Venezuela Propaganda Debunked - People Are Against Coup

[navy-vet]

Trump and Brazil Pres just wrapped up a press conference in the Rose Garden.

When asked whether military action to remove Maduro is part of discussions, Brazilian Pres basically said that it's not for the public to know what they plan on doing and shouldn't be debated by the public. Trump smiled wide and nodded his head. Trump said all options are on the table then quickly changed the topic.

Authoritarians gonna be authoritative, I guess. Perhaps Bolsonaro doesn't understand that yes, we are supposed to publicly debate things like that, in this country.

Well, I don't know who is lying in regards to this mess in Venezuela or even if it's all a muse and actually a utopia down there. Although I think it's a cluster. I do know though, that it is a bad idea to reveal your plans to your enemies, and there are as many of those in Venezuela as there are gathering around here domestically. I don't fault either of these "elected" men for that. js

[enhanced_deficit]

One thing I don't understand, why neocons are so obcessed with spreading freedom, democracy, racial equality and our way of life etc in every country that has few oil wells?

Such strong dedication to freedom values is mind boggling.

If any ideological neocons surf this forum, care to answer this question?

[devil21]

Well, I don't know who is lying in regards to this mess in Venezuela or even if it's all a muse and actually a utopia down there. Although I think it's a cluster. I do know though, that it is a bad idea to reveal your plans to your enemies, and there are as many of those in Venezuela as there are gathering around here domestically. I don't fault either of these "elected" men for that. js

President doesn't have authority to authorize military action without consent of the Congress except in the case of direct threat to the nation where Congress would be too slow to act. Venezuela certainly doesn't fall under that criteria nor does the so-so-tired AUMF. Last I checked, Congress represented the people...or at least that's the cover story. So yes, mobilizing military is something to be debated by the people. Do I need to post some Dr. Paul videos on the topic?

[RonZeplin]

Russia Gives US Red Line on Venezuela

At a high-level meeting in Rome this week, it seems that Russia reiterated a grave warning to the US – Moscow will not tolerate American military intervention to topple the Venezuelan government with whom it is allied.

Meanwhile, back in Washington DC, President Donald Trump was again bragging that the military option was still on the table, in his press conference with Brazilian counterpart Jair Bolsonaro. Trump is bluffing or not yet up to speed with being apprised of Russia’s red line.

The meeting in the Italian capital between US “special envoy” on Venezuelan affairs Elliot Abrams and Russia’s deputy foreign minister Sergei Ryabkov had an air of urgency in its arrangement. The US State Department announced the tête-à-tête only three days beforehand. The two officials also reportedly held their two-hour discussions in a Rome hotel, a venue indicating ad hoc arrangement.

Abrams is no ordinary diplomat. He is a regime-change specialist with a criminal record for sponsoring terrorist operations, specifically the infamous Iran-Contra affair to destabilize Nicaragua during the 1980s. His appointment by President Trump to the “Venezuela file” only underscores the serious intent in Washington for regime change in Caracas. Whether it gets away with that intent is another matter.

Moscow’s interlocutor, Sergei Ryabkov, is known to not mince his words, having earlier castigated Washington for seeking global military domination. He calls a spade a spade, and presumably a criminal a criminal.

The encounter in Rome this week was described as “frank” and “serious” – which is diplomatic code for a blazing exchange. The timing comes at a high-stakes moment, after Venezuela having been thrown into chaos last week from civilian power blackouts that many observers, including the Kremlin, blame on American cyber sabotage. The power grid outage followed a failed attempt by Washington to stage a provocation with the Venezuelan military over humanitarian aid deliveries last month from neighboring Colombia.

The fact that Washington’s efforts to overthrow the elected President Nicolas Maduro have so far floundered, might suggest that the Americans are intensifying their campaign to destabilize the country, with the objective of installing US-backed opposition figure Juan Guaido. He declared himself “acting president” in January with Washington’s imprimatur.

Given that the nationwide power blackouts seem to have failed in fomenting a revolt by the civilian population or the military against Maduro, the next option tempting Washington could be the military one.

It seems significant that Washington has recently evacuated its last remaining diplomats from the South American country. US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo commented on the evacuation by saying that having US personnel on the ground “was limiting” Washington’s scope for action. Also, American Airlines reportedly cancelled all its services to Venezuela in the past week. Again, suggesting that the US was considering a military intervention, either directly with its troops or covertly by weaponizing local proxies. The latter certainly falls under Abrams’ purview.

After the Rome meeting, Ryabkov said bluntly: “We assume that Washington treats our priorities seriously, our approach and warnings.”

One of those warnings delivered by Ryabkov is understood to have been that no American military intervention in Venezuela will be tolerated by Moscow.

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And in case Washington gets into a huff and tries the military option, Moscow this week told regime-change henchman Abrams that that’s a red line. If Washington has any sense of rationale left, it will know from its Syria fiasco that Russia has Venezuela’s back covered.

Political force is out. Military force is out. Respect international law and Venezuela’s sovereignty. That’s Russia’s eminently reasonable ultimatum to Washington.

Now, the desperate Americans could still try more sabotage, cyber or financial. But their options are limited, contrary to what Trump thinks.

How the days of American imperialist swagger are numbered. There was a time when it could rampage all over Latin America. Not any more, evidently. Thanks in part to Russia’s global standing and military power.

http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/arch...-on-venezuela/

[UWDude]

We aren't nearly as involved as the communists on this site are pretending. China and Russia have actual assets in Venezuela, and Venezuela is heavily in debt to them as well.

Oh, hey, @angelatc, I wonder if you heard about this:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...-Leader-Guaido