Trump stiffing contractors

[Matt4Liberty]

The Quora post makes the most sense. If Trump didn't pay contractors what he was contractually obligated, they would have sued him and his company. Especially with all the attention recently, and how biased New York and New Jersey courts are to the left, they would have loved to use this as a way to get back at Trump.

[vita3]

3,500 lawsuits over past 3 decades!

But a USA TODAY NETWORK analysis found he has been involved in more than 3,500 lawsuits over the past three decades

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...uits/85297274/

[vita3]

Here are key facts from the IBEW report:

According to analysis of lawsuits filed against him and his companies, when Union Contractors were hired, Trump developed a reputation for stiffing some, delaying payment to others and shorting Workers on overtime and even Minimum Wage.

USA Today found 60 lawsuits against Trump for not paying his bills on time, including by a Dishwasher in Florida, a New Jersey glass company, a carpet supplier, Plumber, Painters, 48 Waiters, dozens of Bartenders and a real estate broker.

Trump has been cited for 24 violations of the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA).

Trump-associated properties and companies have filed for bankruptcy often: Trump Taj Mahal (1991); Trump Plaza and Trump Marina (1993); Trump World's Fair and Casino (1999); Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts (2004); and Trump Entertainment Resorts (2009).

In each of the bankruptcies, unpaid contractors were sent to the back of the line for repayment and often received only pennies on the dollar for what they were owed.

Lawyers who represented Trump in lawsuits for non-payment sued Trump for not paying them.

Since 1980, more than 200 Mechanic's Liens have been filed against Trump properties for non-payment.

[pcosmar]

3,500 lawsuits over past 3 decades!

But a USA TODAY NETWORK analysis found he has been involved in more than 3,500 lawsuits over the past three decades

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...uits/85297274/

How many of those were thrown out? How many won?

I'll bet the men with Hammers got Paid.

[Invisible Man]

The list is long & real

Amazing he got elected President after not paying so many people for so long

Just heard from a friend that his company got stiffed a significant proportion on their contracting part for old Post Office DC

To the Trumpers his dishonest business practices are a selling point. When he is called a master negotiator, this is what is meant by it. He’s surprisingly forthright about this in his Art of the Deal. And the more the American people themselves get cheated by him the more his followers admire him for it. Their TDS is incredible.

[pcosmar]

Their TDS is incredible.

on both sides.. love or hate..

I bet that the Workmen got paid.. Regularly as they were employed.
or they would NOT have been there the next Monday..

Some Grifters may have gotten burned along the way..

How many of that 3000 were just nuisance suits?

[vita3]

To the Trumpers his dishonest business practices are a selling point. When he is called a master negotiator, this is what is meant by it. He’s surprisingly forthright about this in his Art of the Deal. And the more the American people themselves get cheated by him the more his followers admire him for it. Their TDS is incredible.

Truth

[TheTexan]

Probably par for the course for a real estate corporation of that size in New York.

[kahless]

The level of shilling for Trump I see is being taken to all new levels in this thread, unbelievable. As a New Yorker, Trump stiffing contractors and screwing people over was common knowledge for decades before he ran for President and for the most part you did not hear it from the news media. Everyone and their brother had a story about his company or contracting with them.

Totally amazing how decades of art of the con, where the guy even wrote books bragging about what he did, we have people turning a blind eye to history because he has been made anointed one by the PTB.

This being led by the nose by news cycle propaganda forcing the team player mentality is why nothing is ever going to change. We are now seeing the same behavior towards Musk which laughable knowing his history while we watch the con unfold fight before our eyes while the same rubes in this forum fall for it again.

[TheTexan]

The level of shilling for Trump I see is being taken to all new levels in this thread, unbelievable. As a New Yorker, Trump stiffing contractors and screwing people over was common knowledge for decades before he ran for President and for the most part you did not hear it from the news media. Everyone and their brother had a story about his company or contracting with them.

Totally amazing how decades of art of the con, where the guy even wrote books bragging about what he did, we have people turning a blind eye to history because he has been made anointed one by the PTB.

This being led by the nose by news cycle propaganda forcing the team player mentality is why nothing is ever going to change. We are now seeing the same behavior towards Musk which laughable knowing his history while we watch the con unfold fight before our eyes while the same rubes in this forum fall for it again.

Sorry but when it comes to hating on famous people your opinion is entirely too predictable. If you mix it up a bit maybe you will have more credibility. Maybe mix in a "hey I know [famous dude] personally and he is really cool guy" every once in a while. People will be more inclined to believe you on average

[oyarde]

If I dont have expectation of making money I'm not taking the job. If two people I know did work for you and told me you didnt want to pay I wouldnt do the job. With anyone who has bounced a check to me I only take cash. So I'm to understand new york contractors are all retatded ?

[pcosmar]

I hear Lawyers Whining

if stuff got built people got paid..

Half constructed decade old eyesores are from people not getting paid..

[vita3]

Anybody gonna or have invested in his SPAC?

https://www.ft.com/content/bb350803-...8-ec001d6d982a

[devil21]

Rich people don't get rich and stay rich by spending their money. They spend someone else's money and stiff the little guy if anything is due to come out of the rich guy's pocket to the little guy.

Besides, Donald Trump (and the rest of the rich class) is broke. He owns nothing. All ownership is titled under various trusts, LLCs and Inc.'s
They play by a completely different system than the average person does, where the average person's property is titled under the ALL CAPS NAME. Trump doesn't fly on his jet. He flies on TRUMP INC.'s jet, for example. But you drive around in a car titled under the ALL CAPS NAME on the driver's license.

So when we talk about "Trump" stiffing contractors, that generally only applies if Trump (ALL CAPS NAME) is personally on the hook for any payments via personal guarantees. TRUMP INC. may stiff also. Ya gotta comprehend how the NAME game controls all of this stuff. It's complicated.


There was an anecdote floating around during the 2016 election about Donald. It goes something like this. Donald and young Ivanka walked out onto the Boardwalk in Atlantic City. A homeless man nearby said "Mr. Trump can you spare a dollar so I can eat?" Trump shook his head and they kept walking. Young Ivanka asked "Daddy, why didn't you give the poor man a dollar?" Donald replied, "Ivanka, he already has more money than I do."

And he was legally correct because Donald's assets are not his. They are titled, and thus owned, by various trusts and corporate entities.

[acptulsa]

Sorry but when it comes to hating on famous people your opinion is entirely too predictable.

Totally irrelevant. His tactics were and are well known. His bankruptcies were and are well known. He did write books bragging about what an $#@! he is.

Shooting a dozen messengers won't change a single known fact.

[vita3]

Worst I’ve ever seen “Texan” look in a thread...Usually has good content.

Why not be honest & admit Don has always been a chiseler in business ..but will always be better choice than Clinton INC

[pcosmar]

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Why not be honest & admit Don has always been a chiseler in business ..

He was a Well known New York Democrat who Bought a Republican ticket.

I call that a Capitalist.

but that has become hated as well.

[Brian4Liberty]

Big companies have a habit of delaying payments on invoices for a variety of dishonest reasons. For example, they may want to put off payments until the next quarter.

The question is how much will a contractor let that debt build up before stopping work? The big company has leverage. You want to keep their business and future business? They may violate some contract terms from time to time.

Generally not a good idea to essentially extend credit to some entity that may not pay, or may declare bankruptcy on you.

[TheTexan]

Totally irrelevant. His tactics were and are well known. His bankruptcies were and are well known. He did write books bragging about what an $#@! he is.

Shooting a dozen messengers won't change a single known fact.

As long as there's no fraud, leveraging bankruptcies to one's benefit is just good business. And I haven't seen anyone claiming there was fraud involved.

[vita3]

[QUOTE=pcosmar;7117340]He was a Well known New York Democrat who Bought a Republican ticket.

I call that a Capitalist.


His energy & drive to create new businesses , over & over & over is Incredible.

Incredible! He Doesn't get enough credit for this

Still screwed way too many people out of fair payment.

Keep it real Ron Paul Forums

[pcosmar]

Still screwed way too many people out of fair payment.

That is the allegation.. that thousands of Nuisance suits are built on.

Never ripped me off..

[kahless]

This stuff used to be common knowledge. When you used to think Trump you would think of his bankruptcies, shady deals and stiffing contractors.

Trump still owes money to contractors who built Taj Mahal casino
https://www.northjersey.com/story/ne...ty/4547037002/

Trump, who once bragged that he was the “King of Debt,” owed $70 million to 253 contractors who worked on the Taj and who, in turn, hired thousands of workers.

A brief history of Trump's small-time swindles
https://theweek.com/articles/783976/...ltime-swindles

Donald Trump really did try to take an elderly widow's house for a limousine parking lot
https://www.vox.com/2016/2/7/1093117...eminent-domain

Trump denied that he'd taken the property, but he defended the use of the legal power known as eminent domain to take property. "Eminent domain is an absolute necessity for a country," he said. "Without it, you wouldn't have roads, you wouldn't have hospitals, you wouldn't have anything."

Gun control, eminent domain, stiffing contractors, for Trump supporters there is no value they will not give up to support Trump so they can feel like they are part of team promoted by their favorite faces on TV.

[pcosmar]

This stuff used to be common knowledge. When you used to think Trump you would think of his bankruptcies, shady deals and stiffing contractors.

New York.
Shady Contractors, Lawyers and Municipal Graft.

I bet the guys with Hammers got paid..

some union boss might have gotten stiffed,,or someone padding a contract may have gotten burned.

[dannno]

Totally irrelevant. His tactics were and are well known. His bankruptcies were and are well known. He did write books bragging about what an $#@! he is.

Shooting a dozen messengers won't change a single known fact.

His bankruptcies??

You mean of all the companies he ran, only like 1-3% had bankruptcies compared to the national average which is like 5-10 times higher?

[dannno]

Donald Trump really did try to take an elderly widow's house for a limousine parking lot
https://www.vox.com/2016/2/7/1093117...eminent-domain

He was trying to help her... he offered her like 3-4 times the market value. She refused. He built up around her house anyway and her property became completely worthless. She was a dumbass. The free market prevailed, as it should, and she lost everything because she was so dumb.

[pcosmar]

Independent, still.

I find the Rabid Hate both amusing and troubling.. and the Idol worship is just troubling.

I don't love the guy or hate him,,, Amuse me some more.

[vita3]

New York.
Shady Contractors, Lawyers and Municipal Graft.

I bet the guys with Hammers got paid..

some union boss might have gotten stiffed,,or someone padding a contract may have gotten burned.

Honestly, you are being delusional with imagination & excuses

My friends company is NON UNION & he stiffed them a few Hundred Thousand payment for large equipment & installation for Washington DC project (fairly recent)

We all have flaws & consistently stiffing contractors Union & NON-union is one of Donald Trumps.

Not cool

[TheTexan]

Honestly, you are being delusional with imagination & excuses

My friends company is NON UNION & he stiffed them a few Hundred Thousand payment for large equipment & installation for Washington DC project (fairly recent)

We all have flaws & consistently stiffing contractors Union & NON-union is one of Donald Trumps.

Not cool

If it's so consistent then why did your friend's company do business with him

[pcosmar]

Honestly, you are being delusional with imagination & excuses

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No.. I am being rational based on Observations. and from years of being Employed by several employers..

I don't get paid Friday,,and no work gets done on Monday.. Universal Reality.

if jobs got completed the workers got paid.. or the building would have NEVER been completed..

Lawyers whining is a bunch of Lawyers Whining.

never had one do me any good at all.

[pcosmar]

If it's so consistent then why did your friend's company do business with him

That is a very good question..best in the thread.