even divisive lately. Can a POTUS with following temprament and lack of verbal filter be trusted to preserve current two party system and established traditions? That is bound to make many people nervous or even scared.


GOP establishment silent as Trump repeats "little Marco","lying Ted" slurs almost daily

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Trump declines to correct man who says Obama is Muslim

[cajuncocoa]

@Ronin Truth

For one thing, I'm not a Republican.

If your fellow Republicans had chosen Lindsey Graham, would you still be asking this question? Or would you understand that those pushing Lindsey are pushing someone on RPF who goes against everything we stand for?

If you understand the second paragraph, you should be able to understand how many of us feel about Donald Trump. His really bad, terrible, awful, tyrannical, authoritarian, qualities far outweigh anything positive anyone has said about him on this site.

Sure, it's amusing to see the GOP establishment squirm after all they did to black Ron out. But that's not a good reason to subject the country to 4 years of Donald Trump. And it's not a good reason to promote him here at RPF because he also goes against so very much that we stand for.

[euphemia]

We are envious that Trump is able to do what we couldn't do in 2012, take over the party.

We've had to learn the hard truth that freedom actually isn't so popular, or at least not popular enough to challenge the corrupt establishment politicians that hold all the power.

In my opinion, Trump can be influenced. He didn't get where he is without listening and seeing a better way to do things. I think Trump will clean house. I would love to see the RNC replaced with liberty thinkers.

[RJ Liberty]

@Ronin Truth

For one thing, I'm not a Republican.

If your fellow Republicans had chosen Lindsey Graham, would you still be asking this question? Or would you understand that those pushing Lindsey are pushing someone on RPF who goes against everything we stand for?

If you understand the second paragraph, you should be able to understand how many of us feel about Donald Trump. His really bad, terrible, awful, tyrannical, authoritarian, qualities far outweigh anything positive anyone has said about him on this site.

Sure, it's amusing to see the GOP establishment squirm after all they did to black Ron out. But that's not a good reason to subject the country to 4 years of Donald Trump. And it's not a good reason to promote him here at RPF because he also goes against so very much that we stand for.

Well said. I, too, am not a Republican; as an independent voter (since 1992), I find it weird that the assumption is that RPF goers are Republicans (Ronin wrote "your fellow Republicans"). As you say, it may be amusing to see Trump completely $#@!ing up the Republican Party, but not amusing enough to see the destruction he will cause in our country.

[hankrichter12]

The majority of the GOP does not want Trump.

3/4 RPF members do not support Trump.

Boy, you really are good at pushing your nonsense. Many of those "75%" flat out told you they weren't outright against him and might vote for him, they just said they weren't full on supporters or that they were still making up their minds, you only gave them two extreme options - Frank Luntz would be proud.

As for the GOP, they never want anyone 100% this early on, but they all come together after the primaries, man you guys are so desperate to paint this narrative.

[Rad]

Mostly it's the frustration and desolating, depressing realization that what Ron Paul said back in '08 and '12 --"Freedom is Popular" is not in fact true.

No one clearly articulated it like Ron did.

[Ronin Truth]

@Ronin Truth

For one thing, I'm not a Republican.

If your fellow Republicans had chosen Lindsey Graham, would you still be asking this question? Or would you understand that those pushing Lindsey are pushing someone on RPF who goes against everything we stand for?

If you understand the second paragraph, you should be able to understand how many of us feel about Donald Trump. His really bad, terrible, awful, tyrannical, authoritarian, qualities far outweigh anything positive anyone has said about him on this site.

Sure, it's amusing to see the GOP establishment squirm after all they did to black Ron out. But that's not a good reason to subject the country to 4 years of Donald Trump. And it's not a good reason to promote him here at RPF because he also goes against so very much that we stand for.

I'm no Republican either. I was raised to be one. But have not been, since the early 1970's.

This thread title was aimed at the Republicans, here on the RPF.

If enough Republicans want Trump and vote for him, what's the problem(s)?

Enough votes for the GOP POTUS nomination, that is.

[CPUd]

[Ronin Truth]

Well said. I, too, am not a Republican; as an independent voter (since 1992), I find it weird that the assumption is that RPF goers are Republicans (Ronin wrote "your fellow Republicans"). As you say, it may be amusing to see Trump completely $#@!ing up the Republican Party, but not amusing enough to see the destruction he will cause in our country.

Both Ron and Rand are Republicans. The assumption that many here are Republican voters also, does not seem, to me, to be so horribly out of line.

Do you have some persuasive party affiliation counter evidence, to the contrary?

[Anti Federalist]

Mostly it's the frustration and desolating, depressing realization that what Ron Paul said back in '08 and '12 --"Freedom is Popular" is not in fact true.

When you work the rage out, come full circle and accept that for what it is, it is very refreshing.

That's why I have mostly stayed out of the Trump/Anti Trump arguments.

After eight years of Obama, I'm pretty much right in the same place I was before, albeit less free.

After eight years of Trump or Hillary or whatever the clown show vomits out as the new Glorious Leader, I reckon I will be in same place, assuming I'm still upright and taking nourishment.

I'll still have bills to pay, and my neighbor still will not give a $#@! that he is under more surveillance than an East German in 1960 and freedom will be less popular.

[spudea]

this is horribly flawed.... 17 candidate field and a different state calender this year. The first charts velocity to the very last contest.... the second charts velocity to the most recent....

bull$#@! chart is what it is.

[hankrichter12]

this is horribly flawed.... 17 candidate field and a different state calender this year. The first charts velocity to the very last contest.... the second charts velocity to the most recent....

bull$#@! chart is what it is.

Oh, he knows that, he is just desperate as always.

[Nolan]

This is an example of Trump promotion.

Still better than Rand on foreign policy.

[Anti Federalist]

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[heavenlyboy34]

Both Ron and Rand are Republicans. The assumption that many here are Republican voters also, does not seem, to me, to be so horribly out of line.

Do you have some persuasive party affiliation counter evidence, to the contrary?

RP is a lifetime member of the LP, last I heard.

[Ronin Truth]

RP is a lifetime member of the LP, last I heard.

The last two times Ron ran for POTUS was as a Republican. Rand's first POTUS shot, Republican.

Next?

[RJ Liberty]

Both Ron and Rand are Republicans. The assumption that many here are Republican voters also, does not seem, to me, to be so horribly out of line.

The question isn't what Rand or Ron Paul are, but what their supporters are, and many of them are not Republicans. Ron Paul attracted people from across the political spectrum. Rand wasn't in the presidential race long enough to attract anyone, and was soundly rejected by Republicans: only 4.5% of Republicans in Iowa voted for him.

Polling during the 2012 race indicated that, of all the Republican candidates, only Ron Paul pulled in enough support from all voters to match Obama. He wasn't getting those numbers solely from Republicans, and there aren't enough Republicans to win an election by themselves: they need independent voters. Of course, as we know, the Republican establishment rejected Ron entirely.

"My fellow Republicans" seems quite short-sighted, given Ron Paul's history of support from people outside the Republican Party, and considering both Pauls' rejection by the Republican establishment.

[Ronin Truth]

The question isn't what Rand or Ron Paul are, but what their supporters are, and many of them are not Republicans. Ron Paul attracted people from across the political spectrum. Rand wasn't in the presidential race long enough to attract anyone, and was soundly rejected by Republicans: only 4.5% of Republicans in Iowa voted for him.

Polling during the 2012 race indicated that, of all the Republican candidates, only Ron Paul pulled in enough support from all voters to match Obama. He wasn't getting those numbers solely from Republicans, and there aren't enough Republicans to win an election by themselves: they need independent voters. Of course, as we know, the Republican establishment rejected Ron entirely.

"My fellow Republicans" seems quite short-sighted, given Ron Paul's history of support from people outside the Republican Party, and considering both Pauls' rejection by the Republican establishment.

That is/was 'your fellow Republicans', not me OR mine.

I guess just not bad enough for BOTH OF THEM to not warrant resigning from the GOP. <shrug>

[Carlybee]

<<not a Republican

[65fastback2+2]

Why all of the hair pulling and teeth gnashing if enough of your fellow Republicans want Trump?

Isn't that just exactly how the system is supposed to work?

I only do it because they're convinced he's and outsider who will change things and dont realize he's an insider who will only make things much worse, much faster.

Otherwise, I couldnt care less.

[Ronin Truth]

I only do it because they're convinced he's and outsider who will change things and dont realize he's an insider who will only make things much worse, much faster.

Otherwise, I couldnt care less.

Perhaps they're right. <shrug> Majority rules?

[Tywysog Cymru]

Well said. I, too, am not a Republican; as an independent voter (since 1992), I find it weird that the assumption is that RPF goers are Republicans (Ronin wrote "your fellow Republicans"). As you say, it may be amusing to see Trump completely $#@!ing up the Republican Party, but not amusing enough to see the destruction he will cause in our country.

I think most of us are Republicans. I am a Republican so I can vote in their primaries.

[Ender]

Why all of the hair pulling and teeth gnashing if enough of your fellow Republicans want Trump?

LOL

Would you ask the same question if it was Bush? McCain? Palin?

[Bern]

... I would love to see the RNC replaced with liberty thinkers.

RNC members are elected by delegates at each State's GOP convention. There was a good surge of liberty minded peeps taking over GOP state party apparatus' from within in 2012 thanks to Ron Paul. That has to continue in order to reach your stated goal. Is it worth fighting for? Hopefully there are enough liberty thinkers left who believe so.

[Ronin Truth]

Why all of the hair pulling and teeth gnashing if enough of your fellow Republicans want Trump?

LOL

Would you ask the same question if it was Bush? McCain? Palin?

Absitively, and did.

Someone just needs to point out the lunacy.

[Brian4Liberty]

Why all of the hair pulling and teeth gnashing if enough of your fellow Republicans want Trump?

Both Ron and Rand are Republicans. The assumption that many here are Republican voters also, does not seem, to me, to be so horribly out of line.

Ron Paul brought in supporters from across the spectrum. The ones that were Republicans are probably more interested in discussions and debates about the GOP primary. People who were not Republicans don't want to hear about it, especially if people are "happy" about any of the current choices.