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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by twomp View Post
    It's okay. Hillary Clinton wouldn't have met with the North Korean leader either. It's tradition here at RPF to defend Trump by invoking the name Hillary Clinton every time Trump does something RPF doesn't like.
    Why doesn't RPF like Trump cancelling the meeting? It's probably the best thing that could possibly happen, if Trump is doing it. And it doesn't mean the meeting won't happen, it just needs to happen with the correct terms.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
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    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."



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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only show up to attack Trump when he is wrong
    Make America the Land of the Free & the Home of the Brave again



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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Why doesn't RPF like Trump cancelling the meeting? It's probably the best thing that could possibly happen, if Trump is doing it. And it doesn't mean the meeting won't happen, it just needs to happen with the correct terms.
    If Trump does it, it must be awesome. Guess he doesn't want that Nobel Peace Prize and printed up all those pretty medals for nothing.


  6. #34
    Maybe they can update it by adding a mushroom cloud sticker?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    If Trump does it, it must be awesome. Guess he doesn't want that Nobel Peace Prize and printed up all those pretty medals for nothing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only show up to attack Trump when he is wrong
    Make America the Land of the Free & the Home of the Brave again

  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    North Korea will not cancel the summit with Trump.

    Noone cancels on Trump.

    If anything, Trump will cancel on them.
    ^^
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  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    ^^
    BOOM
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    It's not cancelled forever, Trump said any time he wants to re-engage he is welcome and he still wants to have a meeting.

    I don't know why everybody freaks out every time something small happens in a negotiation, they make it seem like the end of the world.

    Rand doesn't get caught up in all this day to day nonsense and drama, he is better at seeing the bigger picture. Like me. And Trump. And many other people here on this forum.. but not you. Not zippy. Not TheCount. Certainly not CPUd.

    I feel like in order to have respect for Trump you can't be one of those people who always gets caught up in the drama for the day. You have to have some patience.
    LOL.
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  10. #38
    Good. I didn't want Trump to get involved in this anyway. Now maybe Un and Moon can have a talk that a lead to peace.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

  11. #39
    It appears that Trump "jilted North Korean lover" approach may have been just what the doctor ordered.

    Literally minutes after we said that most experts expected a violent, angry outburst from North Korea's president in response to Trump's unexpected cancellation of the Singapore June 12 summit, such as this comment from Senator Jack Reed...
    Spoke w/ @BloombergTV’s @kevcirilli about Pres Trump pulling out of planned nuclear summit w/ North Korea & how if Pres Trump had taken a more considered approach to Mr. Kim’s initial offer for a summit, we wouldn’t be in this position.https://t.co/vY7HOiFYXf
    — Senator Jack Reed (@SenJackReed) May 24, 2018
    ... North Korea has come crawling back, virtually begging for a meeting.
    In a statement issued by state-run Korean Central News Agency, citing Vice Foreign Minister Kim Kye Gwan, North Korea announced it was willing to sit with the U.S. "whenever, however" through any method to try to resolve the outstanding issues.
    Gwan said that whereas President Trump’s announcement to one-sidedly cancel the planned summit is unexpected and very regrettable, North Korea remains unchanged in its aim to do everything possible for the peace and stability of Korean peninsula and humanity, and noted that President Trump's decision to cancel the summit is "not what the world wants" and the summit is necessary to resolve the current hostile bilatereal relationship.
    Furthermore, North Korea appears to be backtracking on the recent diplomatic escalation and has effectively apologized, stating that "its previous remarks regarding the U.S.-North Korea summit had been in protest against strong US remarks towards North."
    While we await the full KCNA statement, here are the key bullet points courtesy of Reuters and Bloomberg:

    • NORTH KOREA SAYS TRUMP'S SUMMIT CANCELLATION IS UNEXPECTED
    • NORTH KOREA SAYS IT'S WILLING TO MEET WITH U.S. AT ANY TIME
    • NORTH KOREA SAYS IT IS STILL WILLING TO RESOLVE ISSUES WITH UNITED STATES WHENEVER, HOWEVER
    • NORTH KOREA SAYS U.S.-N.KOREA SUMMIT IS NECESSARY TO RESOLVE CURRENT HOSTILE BILATERAL RELATIONSHIP
    • NORTH KOREA SAYS IT HAD WISHED `TRUMP MODEL' COULD RESOLVE ISSUES
    • NORTH KOREA SAYS IT HAD HOPED FOR ISSUES REGARDING N.KOREA TO BE RESOLVED "TRUMP-STYLE"
    • NORTH KOREA SAYS NO CHANGE IN N. KOREA'S WILL TO DO BEST FOR PEACE
    • NORTH KOREA SAYS ITS PREVIOUS REMARKS REGARDING U.S.-N.KOREA SUMMIT HAD BEEN IN PROTEST AGAINST STRONG U.S. REMARKS TOWARDS NORTH
    • N.KOREA HAS WILLINGNESS TO GIVE CHANCE, TIME TO U.S.
    • NORTH KOREA HAS WILLINGNESS TO GIVE CHANCE, TIME TO U.S.

    And the punchline:

    • NORTH KOREA SAYS CURRENT SITUATION REFLECTS DESPARATE NEED FOR SUMMIT

    Or, to summarize North Korea's response to Trump's "dear John" letter:
    North Korea right now pic.twitter.com/viFR0KHZa4
    — Quoth the Raven (@QTRResearch) May 24, 2018
    And now the ball is in Trump's court.


    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...enever-however


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  12. #40
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    LOL.
    You're right, Trump didn't need that much time this time.

    North Korea has come crawling back, virtually begging for a meeting.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  15. #42
    If governments are truly so great and wonderful, why cannot they even keep their "brown" straight on such matters that should be an agreeable cakewalk among all parties involved, such as promoting the NPT?
    The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding one’s self in the ranks of the insane.” — Marcus Aurelius

    They’re not buying it. CNN, you dumb bastards!” — President Trump 2020

    Consilio et Animis de Oppresso Liber

  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by Weston White View Post
    If governments are truly so great and wonderful, why cannot they even keep their "brown" straight on such matters that should be an agreeable cakewalk among all parties involved, such as promoting the NPT?
    Because the world is filled with powerful people who try to manipulate anything to their personal advantage, even if anarchy was achieved they would still exist and act as they always have.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  17. #44
    Kim is not powerful, he's weak. His existence is anything but secure. What you're seeing isn't a madman on a power trip, its a man whose only reed of strength was a failed nuclear program and a decrepit propaganda machine. The US has much to teach the world in those matters...

  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    Kim is not powerful, he's weak. His existence is anything but secure. What you're seeing isn't a madman on a power trip, its a man whose only reed of strength was a failed nuclear program and a decrepit propaganda machine. The US has much to teach the world in those matters...
    What you're seeing is a changed man.

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post6513031
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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  20. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Let's wait until all the facts are in.

  21. #48
    Update: As if the earlier begging was not enough, it appears Kim wants to make sure that President Trump is aware of his efforts and desire to meet.
    Yonhap reports that North Korea's state media said Friday the demolition of its only known nuclear test site has demonstrated its "peace-loving" efforts and pursuit of a "total halt" to nuclear tests.
    As we detailed yesterday, North Korea officially demolished the test-site overnight, inviting a number of reporters to witness the event.
    And today, the Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) said in English.

    "The dismantlement of the nuclear test ground is a vivid manifestation of the DPRK government's fixed peace-loving stand to join in the international aspiration and efforts for total halt to the nuclear test and make positive contribution to building a nuclear free world,"
    The KCNA added that the demolition of the tunnels and other surrounding facilities, including a communications center, power systems and observation centers, was carried out "completely" and "with transparency."
    * * *

    More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...enever-however
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment



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  23. #49
    Oh good, Zerohedge. Their excellent analysis of how Trump is awesome and Kim is begging is extremely insightful and informative.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Pinochet is the model
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

  24. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Oh good, Zerohedge. Their excellent analysis of how Trump is awesome and Kim is begging is extremely insightful and informative.
    Not an argument.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  25. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Not an argument.
    Neither is this:

    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Why doesn't RPF like Trump cancelling the meeting? It's probably the best thing that could possibly happen, if Trump is doing it. And it doesn't mean the meeting won't happen, it just needs to happen with the correct terms.
    Or this:

    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    It's not cancelled forever, Trump said any time he wants to re-engage he is welcome and he still wants to have a meeting.

    I don't know why everybody freaks out every time something small happens in a negotiation, they make it seem like the end of the world.

    Rand doesn't get caught up in all this day to day nonsense and drama, he is better at seeing the bigger picture. Like me. And Trump. And many other people here on this forum.. but not you. Not zippy. Not TheCount. Certainly not CPUd.

    I feel like in order to have respect for Trump you can't be one of those people who always gets caught up in the drama for the day. You have to have some patience.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Pinochet is the model
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

  26. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Neither is this:



    Or this:
    Of course they are, and they happened to be correct arguments.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  27. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Of course they are, and they happened to be correct arguments.
    This is a philosophy, not an argument:

    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    It's probably the best thing that could possibly happen, if Trump is doing it.

    It's also a rather effective and to-the-point summary of your last 15,000 posts.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Pinochet is the model
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

  28. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Why doesn't RPF like Trump cancelling the meeting? It's probably the best thing that could possibly happen, if Trump is doing it. And it doesn't mean the meeting won't happen, it just needs to happen with the correct terms.
    It is not RPF, it is some establishment shills that post here. It should not be forgotten the weekend in 2015 that the Neocons released the #nevertrump strategy it was echoed here full blast by a variety of so called self proclaimed Paul supporters.
    Last edited by kahless; 05-24-2018 at 11:05 PM.

  29. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    This is a philosophy, not an argument:
    No, it's an argument, not a philosophy. Trump has a past history of winning big when it comes to negotiations. If Trump is using a negotiating tactic, you can rest assured that it is probably a good tactic to use at that time based on his history. It turned out that it was a good tactic to use. Argument won.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  30. #56
    Fake News Alert

    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Trump has a past history of winning big when it comes to negotiations. If Trump is using a negotiating tactic, you can rest assured that it is probably a good tactic to use at that time based on his history.
    Fake News Alert
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Pinochet is the model
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.



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  33. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    If Trump does it, it must be awesome.
    I try to remain objective.

    There are Trump and non Trump partisans here.

    I thought that reaching out to Northern Korea, in an effort to avoid conflict, war and further aggression, in addition to maybe, someday, FFS, bring our forces home, was a bold move.

    I remain hopeful that continuing negotiations will bring Kim back to the table and that ultimately, Trump is successful.

    That's not blind partisanship nor TDS.
    Another mark of a tyrant is that he likes foreigners better than citizens, and lives with them and invites them to his table; for the one are enemies, but the Others enter into no rivalry with him. - Aristotle's Politics Book 5 Part 11

  34. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Oh good, Zerohedge. Their excellent analysis of how Trump is awesome and Kim is begging is extremely insightful and informative.
    If they are begging, they have funny way of showing it:


    White House: North Korea 'stood us up'

    By Jamie Tarabay, CNN
    Fri May 25, 2018
    Last week, the White House sent its deputy chief of staff and his advance team to the city state, the official said. "The North Koreans never showed up. The North Koreans didn't tell us anything. They simply stood us up."
    https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/25/polit...ntl/index.html

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I'm going to predict that this is temporary and that a meeting will still take place.
    Meeting wihout giving up nukes is what NK have wanted all along and will be big win for them.

    Do you think NK will give up Nukes and Mexico will pay for the Wall?


    Still there is no proof that the whole thing was 'fakenews' to begin with, although his fixers for this summit don't seem very bright.

    '99.9 per cent' chance Trump-Kim Summit will be held as scheduled despite tensions: Seoul official

    "We believe there is a 99.9 per cent chance the North Korea-US summit will be held as scheduled," said Mr Chung Eui Yong, chief of South Korea's presidential ...
    The Straits Times
    3 days ago




    Quote Originally Posted by klamath View Post
    I blame Trump. He appointed Bolton who said it first. Really smart Trump administration, bring up Libya.........
    Quote Originally Posted by ILUVRP View Post
    with pence and bolton on the team there will never be a good result for trump , only get worse .
    In defense of POTUS, he has to surround himself with the best people as promised.

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