Electric vehicles emit more CO2 than diesel ones, German study shows

[ATruepatriot]

When CO2 emissions linked to the production of batteries and the German energy mix - in which coal still plays an important role - are taken into consideration, electric vehicles emit 11% to 28% more than their diesel counterparts, according to the study, presented on Wednesday at the Ifo Institute in Munich.

Mining and processing the lithium, cobalt and manganese used for batteries consume a great deal of energy. A Tesla Model 3 battery, for example, represents between 11 and 15 tonnes of CO2. Given a lifetime of 10 years and an annual travel distance of 15,000 kilometres, this translates into 73 to 98 grams of CO2 per kilometre, scientists Christoph Buchal, Hans-Dieter Karl and Hans-Werner Sinn noted in their study.

The CO2 given off to produce the electricity that powers such vehicles also needs to be factored in, they say.

When all these factors are considered, each Tesla emits 156 to 180 grams of CO2 per kilometre, which is more than a comparable diesel vehicle produced by the German company Mercedes, for example.

http://brusselstimes.com/business/te...an-study-shows

[acptulsa]

Given a lifetime of 10 years and an annual travel distance of 15,000 kilometres...

93,750 miles? Has anyone gotten that from lithium ion batteries before they had to replace them?

[Anti Federalist]

Oh dear...

[Danke]

When CO2 emissions linked to the production of batteries and the German energy mix - in which coal still plays an important role - are taken into consideration, electric vehicles emit 11% to 28% more than their diesel counterparts, according to the study, presented on Wednesday at the Ifo Institute in Munich.

Mining and processing the lithium, cobalt and manganese used for batteries consume a great deal of energy. A Tesla Model 3 battery, for example, represents between 11 and 15 tonnes of CO2. Given a lifetime of 10 years and an annual travel distance of 15,000 kilometres, this translates into 73 to 98 grams of CO2 per kilometre, scientists Christoph Buchal, Hans-Dieter Karl and Hans-Werner Sinn noted in their study.

The CO2 given off to produce the electricity that powers such vehicles also needs to be factored in, they say.

When all these factors are considered, each Tesla emits 156 to 180 grams of CO2 per kilometre, which is more than a comparable diesel vehicle produced by the German company Mercedes, for example.

http://brusselstimes.com/business/te...an-study-shows

Did the study also count the CO2 from producting a diesel vehicle?

[Stratovarious]

The electricity to charge the batteries on a net basis is far from clean.


Batteries last forever too right ? Wrong.......I had to replace my AGM (should last 5 years)
after about a year and a half of service.



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[ATruepatriot]

Did the study also count the CO2 from producting a diesel vehicle?

It's very legitimate question. One would think that if they figured production costs of one they would be smart enough to figure the production costs of the other? But you are right... Sometimes when it comes from a biased study facts can be omitted to favor an outcome. Happens a LOT. lol

[pcosmar]

Oh dear...

Questionable Math,, even in my mathematically dyslexic mind.

but I don't buy into the whole"Green" energy idea either... I do like efficiency,,, I think that can be done better..

I like electric,, but don't care for the current engineering offered. and Self drive (despite the PUSH) is not even ready,, nor desirable to many.
It is coming. Independent Travel is being discouraged.

[Swordsmyth]

Good!
We need MORE CO2!
If liberals are paying extra to produce more of it then the rest of us will reap the benefits.

[ATruepatriot]

Good!
We need MORE CO2!
If liberals are paying extra to produce more of it then the rest of us will reap the benefits.

My trees need it...

[Schifference]

It's very legitimate question. One would think that if they figured production costs of one they would be smart enough to figure the production costs of the other? But you are right... Sometimes when it comes from a biased study facts can be omitted to favor an outcome. Happens a LOT. lol

They did not count the CO2 to produce the Tesla only the battery.

[ATruepatriot]

They did not count the CO2 to produce the Tesla only the battery.

I caught that too... Just the mining of the elements before they are built far outweighs the alternative we are already using.

[pcosmar]

Good!
We need MORE CO2!
If liberals are paying extra to produce more of it then the rest of us will reap the benefits.

Hemp Fiber Graphine for Batteries.. Hemp is a Good Air scrubber..

[pcosmar]

and just for fun,