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"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
Yes, because that $#@! ALWAYS starts with a demand for total bans and confiscation followed by the execution of anyone with the temerity to object. Buy a $#@!ing clue assclown and manage to screw up enough humility to actually learn from people with vastly more experience than your own. Or don't and just $#@! off. I don't really give a $#@! either way.
Chris
"Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon
"...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul
Chris
"Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon
"...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul
That is not what he said.
He said he recognizes the same anti-2nd circumstances now as he did then.
He said nothing about "Trump [taking] away the 2nd amendment." In fact, he said nothing about Trump at all.
But since you mention it - and as I have already pointed out - Trump is just a standard-issue, garden-variety, half-assed wannabe gun-grabber (your "muh chess" argle-bargle to the contrary notwithstanding).
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Chris
"Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon
"...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
He already is.
vvvvvvvvvvv
It's about Trump trying to take them away.
Maybe he fails, maybe he succeeds.
But in either case, he is still a bush-league, half-assed gun-grabber.
If the country is kept from being disarmed, it will be in spite of Trump being a bush-league, half-assed gun-grabber - not because of it.
And given your obstinate refusal to see Trump as anything other than a country-saving Messiah, I don't expect you ever to realize this ...
The notion that "Trump [will have been] the only thing keeping this country from being disarmed" is deeply, profoundly and gratuitously insulting to everyone who has fought so hard to preserve gun rights in America.
Regardless of what you think about Trump or his critics, you should apologize for that asinine remark to CCTelander, Gun Owners of America, and everyone else who has worked to promote and defend gun rights over the decades past - when Trump was expressing his approval and support for gun control. They have done far, far, FAR more than Donald Trump has ever done to prevent "this country from being disarmed".
JFC ... the "only thing" my ass ...
Last edited by Occam's Banana; 12-19-2018 at 03:22 PM.
Chris
"Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon
"...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Last edited by dannno; 12-19-2018 at 03:36 PM.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.
Originally Posted by spudea on 01/15/24Originally Posted by spudea on 04/20/16Originally Posted by spudea on 05/30/17
If it holds up we will have taken another step into a state of lawlessness, the definition of automatic fire is specified in the law and it requires a single pull of the trigger.
I don't think the sky is falling either and I think this will be thrown out by the courts but it is encouraging the anti-gunners to try for more important things.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
No. They are not punishing for owning something that was legal yesterday even though it is illegal tomorrow. They are saying you are not in trouble if you turn it in or destroy it by the deadline.
Ex post facto would mean that they will be punishing you for owning it when it was legal to own, even though it is now no longer legal.
I think some of yall need to go back to civics 101 class.
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"A politician will do almost anything to keep their job, even become a patriot" - Hearst
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"A politician will do almost anything to keep their job, even become a patriot" - Hearst
Credit for what? Giving us the "mushroom tip" of trying to get bump stocks banned? Thanks, but no thanks ...
Sorry, but your Hillary-flavored "if pigs had wings" taste-masking ketchup is well past its sell-by date.
Pigs don't have wings and Hillary is not the one peddling half-assed gun-grabby EOs. Trump is.
EDIT: Also noted is your continued refusal to apologize to defenders of gun rights in favor of fellating Trump ...
Last edited by Occam's Banana; 12-19-2018 at 05:48 PM.
I personally think Trump is doing a great job protecting our gun rights by trying to take away gun rights.
- Kim KardashianIt's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
Donald Trump / Crenshaw 2024!!!!
My pronouns are he/him/his
Last edited by Anti Federalist; 12-19-2018 at 05:51 PM.
What Collins is saying is that ex post facto generally means that you could be charged today for having possessed a bump stock 2 years ago, not making a bump stock that was legal 2 years ago now illegal. No doubt it's all legalese word salad but it is an important difference, the other constitutional violations you pointed out notwithstanding.
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
So are they going to collect those big rubber bands too?
I don't think Trump is going to come after the 2A completely but between this and cucking on border wall funding Trump is having a bad week.
“When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves. I have determined to rout you out, and by the Eternal, I will rout you out!”
― Andrew Jackson
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.
Originally Posted by spudea on 01/15/24Originally Posted by spudea on 04/20/16Originally Posted by spudea on 05/30/17
Ex post facto is most typically used to refer to a criminal statute that punishes actions retroactively, thereby criminalizing conduct that was legal when originally performed.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/ex_post_facto
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"A politician will do almost anything to keep their job, even become a patriot" - Hearst
Yeah, I understand, I still say it applies, assuming there is no "grandfather" clause.
Previous bans on fully automatic or semi automatic weapons did not ban the possession of those already legally purchased.
The Volstead Act (Prohibition) did not ban the possession of alcohol, as another example.
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