Trump pushing gun control on Republicans - leaked document

[Matt Collins]

Trump is using AG Barr to push gun control on Republicans. Here is a leaked document:

https://dailycaller.com/2019/09/18/w...kground-check/




And AG Barr was on the Hill today pushing it personally:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ag-...un-legislation

[Swordsmyth]

Trump may not have anything to do with it.

[Todd]

In before swordsmyth defends Trum.....

Well $#@!..

[Anti Federalist]

[Anti Federalist]

[Slave Mentality]

In before swordsmyth defends Trum.....

Well $#@!..

LOL

[Origanalist]

In before swordsmyth defends Trum.....

Well $#@!..

He takes his job very seriously, you gotta be quicker than that.

[Anti Globalist]

Republicans have been pushing gun control for decades. It shouldn't surprise anyone that this kind of stuff is going on.

[kahless]

Moving my post from earlier thread: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...ol-On-Republic

https://dailycaller.com/2019/09/18/w...kground-check/


If you are on the Trump train now is about a good time to get off and support a primary challenger or a third party candidate. If he does a 180 it does not preclude the chance to stop at the next station and get back on. However if you stay on the train you are aiding and abetting a loss of your gun rights in the future. Trump needs to be taught a lesson now before it is too late.

What does Trump not understand about the second amendment is not to be infringed upon.

[timosman]

And AG Barr was on the Hill today pushing it personally:

Doesn't he have more important things to do, like figuring out who whacked Epstein?

[UWDude]

Another fake news frenzy.

read the update to the Daily Caller story at the bottom, from the white houde deputy press secretary.

"trump has not signed off on this, not even close"

the story was updated 4 hours ago.

but hey bitch first, analyze souces later.

[specsaregood]

Moving my post from earlier thread: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...ol-On-Republic

https://dailycaller.com/2019/09/18/w...kground-check/


If you are on the Trump train now is about a good time to get off and support a primary challenger or a third party candidate. If he does a 180 it does not preclude the chance to stop at the next station and get back on. However if you stay on the train you are aiding and abetting a loss of your gun rights in the future. Trump needs to be taught a lesson now before it is too late.

What does Trump not understand about the second amendment is not to be infringed upon.

From the article:
UPDATE (11:45 am):
White House Principal Deputy Press Secretary Hogan Gidley told The Atlantic’s Elaina Plott that President Donald Trump has not necessarily signed off on the plan being circulated to senators and congressmen.
“Not even close,” he said.

UPDATE (11:50 am):
Indiana Republican Sen. Mike Braun’s communications director disputed that Braun was in any meetings with Barr or Ueland regarding the gun proposal. Braun’s name has been removed from the article.

[enhanced_deficit]

Trump may not have anything to do with it.

^this.

If he was sent there by pro "red flags" Ivanka or Kushner or under direction from progressive social liberal Sheldon Adelson or someone else without informing POTUS, POTUS cannot be held responsible for this.

[Matt Collins]

Another fake news frenzy.

read the update to the Daily Caller story at the bottom, from the white houde deputy press secretary.

"trump has not signed off on this, not even close"

the story was updated 4 hours ago.

but hey bitch first, analyze souces later.

If that is true, then Barr needs to be fired immediately and charged with treason.


Do you think that will happen?

[kahless]

From the article:
UPDATE (11:45 am):
White House Principal Deputy Press Secretary Hogan Gidley told The Atlantic’s Elaina Plott that President Donald Trump has not necessarily signed off on the plan being circulated to senators and congressmen.
“Not even close,” he said.

UPDATE (11:50 am):
Indiana Republican Sen. Mike Braun’s communications director disputed that Braun was in any meetings with Barr or Ueland regarding the gun proposal. Braun’s name has been removed from the article.

Trump is probably hoping his base does not notice and is gauging their reaction. He knows he is skating on thin ice and if he can fly it in under the radar like the bump stock ban I suspect he will.

I think legislation at some point will becoming because Trump shills will remain silent like some battered wives and he knows it. This is nothing new, these are the same or like the same people that used to shill for whatever Bush did which allowed him and his media apparatus to destroy the country unchallenged.

[specsaregood]

Trump is probably hoping his base does not notice and is gauging their reaction. He knows he is skating on thin ice and if he can fly it in under the radar like the bump stock ban I suspect he will.

yeah, maybe. At the same time; the draft legislation is by Manchin and Toomey, hardly heavy hitters in DC and neither are from states where passing anti-gun legislation is going to do them any favors.

Hell, Manchin even posted on twitter today calling out Beta over his desire to seize guns.

[kahless]

yeah, maybe. At the same time; the draft legislation is by Manchin and Toomey, hardly heavy hitters in DC and neither are from states where passing anti-gun legislation is going to do them any favors.

Hell, Manchin even posted on twitter today calling out Beta over his desire to seize guns.

"Nonetheless, the White House has been consistently meeting with key players in the gun debate — including pro-assault weapon ban Democrats — over the past month."

It might not be an assault weapons ban but it will certainly be red flag laws and as described in the document.


https://www.theblaze.com/news/the-wh...wmakers-report

A source familiar with the Tuesday gun control meetings told the Daily Caller that the administration's current pitch to lawmakers is that doing nothing on the issue following recent shootings might energize the Democrats' base during the 2020 election cycle. The report also says that Barr viewed the proposal more as a tool to help law enforcement crack down on gun smugglers.

So the thinking is the base has no where to go and we do not want to energize Democrats so we will pass gun control legislation. Although I think they are reading this wrong about the Dems and it is also only activists and the news media that wants gun control. Not passing anything will not make a difference and passing something will cause enough people to sit home or vote 3rd party to cause Trump to lose and rightfully so if he screws with 2A anymore than he has.

[specsaregood]

"Nonetheless, the White House has been consistently meeting with key players in the gun debate — including pro-assault weapon ban Democrats — over the past month."

It might not be an assault weapons ban but it will certainly be red flag laws and as described in the document.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/the-wh...wmakers-report

I suspect if they go that way, they will put in some poison pill that will get the democrats to vote against it; like concealed carry reciprocity or similar.

[Superfluous Man]

Republicans have been pushing gun control for decades. It shouldn't surprise anyone that this kind of stuff is going on.

And Trump won the party's nomination by promises to move the party in the direction of being more in favor of gun control.

[Superfluous Man]

Trump is probably hoping his base does not notice.

The thing about Trump's base is they don't care. He can do whatever he wants, and they'll always support him.

[Stratovarious]

And Trump won the party's nomination by promises to move the party in the direction of being more in favor of gun control.

I don't remember this??

[Stratovarious]

The thing about Trump's base is they don't care. He can do whatever he wants, and they'll always support him.

That is a wildly broad and blanket statement that simply isn't true, but I will admit that I have
friends that cheered him on wildly as I did, based on policies, and now that I have lost some
faith based on 'policies' , they literally do not want to hear it, that is some scary sht right there.......
but I wouldn't throw that on the entire 'base' .

[kahless]

The thing about Trump's base is they don't care. He can do whatever he wants, and they'll always support him.

Like we used to see under Bush with Republicans yet there was a segment that had enough. It was one of the reasons McCain and Romney did not get elected. If Trump ran his campaign like they did he would have never been elected and he is heading down that same path.

If Trump goes further on 2A he will lose just enough of that base that he will be unable to win. The same people that sat home and voted third party in 2008 and 2012 will do the same in 2020.

[Superfluous Man]

If Trump ran his campaign like they did he would have never been elected and he is heading down that same path.

Trump ran his campaign by running to the left of where McCain and Romney were. And he won doing that. He can afford to keep doing that because the Democrat is guaranteed to be even more to the left. And his base is drawn to his bombast and personality, not his policies. I don't think they ever really believed that Mexico would pay for their wall. They couldn't have, at least outside of those rapturous moments when they were yelling it and their reptilian inner brains were all that was functioning at the time. But they didn't care if it was actually true. And they still don't.

[Swordsmyth]

Trump is probably hoping his base does not notice and is gauging their reaction. He knows he is skating on thin ice and if he can fly it in under the radar like the bump stock ban I suspect he will.

I think legislation at some point will becoming because Trump shills will remain silent like some battered wives and he knows it. This is nothing knew, these are the same or like the same people that used to shill for whatever Bush did which allowed him and his media apparatus to destroy the country unchallenged.

Trump already said background checks would not have prevented the shootings.

[kahless]

Trump ran his campaign by running to the left of where McCain and Romney were. And he won doing that. He can afford to keep doing that because the Democrat is guaranteed to be even more to the left. And his base is drawn to his bombast and personality, not his policies. I don't think they ever really believed that Mexico would pay for their wall. They couldn't have, at least outside of those rapturous moments when they were yelling it and their reptilian inner brains were all that was functioning at the time. But they didn't care if it was actually true. And they still don't.

You are confusing comments he made back in the 80s with his campaign. In 2015-2016 he ran the most Paleo-Conservative platform ever seen as a Republican and he vocalized it at his rallies. Saying he ran to the left of McCain and Romney overall is not only revisionist it is silly.

[Swordsmyth]

I don't remember this??

That's because it isn't true.

[Superfluous Man]

You are confusing comments he made back in the 80s with his campaign. In 2015-2016 he ran the most Paleo-Conservative platform ever seen as a Republican and he vocalized it at his rallies. Saying he ran to the left of McCain and Romney overall is not only revisionist it is silly.

No. I'm talking about his 2016 campaign. The one where he mocked his opponents for not supporting corn subsidies and said they wanted old people to die in the streets because they didn't want to increase welfare spending as fast as he did. The one where he said that countries with single-payer healthcare had great systems. The one where he said his extreme left-wing sister would make a great Supreme Court justice. The one where he supported "no fly no buy," and a bump stock ban, and red flag laws. And tariffs.

All of those things were covered here on this website. But his supporters never cared. He had them mesmerized. And he still does. Have you seen the Trump tattoos, and the MAGA themed wedding trend? He will have these people positively supporting an expansion of background checks and railing against anyone in Congress who won't vote for the bill Trump wants.

[Swordsmyth]

You are confusing comments he made back in the 80s with his campaign. In 2015-2016 he ran the most Paleo-Conservative platform ever seen as a Republican and he vocalized it at his rallies. Saying he ran to the left of McCain and Romney overall is not only revisionist it is silly.

That never stopped the TDS brigade before and it never will.

[Swordsmyth]

And Trump won the party's nomination by promises to move the party in the direction of being more in favor of gun control.

That is just a lie.