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And that is Gary Johnson?
I don't like Garry Johnson. I would help Mcafee. But I don't think voting is a solution - it's an education tool, but ultimately, the entire idea of a state is wrong and voting just a way to make it seem ok to an individual who doesn't think about it.
Johnson doesn't further the idea of liberty at all. He campaigns on the idea of getting federal matching dollars for crying out loud. A big step backwards that damns the souls of men who believe it.
The Bostonians Paying the Excise-Man, 1774 British propaganda print that depicts the tarring and feathering of Boston Commissioner of Customs John Malcolm.
Don't support it. Just pointing out the colonists viewed what was useable in defence of their liberty a lot differently then modern society. They gained their liberty, we are losing ours. It has to do with something right here - about what they were taught as to when it is appropriate to use force, and what pc think we are taught.
It's our culture that has been damned when the right to self defence is eliminated so completely - and that is a lot more then just guns and never talked about effectively.
Excellent points. I'd only add that third parties can't get traction for a whole lot of other reasons than just gerrymandering; economic factors, historical precedence, active sabotage, law suits, and even death threats have led to the rigged two-party system's history of wins. But everyone knows this; Thoughtomator is just playing dumb.
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"A politician will do almost anything to keep their job, even become a patriot" - Hearst
Yeah, this makes perfect sense.
We already totally write off the black community, despite the fact that they've almost to a man been railroaded by the system their whole lives.
We already totally write off the tin-foil hat wearers, despite the fact that they're already on board with the idea that the system is evil.
We already totally write off the Bernie fans, despite the fact that they're already convinced the system is broken.
Let's alienate a bunch of nerds who have spent their lives escaping into a fantasy world for no other reason than that they've been shoved to society's margins.
You guys all made it perfectly clear that winning is more important than anything, starting in June 2012. I'm still not sure where Matt got off coming here and stabbing Rand in the back when the thing Matt explicitly wanted him to do didn't work out.
Just do us all a favor already and go get behind Trump. He's the clear winner here. That's what's important - more important by far than building coalitions with people who might have a reservation or two with getting behind the objective winner. There's obviously no way that pissing off potential allies of an alternate approach can go wrong.
There are no crimes against people.
There are only crimes against the state.
And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.
The Libertarian Party is useless and will fade away.
When the Constitution Party and Green Party get on the ballot in all 50 states,
they will grow, but LP will die, because LP stands for nothing at all.
@Matt Collins
clear some space in your inbox please
It's impossible to get behind Trump, he hasn't been nominated yet.
But it's obvious a bunch of us think that not hindering Trump attacking the establishing, supporting a LP candidate like McAfee some, and not voting - yet again - actually makes a lot more sense then
Attacking the right to defend yourself - or even ToUching someone else - horrors
Supporting a communist
Being against indirect taxes
Sucking up to federal matching funds - by a libertarian candidate - initating force from the outset.
Thinking Ayn Rand stuff is for capitalist pigs and billionaires, etc etc etc
Under the muster of attack Trump at any costs, I've seen endless amounts of non-libertarian ideas supported.
And thus, Trump is exposing the non-libertarian among us.
+rep for a multi-pronged attack.
I'm not arguing in favor of Johnson. I think "Johnson" is the most appropriate name for that leftist retard.
But that's not what the thread is about. The thread is about abandoning the idea of supporting the LP before support has even started.
The LP has more of a chance right now of being a haven for the remnants of the Revolution than anywhere else. The Republican party takeover failed, and you can lay the blame for that right at the feet of everyone who thought Rand was going to sleeper-agent his way to the top and actively discouraged all the actual takeover efforts that were going on four years ago.
The LP can be taken over in an identical manner. If that star is rising right now, it makes zero sense to ignore it.
There are no crimes against people.
There are only crimes against the state.
And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.
Worth repeating. It has been revealed that many of the most frequent posters on RPF are not libertarians at all, but play-pretend anarchists who turn into full-on totalitarians where the rubber meets the road.
To see people here engaging with glee and enthusiasm in the same dirty tactics that were used against Ron Paul in 2012 has been eye-opening.
If you want to advance the cause of liberty, you'll have to do it elsewhere, because they are going to make damn sure anything you propose or attempt to do through this site is buried in fallacies, naysaying, negativity, utopian nonsense, and propaganda.
Q: What is the difference between a libertarian and an anarchist?
A: Twenty years.
http://voluntaryist.com/
Statement of Purpose: Voluntaryists are advocates of non-political, non-violent strategies to achieve a free society. We reject electoral politics, in theory and in practice, as incompatible with libertarian principles. Governments must cloak their actions in an aura of moral legitimacy in order to sustain their power, and political methods invariably strengthen that legitimacy. Voluntaryists seek instead to delegitimize the State through education, and we advocate withdrawal of the cooperation and tacit consent on which State power ultimately depends.
Last edited by Ronin Truth; 04-04-2016 at 10:32 AM.
Ok, I agree with that. By all means start official LP threads. create an LP subforum. In fact, I think we may have not supported a LP strategy under the guise of taking over the GOP with Ron Paul, and that even made sense with Rand Paul in the race, but when we don't have a dog in the race - a lot of us are, or have been LP members.
By all means let's support the LP insofar as we can - although I am not supporting Johnson personally, I don't mind supporting the LP generally. taking - or seeping - into a major party is a good idea still (we had some success) - but right now we're doing nothing but bickering among ourselves (or becoming a recruiting ground for a communist). We can always go back to working on the gop next election - can do both.
Last edited by SpiritOf1776_J4; 04-04-2016 at 10:35 AM.
Emphasis on states, as in people-centered movements and initiatives got the carry provisions passed. The local GOP went along, because gun rights are about the only issue they can't finesse. And note Constitutional carry didn't repeal a major government program, which was the point being discussed.
The special interest bought-and-paid-for pols at the national level have not done any repealing, with the sole exception of occasionally denying renewals. The assault-weapons ban, and Section 215 of the Patriot act went away only because they had a sunset provision. GOP pols would have never gotten around to directly repealing either if they had to formally do so.
-----Peace & Freedom, John Clifton-----
Blog: https://electclifton.wordpress.com/2...back-backlash/
"If just one-tenth of the population strongly believed that government was itself the greatest moral evil and that there was a better alternative it would be enough to turn the tide."
I don't think you can fully understand Revelation without understanding state government is evil.
Make no mistake a great deal of it is about the lamb of God on mount sion - but part of the kingdom of the anti-christ that is at war with Him is state government. And the concept of government is supported by false religious ideas, whether explicitly, like the holy roman empire was, or implicitly.
Last edited by SpiritOf1776_J4; 04-04-2016 at 11:12 AM.
This is what I've been saying when we are bickering among ourselves, are not espousing libertarian principles (for the record, I've been an anarcho capitalist supporter and Christian since I was a teen ager, but probably only recently reconciled them fully or perhaps deeply is the word), and that a critical juncture is coming up and we needed to prepare:
The critical junction is fast appearing. The *only* way we are going to have a voice is unite so people can find us. I suggest the LP - which at least gives us a vehicle to educate.You may wonder where I got the one-tenth figure from in the above if all governments
require the acceptance of their rule by the majority of their population. Again,
the reason is because this acceptance doesn’t have to be active support but merely
resigned, as it usually is. If just one-tenth of the population strongly believed that
government was itself the greatest moral evil and that there was a better alternative
it would be enough to turn the tide. Since most people are followers and uncritically
accept the reigning political opinions, those who do not accept the status quo and
who are able to form and articulate a critical alternative will come to be the intellectual
leaders by default when the popular regime suffers a crisis and people begin to
look for alternatives. If the history of governments teach us anything it is that such
crisis is a regular occurrence, for governments by their nature tend toward instability.
If it be asked Why then do we still have government?, it is here answered that it is
because no viable alternative to government has been articulated by a critical mass
at such a crisis, in that most people throughout history have accepted the deception
that government is a necessary evil and could not conceive a better alternative.
(well, Christian since seven. But both as a teen).
Last edited by SpiritOf1776_J4; 04-04-2016 at 11:15 AM.
A "first past the poll" (winner takes everything) system will over time create a two party system.
They don't.Originally Posted by Matt Collins
The goal is to raise the party and ideology's profile with an historic performance (which would be anything over 1%).
For hardcore LP supporters, this is intended to improve the odds of LP candidates winning elections in the future.
For libertarian GOPers such as myself, the purpose is rather to increase the odds of libertarians winning GOP primaries.
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