Shutdown stories: Federal employees share anxiety via Twitter

[TheTexan]

They are. These people dedicate their lives and are faithful public servants.

+rep

[oyarde]

Congress would have to authorize any back pay so technically they are working without pay- but Congress will almost certainly authorize it.

Personally , I am OK if the TSA never gets pd .

[oyarde]

Which is it? Do they get no pay? Or is their pay delayed until the shutdown is over?

Edit: I see that others already pointed out the ridiculousness of the claim.

And they're not required to work either. They can quit.

I encourage them all to quit .

[Zippyjuan]

I encourage them all to quit .

Yay! Open Borders! (Border Patrol another group not currently being paid)

[oyarde]

Yay! Open Borders! (Border Patrol another group not currently being paid)

If TSA actually does border duty , that would be an excellent place to send them to be rid of them until they quit .

[Swordsmyth]

Yay! Open Borders! (Border Patrol another group not currently being paid)

They can be replace with the military if necessary.

[phill4paul]

Yay! Open Borders! (Border Patrol another group not currently being paid)

National Guard, regular Army, Air Force, Navy and Marines. This isn't a law enforcement matter. Those who wish to enter do it through the proper channels. That is when it becomes a law enforcement matter. When our borders are crossed with impunity by hundreds of thousands of foreigners it is an invasion.

[Ender]

I encourage them all to quit .

Yep.

[Zippyjuan]

National Guard, regular Army, Air Force, Navy and Marines. This isn't a law enforcement matter. Those who wish to enter do it through the proper channels. That is when it becomes a law enforcement matter. When our borders are crossed with impunity by hundreds of thousands of foreigners it is an invasion.

Military is not allowed to be used for law enforcement purposes. The troops Trump sent to the border were used to string up barbed wire or assist the Border Patrol with paperwork.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1385

18 U.S. Code § 1385 - Use of Army and Air Force as posse comitatus

Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.

[Swordsmyth]

Military is not allowed to be used for law enforcement purposes. The troops Trump sent to the border were used to string up barbed wire or assist the Border Patrol with paperwork.

Originally Posted by phill4paul

National Guard, regular Army, Air Force, Navy and Marines. This isn't a law enforcement matter. Those who wish to enter do it through the proper channels. That is when it becomes a law enforcement matter. When our borders are crossed with impunity by hundreds of thousands of foreigners it is an invasion.

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[Zippyjuan]

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When our borders are crossed with impunity by hundreds of thousands of foreigners it is an invasion.

I see. There are hundreds of thousands of armed people streaming across our borders.

[Anti Globalist]

These government workers are looking like a couple of distraught nimcompoops.

[Swordsmyth]

I see. There are hundreds of thousands of armed people streaming across our borders.

We don't know how many are armed but many are and they don't have to be armed for it to be an invasion.

[phill4paul]

I see. There are hundreds of thousands of armed people streaming across our borders.

War can be waged in many ways. Being armed is not a requirement.

[Swordsmyth]

The partial government shutdown continues with no end in sight, as House GOP leaders said on Thursday that they do not expect a vote this week on a financial package that might reopen the government, according to The Hill.

House Majority Whip Steve Scalise (R-LA), who supports President Trump's firm stance on $5 billion for his long-promised southern border wall, advised members "that no votes are expected in the House this week."
"As the House awaits Senate action on remaining FY19 appropriations, we will aim to provide 24 hours' notice ahead of any expected votes in the House," added Scalise's office in a notice.

The Senate was scheduled to convene at 4 p.m. on Thursday, but no votes were expected until President Trump and congressional Democrats reach a deal to end a funding lapse that is affecting about 25 percent of the federal government.
Little progress has been made in negotiations as Democratic lawmakers and the White House remain at odds over funding for Trump’s proposed border wall.
“No end in sight to the President’s government shutdown,” Senate Minority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) tweeted on Thursday. “He’s taken our government hostage over his outrageous demand for a $5 billion border wall that would be both wasteful and ineffective.” -The Hill

Trump resumed his recent attacks on Democrats over the wall funding, Tweeting on Thursday "Have the Democrats finally realized that we desperately need Border Security and a Wall on the Southern Border. Need to stop Drugs, Human Trafficking, Gang Members & Criminals from coming into our Country," adding "Do the Dems realize that most of the people not getting paid are Democrats?"


More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...y-no-vote-week

[Swordsmyth]

According to the Department of Agriculture, if this government shutdown stretches into February there won’t be money for food stamps.
And it certainly looks like this shutdown could last for quite a while, because President Trump is not backing down on his demand for border wall funding, and the Democrats have pledged not to give him a single penny. So a few weeks from now, approximately 38 million people could be suddenly cut off from the food stamp program. If that scenario were to unfold, there is no telling what could happen. After just a few days, government workers are already freaking out about having their paychecks delayed. If people are getting this restless already, what will things look like when tens of millions of Americans are suddenly cut off from their primary source of food money?
Even though the government has been shut down, the Department of Agriculture still has some existing financial resources at their disposal, and they are assuring us that those enrolled in the food stamp program will still receive their benefits “for January”. The following comes from CNN…

Eligible households will still receive monthly SNAP benefits for January. But other domestic nutrition assistance programs such as the Commodity Supplemental Food Program, WIC, and the Food Distribution Program on Indian Reservations will only be operational based on available resources. Additional federal funds and commodities will not be provided during the shutdown.
Child nutrition programs including School Lunch, School Breakfast, Child and Adult Care Feeding, Summer Food Service and Special Milk will continue through February.

For now, the Department of Agriculture will attempt to keep things going for as long as possible “using existing resources”.
But those “existing resources” will not last for very long.
And things are already changing. At this point, approximately 95 percent of all federal workers involved with the food stamp program have been furloughed…

As the government shutdown drags into its fifth day, nearly all employees in the office overseeing federal food stamps have been cut.
As of Wednesday morning, the remaining staff dwindled down to a mere 5 percent.

We have never seen food stamp benefits cut off nationwide before. So we actually don’t have any frame of reference for what could happen.
Could we see the type of civil unrest and rioting that I warned about in The Beginning Of The End? When people are hungry, they get desperate pretty quickly. And history has shown that when people don’t know where their next meal is going to come from they can get quite violent.
And even without the government shutdown, President Trump was planning to knock millions of people off of the food stamp program anyway by tightening work requirements…

If Congress won’t make more food stamp recipients work for their benefits, the Trump administration will.
The US Department of Agriculture unveiled a proposed rule Thursday that would expand work requirements in the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP, as the food stamp program is formally known. The proposal comes on the same day as President Donald Trump plans to sign a farm bill that had a similar provision that was eventually eliminated.

So one way or another, a lot of people are soon going to lose their benefits.
Meanwhile, federal workers continue to freak out over this government shutdown. The following comes from a New York Times article entitled “Federal Workers, Some in ‘Panic Mode,’ Share Shutdown Fears on Social Media”…

A Department of Transportation worker in Missouri picked up cashier shifts at Barnes & Noble. A paralegal for the Justice Department in Texas stopped using her “gas-guzzling” pickup truck and pulled her motorcycle out of storage. An air traffic controller in California is avoiding any purchases that aren’t vital.

As you can see, the suffering is getting worse with each passing day.
What is next? Will we soon discover that some government workers have been forced to buy generic brands at the grocery store due to this never ending horror of a government shutdown?

More at: https://www.infowars.com/uh-oh-food-...sts-that-long/

[Slave Mentality]

According to the Department of Agriculture, if this government shutdown stretches into February there won’t be money for food stamps.

You think our fake “invasion” is gonna ruin all this wonderful liberty - just wait until Mama June doesn’t get her pork rhinds and Diet Coke on my dime. Trump may very well preside over the big collapse of this $#@! show. I got my popcorn.

[Swordsmyth]

According to the Department of Agriculture, if this government shutdown stretches into February there won’t be money for food stamps.

You think our fake “invasion” is gonna ruin all this wonderful liberty - just wait until Mama June doesn’t get her pork rhinds and Diet Coke on my dime. Trump may very well preside over the big collapse of this $#@! show. I got my popcorn.

Let's keep importing more welfare ticks so that when the breakdown happens we are overwhelmed and a communist utopia is imposed on us.

63% of Non-Citizen Households Access Welfare Programs Compared to 35% of native households

[Working Poor]

Some I know in the private sector do jobs and don't get a check for two weeks. Sometimes a month or more.

I have waited up to a year to get paid for a job. Right now I have been waiting 6 months for a job I did.

I don't feel any sympathy for government worker ticks.

[oyarde]

Military is not allowed to be used for law enforcement purposes. The troops Trump sent to the border were used to string up barbed wire or assist the Border Patrol with paperwork.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1385

I am aware of that , but is the border a no constitution zone ? As a Governor I would have addressed any problems I had long ago with a state militia or whatever I needed to protect my state , its citizens and property and would not have even asked the fed govt to do its job .

[oyarde]

According to the Department of Agriculture, if this government shutdown stretches into February there won’t be money for food stamps.

You think our fake “invasion” is gonna ruin all this wonderful liberty - just wait until Mama June doesn’t get her pork rhinds and Diet Coke on my dime. Trump may very well preside over the big collapse of this $#@! show. I got my popcorn.

He should suspend them now and call it rationing for the good of the public .

[angelatc]

If you are not receiving a paycheck for work then no, you are not being paid. That could be days or weeks or even months from now- depending on how long the stalemate continues.

Oh FFS. My husband used to get paid monthly, and at no point did we consider ourselves unpaid.

[angelatc]

Military is not allowed to be used for law enforcement purposes. The troops Trump sent to the border were used to string up barbed wire or assist the Border Patrol with paperwork.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1385

Tell that to the Coast Guard.

[angelatc]

Military is not allowed to be used for law enforcement purposes.

So, in ZIppyland it's illegal to use the military to stop people from doing something illegal.

Pick which laws we should follow?

[Swordsmyth]

So, in ZIppyland it's illegal to use the military to stop people from doing something illegal.

Pick which laws we should follow?

Border enforcement is NOT domestic law enforcement and now that Mattis is gone hopefully the next Secretary of Defense won't be "sort of a Democrat" and refuse to use the military for it.

[Brian4Liberty]

So federal workers are incapable of planning for their own future? Remind me again why they should be in a position of planning for the future of everybody else?

Exactly.

Federal govt contracts to small businesses are 30 days terms AFTER an invoice is received AND only after that invoice is accepted as completely valid. If there is any issue with the invoice, the 30day cycle starts over again.

In the private sector small businesses often wait even much longer.

Private sector: “We’ll pay you when we feel like it. If you don’t like our terms, you don’t have to do business with us.”

[Brian4Liberty]

They are still required to work- but for no pay. Their checks will be delayed until the shutdown is over.

“They”? “Their checks”?

Think you will be able to pay the bills until the checks come?

[Swordsmyth]

[donnay]

Tell that to the Coast Guard.

Coast Guard are under the Department of Homeland Security, not the DoD.

[Swordsmyth]

One of the nation’s most prominent unions tasked with representing federal employees announced a lawsuit against the Trump administration on Monday over the government shutdown, claiming that it is against federal law to require many “essential” employees to work during the shutdown without compensation.
The American Federation of Government Employees announced the lawsuit in a statement on Monday.
“Our members put their lives on the line to keep our country safe,” said J. David Cox Sr., the AFGE president. “Requiring them to work without pay is nothing short of inhumane. Positions that are considered ‘essential’ during a government shutdown are some of the most dangerous jobs in the federal government.”
“The harm to federal employees began at the first moment of the shutdown. Hundreds of thousands of federal employees are working under sometimes dangerous conditions, including the plaintiffs who were forced to work overtime without pay,” said Heidi Burakiewicz, partner at Kalijarvi, Chuzi, Newman & Fitch in Washington.

“Approximately 420,000 federal employees are continuing to work, but don’t know when they will get their next paychecks. This is not an acceptable way for any employer, let alone the U.S. government, to treat its employees. These employees still need to pay childcare expenses, buy gas, and incur other expenses to go to work every day and yet, they are not getting paid. It is a blatant violation of the Fair Labor Standards Act.”

More at: https://bigleaguepolitics.com/federa...over-shutdown/

The government exempts itself from its labor laws.