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    A Science-Based Case for Ending the Porn Epidemic

    They say the first step is admitting you have a problem. I think many readers of this article will respond with outrage, and many will see it says things they already knew to be true—and I think these two groups will largely overlap. The most powerful obstacle to confronting a destructive addiction is denial, and collectively we are in denial about pornography.
    Since it seems somehow relevant, let me state at the outset that I am French. Every fiber of my Latin, Catholic body recoils at puritanism of any sort, especially the bizarre, Anglo-Puritan kind so prevalent in America. I believe eroticism is one of God’s greatest gifts to humankind, prudishness a bizarre aberration, and not so long ago, hyperbolic warnings about the perils of pornography, whether from my Evangelical Christian or progressive feminist friends, had me rolling my eyes.
    Not anymore. I have become deadly serious. A few years ago, a friend—unsurprisingly, a female friend—mentioned that there was strong medical evidence for the proposition that online pornography is a lot more dangerous than most people suspect. Since I was skeptical, I looked into it. I became intrigued and kept following the evolving science, as well as online testimonies, off and on. It didn’t take me long to understand that my friend is right. In fact, the more I delved into the subject, the more alarmed I became.


    The central contention of this article is that, however we might feel morally about pornography in general, a number of features about pornography as it has actually existed for the past decade or so, with the emergence of “Tube” sites that provide endless, instant, high-definition video in 2006, and the proliferation of smartphones and tablets since 2007, is fundamentally different from anything we’ve previously experienced.
    A scientific consensus is emerging that today’s porn is truly a public health menace: its new incarnation combines with some evolutionarily-designed features of our brain to make it uniquely addictive, on par with any drug you might name—and uniquely destructive. The evidence is in: porn is as addictive as smoking, or more, except that what smoking does to your lungs, porn does to your brain.

    The damage is real, and it’s profound. The scientific evidence has mounted: certain evolutionarily-designed features of our neurobiology not only mean that today’s porn is profoundly addictive, but that this addiction—which, at this point, must include the majority of all males—has been rewiring our brains in ways that have had a profoundly damaging impact on our sexuality, our relationships, and our mental health.


    Furthermore, I believe that it is also having a far-reaching impact on our social fabric as a whole—while it is impossible to demonstrate any cause-and-effect relationship scientifically beyond a reasonable doubt when it comes to broad social trends, I believe the evidence is still compelling or, at least, highly suggestive.
    Indeed, it is so compelling that I now believe that online porn addiction is the number one public health challenge facing the West today.
    If the evidence is so strong and the damage so deep and pervasive, why is nobody talking about this? Well—why did it take so long for society to admit, and respond to, the evidence on the harms of smoking? In part because, even when emerging scientific evidence is quite solid, in the best of worlds there is always a lag between specialists making a discovery and academic gatekeepers embracing it, thereby granting it the social stamp of authority of scientific consensus. In part it is because, for many of us, our background assumption is that “porn” means something similar to Playboy and lingerie catalogues. In part, it is because of widespread (and, in my view, mistaken) assumptions about what important values like free speech, gender equality, and sexual health entail. In part it is because deep-monied interests have a stake in the status quo. And in very large parts, it is because most of us are now addicts—and like good addicts, we are in denial.


    Porn Is the New Smoking

    I’ve been a smoker since my early 20s. I have said things like, “I can quit any time,” “I just do it because I enjoy it,” “My grandmother smoked for decades and she’s perfectly healthy,” while feeling secret shame for not being able to climb a flight of stairs without losing my breath. No form of delusion is more powerful than self-delusion.
    Anti-porn advocates like the phrase “porn is the new smoking.” Call today the beginnings of the “Mad Men” stage of the process, then: the time when most people still see smoking as harmless, but the scientific evidence is starting to pile up, and the drip-drip-drip of new data is just starting to be heard beyond specialist circles of academia and the few kooks who had a hunch all along that this was nastier than it looked. We can hope, some time not too long from now, we will look at today’s jokes about PornHub with the same mix of bafflement and shame we feel when we see 1950s ads with slogans like “More Doctors Smoke Camel Than Any Other Cigarette.”
    So, what is this new scientific data?
    The first step is to look at the evidence on the effect of porn on the chemistry of the brain. It is an understatement to say that mammals, particularly males, are wired by evolution to seek out sexual stimulation. When we get it, a deep part of our brain called the reward center, which we share with most mammals and whose job it is to make us feel good when we do things we are evolutionarily designed to seek, releases the neurotransmitter dopamine.
    Dopamine is sometimes called “the pleasure hormone,” but this is an oversimplification; it would be more accurate to call it “the desire hormone” or “the craving hormone”. Crucially, the release of dopamine starts not with the reward itself, but with the anticipation of reward. The reward center’s job is to make us crave those things which we are evolutionarily designed to crave—starting with sex and food.
    It’s not exactly a scoop that humans are wired to seek out sexual stimulation, is it? No, but today’s internet porn plays differently with our reward system. The design of mammals’ reward system causes something scientists call the Coolidge Effect.
    It is named after an old joke: President Calvin Coolidge and the First Lady are separately visiting a farm. Mrs. Coolidge visits the chicken yard and sees the rooster mating a lot. She asks how often that happens, and is told, “Dozens of times each day.” Mrs. Coolidge responds, “Tell that to the president when he comes by.” Upon being told, the president asks, “Same hen every time?” “Oh, no, Mr. President, a different hen every time.” “Tell that to Mrs. Coolidge.”
    Hence, the Coolidge Effect. If you place a male rat in a box with several female rats in heat, the rat will immediately begin to mate with all the female rats, until it is utterly exhausted. The female rats, still wanting sexual congress, will nudge and lick the drained animal, but at some point he will simply stop responding—until you put a new female in the box, at which point the male will suddenly awaken and proceed to mate with the new female.



    It’s a good (albeit corny) joke. But the Coolidge Effect is also one of the most robust findings in science. It has been replicated in all mammals, and most other animals (some species of cricket don’t have it). The evolutionary imperative is to spread genes as widely as possible, which makes the Coolidge Effect a very suitable adaptation. Neurochemically, this means that our brain produces more dopamine with novel partners. And—this is the crucial bit—on Tube sites, each new porn scene our brain interprets as a new partner. In a study, the same porn film was shown repeatedly to a group of men, and they found that arousal declined with each new viewing—until a new film was shown, at which point arousal shot right back up to the same level as when the men were shown the film the first time.
    This is one of the critical ways in which today’s porn is fundamentally different from yesterday’s: unlike Playboy, online porn provides literally infinite novelty with no effort. With Tube sites and a broadband connection, you can have a new clip—what your brain interprets as a new partner—literally every minute, every second. And with laptops, smartphones and tablets, they can be accessed everywhere, 24/7, immediately.
    This can be likened to what Nobel laureate Nikolaas Tinbergen called a superstimulus: something artificial that provides a stimulus that our brains are evolutionarily wired to seek, but at a level way beyond what we are evolutionarily prepared to cope with, wreaking havoc on our brains. Tinbergen found that female birds could spend their lives struggling to sit on giant fake, brightly-colored eggs while leaving their own, paler eggs to die. An increasing number of scientists believe the obesity epidemic is the result of a superstimulus: products like refined sugar are textbook examples of an artificial version of something we’re designed to seek, in a concentrated form that doesn’t exist in nature and that our bodies aren’t prepared for.
    Evolution could not prepare our brains for the neurochemical rush of an always-on kaleidoscope of sexual novelty. This makes online porn uniquely addictive—just like a drug. Some scientists believe that the reason why chemical drugs can be so addictive is that they trigger our neurochemical reward mechanisms linked to sex; heroin addicts often claim that shooting up “feels like an orgasm.” A 2010 study on rats found that methamphetamine use activated the same reward systems and the same circuitry as sex.
    (Along with dolphins and some higher primates, rats are the only mammals who mate for pleasure as well as reproduction; and humans’ sex reward systems are neurologically basically the same as rats’, since they are one of the least evolved parts of our brains. These factors make the little critters excellent test subjects for experiments on the neurochemistry of human sexuality. Yes, when it comes to sex, us men are basically rats. The more you know . . . )
    What’s more, no one is born with a reward circuitry wired in their brain for alcohol, or cocaine—but everyone is born with a hardwired reward system for sexual stimulation. Addiction research has shown that not all people have a predisposition to addiction to chemical substances—only if you have a genetic predisposition can your brain’s reward system be tricked into mistaking a particular chemical for sex. This is why some people become alcoholics even after being exposed to moderate amounts of alcohol, while others (like me) can drink heavily without developing an addiction, or why some people can have just one cigarette at a party and then not worry about it while others (like me) must have their nicotine fix every day. By contrast, all of us have a predisposition to addiction to sexual stimulus.
    Another well-established evolutionary mechanism is something called the bingeing effect. We evolved under conditions of resource scarcity, which meant it was evolutionarily advantageous to have a reward system programmed to give us a very strong drive to binge whenever we hit a motherlode of something. But putting mammals wired for the bingeing effect in an environment of abundance can wreak havoc on their brains. (The bingeing effect has also been linked to obesity.)
    If our reward system interprets each new porn clip as the same thing as a new sexual partner, this means an unprecedented sort of stimulus for our brain. Not comparable to Playboy, or even ’90s-era dial-up downloads. Even decadent Roman emperors, Turkish sultans, and 1970s rock stars never had 24/7, one-click-away-access to infinitely many, infinitely novel sexual partners.
    The combination of a pre-existing natural circuit for neurochemical reward linked to sexual stimulus and the possibility of immediate, infinite novelty—which, again, was not a feature of porn until 2006—means that a user can now keep his dopamine levels much higher, and for much longer periods of time, than we can possibly hope our brains to handle without real and lasting damage.


    Slowly, the evidence has been piling up, and it looks, by now, overwhelming: porn does do the same things to our brains as addictive substances.
    A 2011 study on the self-reported experiences of 89 males found “parallels between cognitive and brain mechanisms potentially contributing to the maintenance of excessive cybersex and those described for individuals with substance dependence.” A 2014 Cambridge University study watched people’s brains through an MRI machine; Valerie Voon, the study’s lead author, summarized the findings thus: “There are clear differences in brain activity between patients who have compulsive sexual behaviour and healthy volunteers.”
    Another Cambridge University study the same year, this time comparing porn addicts’ responses to psychological tests to the responses of normal subjects, found that “sexually explicit videos were associated with greater activity in a neural network similar to that observed in drug-cue-reactivity studies.” Almost all of the neuroscience studies on this topic find the same result: online porn use does the same things to our brains as drug addiction.
    But don’t take my word for it. Scientists have done many reviews of the literature. Only one review that I am aware of, from 2014, disputes the idea of online porn addiction; it’s the only review that doesn’t look at brain and brain-scan studies, and combines studies from before the Tube era and after. Meanwhile, a thorough 2015 review of the neuroscience literature on internet porn found that “neuroscientific research supports the assumption that underlying neural processes (of online porn addiction) are similar to substance addiction” and that “Internet pornography addiction fits into the addiction framework and shares similar basic mechanisms with substance addiction.” Another 2015 review found that “Neuroimaging studies support the assumption of meaningful commonalities between cybersex addiction and other behavioral addictions as well as substance dependency.” A 2018 review found the same thing:
    Recent neurobiological studies have revealed that compulsive sexual behaviors are associated with altered processing of sexual material and differences in brain structure and function. . . . existing data suggest neurobiological abnormalities share communalities with other additions such as substance use and gambling disorders.
    In January 2019, a team of researchers published a paper straightforwardly titled “Online Porn Addiction: What We Know and What We Don’t—A Systematic Review” which concluded, “as far as we know, a number of recent studies support (problematic use of online pornography) as an addiction.” It’s hard to call this anything but overwhelming evidence.
    The studies have been done in numerous countries, and using various methods, from neuro-imaging to surveys to experiments and, to varying degrees, they all say the same thing.
    All right, you might respond, online porn addiction may be a real thing, but does that mean we need to freak out? After all, smoking and heroin will kill you, serious cannabis addiction will melt your brain, alcohol addiction will wreak havoc in your life—compared to that, how bad can porn addiction be?
    The answer, it turns out, is: pretty bad.
    Let’s start with what we all know about addiction: you need more and more of your drug to get less and less of a kick; this is the cycle which makes addiction so destructive. The reason for this is that addiction simply rewires the circuitry of our brain.
    When the reward center of our brain is activated, it releases chemicals that make us feel good. Mainly dopamine, as we’ve seen, and also a protein called DeltaFosB. Its function is to strengthen the neural pathways that dopamine travels, deepening the neural connection between the buzz we get and whatever we’re doing or experiencing when we get it. DeltaFosB is important for learning new skills: if you keep practicing that golf swing until you get it right, you feel a burst of joy—that’s dopamine—, while the accompanying release of DeltaFosB helps your brain remember how to do it again. It’s a very clever system.
    But DeltaFosB is also responsible for making addiction possible. Addictive drugs activate the same nerve cells activated during sexual arousal, which is why we derive pleasure from them. But we become addicted to them when DeltaFosB, essentially, has reprogrammed our brain’s reward system, originally written to make us seek out sex (and food), to make it seek out that chemical instead. This is why addiction is so powerful: the addict’s urge is really our most powerful evolutionary urge, hijacked. And since online pornography is a sexual stimulus to begin with, we are all predisposed, and it takes much less rewiring for consumption to cause addiction.
    As we’ll see, this neurobiological feature of our brains has far-reaching implications for the effect porn addiction has on us: on our sexuality, on our relationships, and even on society at large.
    Porn Kills the Urge for Real Sex

    Porn is a sexual stimulus, but it is not sex. Notoriously, heroin addicts eventually lose interest in sex: this is because their brains are rewired so that their sex reward system is reprogrammed to seek out heroin rather than sex. In the same way, as we consume more and more porn, which we must since it is addictive and we need more to get the same kick, our brain is rewired so that what triggers the reward system that is supposed to be linked to sex is no longer linked to sex—to a human in the flesh, to touching, to kissing, to caressing—but to porn.
    Which is why we are witnessing a phenomenon which, as best as anyone can tell, is totally unprecedented in all of human history: an epidemic of chronic erectile dysfunction (ED) among men under 40. The evidence is earth-shattering: since the Kinsey report in the 1940s, studies have found roughly the same, stable rates of chronic ED: less than 1 percent among men younger than 30, less than 3 percent in men aged 30-45.
    As of this writing, at least ten studies published since 2010 report a tremendous rise in ED. Rates of ED among men under 40 ranged from 14 percent to 37 percent, and rates of low libido from 16 percent to 37 percent. No variable related to youthful ED has meaningfully changed since then, except for one: the advent of on-demand video porn in 2006. It’s worth repeating: we went from less than 1 percent of erectile dysfunction in young men to 14 to 37 percent, an increase of several orders of magnitude.
    Online forums are full of anguished reports from young men about ED. An agonizing story is eerily common: a young man has his first sexual experience; his girlfriend is willing, he loves her or at least is attracted to her, but finds himself simply unable to sustain an erection (though he is perfectly able to maintain one when he watches porn). Many more report a milder version of the same problem: during sex with their girlfriend, they must visualize pornographic movies in their heads to sustain their erection. They are not fantasizing about something they like more: they want to be present, want to be aroused by a real woman’s scent and touch. They understand perfectly well how absurd it is to be more attracted by the substitute than by the real thing, and it distresses them. Some must put hardcore pornography on in the background in order to be able to have sex with their girlfriends (and, incredibly, the girlfriends agree to this).

    More at: https://amgreatness.com/2019/12/15/a...porn-epidemic/
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    It can't have anything to do with fat, nagging feminists and fear of spontaneity in a culture that defines normal behavior as rape and charges men child support even after they have proven the child isn't his. We had better blame porn like good little puritans so women can continue to not take responsibility for anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    It can't have anything to do with fat, nagging feminists and fear of spontaneity in a culture that defines normal behavior as rape and charges men child support even after they have proven the child isn't his. We had better blame porn like good little puritans so women can continue to not take responsibility for anything.
    The article shows a direct scientific connection.

    And if you bother to read it (it's very long) it shows other kinds of deleterious effects on the brain and society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    It can't have anything to do with fat, nagging feminists and fear of spontaneity in a culture that defines normal behavior as rape and charges men child support even after they have proven the child isn't his. We had better blame porn like good little puritans so women can continue to not take responsibility for anything.
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    Oh look - the anti vaxxer 'splaining why the first amendment needs to be overthrown for the children, because SCIENCE .

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Oh look - the anti vaxxer 'splaining why the first amendment needs to be overthrown for the children, because SCIENCE .
    Oh, look.
    The mandatory vaccine pusher thinks the only way to deal with something is through government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    It can't have anything to do with fat, nagging feminists and fear of spontaneity in a culture that defines normal behavior as rape and charges men child support even after they have proven the child isn't his. We had better blame porn like good little puritans so women can continue to not take responsibility for anything.
    Much truth here!

    The issue isn't porn it's woman's behavior.

    A good woman will never leave her man frustrated just as a good man will never leave his woman frustrated.

    A good woman sticks by her man through the financial and health waves of life and vice versa.

    Since good women have become even more rare than good men there's good reason to seek harmless release for either sex. (Any temporary "brain re-wiring" is a much better alternative for a man than years or possibly decades of financial liability and the knowledge that his child(ren) are being raised with a major strike against them.)

    Furthermore it's only right that the government that promotes such things as "single motherhood", alimony and slanted domestic laws-n-kourts be left holding the bag at the end.



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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    Much truth here!

    The issue isn't porn it's woman's behavior.

    A good woman will never leave her man frustrated just as a good man will never leave his woman frustrated.

    A good woman sticks by her man through the financial and health waves of life and vice versa.

    Since good women have become even more rare than good men there's good reason to seek harmless release for either sex. (Any temporary "brain re-wiring" is a much better alternative for a man than years or possibly decades of financial liability and the knowledge that his child(ren) are being raised with a major strike against them.)

    Furthermore it's only right that the government that promotes such things as "single motherhood", alimony and slanted domestic laws-n-kourts be left holding the bag at the end.
    Women get frustrated?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Women get frustrated?
    Good ones have a libido that's not hooked to the Mastercard.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The article shows a direct scientific connection.

    And if you bother to read it (it's very long) it shows other kinds of deleterious effects on the brain and society.
    I did bother to read it, but thanks for ASSuming I didn't. And you've also posted an article that "shows a direct scientific connection" between fossil fuel usage and pee in the ocean off California, haven't you? Why suddenly turn sucker now? Because porn offends your delicate fundy sensibilities?
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    There is no doubt that the internet and modern electronic devices have altered people’s brains, especially younger people. The instant gratification, rewards and addictive nature are well known, especially by the apps and websites that provide such services. Facebook and others have admitted as much. People sit around and interact with their devices instead of interacting with each other, or going out and doing something. Males are probably more addicted to video games and porn, women to celebrities, fame, fortune and trying to make their lives look glamorous and exciting. Constant selfies on Instagram or whatever apps they may use. And no need to mention those that are addicted to politics or trolling the internet.

    What has it caused? A generation of depressed and anxiety ridden kids on drugs because they have no real lives, and nothing can compare to the false lives on the internet.

    Solution? Get off the internet, and extremely limit your children’s access.
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    Porn was the reason the internet was invented.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Porn was the reason the internet was invented.
    I didn't know Al Gore was so kinky.

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    I didn't know Al Gore was so kinky.
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    Meh, I saw some data recently, may have been posted here, but essentially showed that moderate porn usage is perfectly healthy and does not contribute to ED in actual sexual situations. In fact, it showed the opposite. Not to mention, they are going to be less likely to get prostate cancer.

    What moderate porn usage means can vary quite drastically depending on the person's libido. So if somebody has a weak libido, it might be that they view porn once a week and that is moderate. It could be somebody with a strong libido views porn two or three times a day and that is moderate for them.

    Now, take the person with the weak libido - if they are viewing porn three times a day, then they are likely addicted and may develop problems whereas the strong libido person is not. If the person with the strong libido views porn 5 or 10 times a day, that is a good sign they are probably addicted and develop some type of problems.

    I would also say that moderate porn usage involves some semi-realistic sexual interactions. If you are into some weird porn that does not resemble anything like a sexual situation between them and a person of the opposite sex, then I could see how that could cause the re-wiring issues. I see no issue with guys watching girls solo, girl on girl, guy on girl, girl on girl on guy, girl on girl on girl on guy.. Not sure why any guy would want to watch anything other than that. Except maybe girl on girl on girl on girl on guy.. but anything more than that is just crazy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Meh, I saw some data recently, may have been posted here, but essentially showed that moderate porn usage is perfectly healthy and does not contribute to ED in actual sexual situations. In fact, it showed the opposite. Not to mention, they are going to be less likely to get prostate cancer.

    What moderate porn usage means can vary quite drastically depending on the person's libido. So if somebody has a weak libido, it might be that they view porn once a week and that is moderate. It could be somebody with a strong libido views porn two or three times a day and that is moderate for them.

    Now, take the person with the weak libido - if they are viewing porn three times a day, then they are likely addicted and may develop problems whereas the strong libido person is not. If the person with the strong libido views porn 5 or 10 times a day, that is a good sign they are probably addicted and develop some type of problems.

    I would also say that moderate porn usage involves some semi-realistic sexual interactions. If you are into some weird porn that does not resemble anything like a sexual situation between them and a person of the opposite sex, then I could see how that could cause the re-wiring issues. I see no issue with guys watching girls solo, girl on girl, guy on girl, girl on girl on guy, girl on girl on girl on guy.. Not sure why any guy would want to watch anything other than that. Except maybe girl on girl on girl on girl on guy.. but anything more than that is just crazy.
    Now that's scientific!
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    Oh yeah, smell that freedom just wafting through this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    And you've also posted an article that "shows a direct scientific connection" between fossil fuel usage and pee in the ocean off California, haven't you?
    WRONG

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    Why suddenly turn sucker now? Because porn offends your delicate fundy sensibilities?
    If you want to let porn warp your brain I don't care, you can't say I didn't warn you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    There is no doubt that the internet and modern electronic devices have altered people’s brains, especially younger people. The instant gratification, rewards and addictive nature are well known, especially by the apps and websites that provide such services. Facebook and others have admitted as much. People sit around and interact with their devices instead of interacting with each other, or going out and doing something. Males are probably more addicted to video games and porn, women to celebrities, fame, fortune and trying to make their lives look glamorous and exciting. Constant selfies on Instagram or whatever apps they may use. And no need to mention those that are addicted to politics or trolling the internet.

    What has it caused? A generation of depressed and anxiety ridden kids on drugs because they have no real lives, and nothing can compare to the false lives on the internet.

    Solution? Get off the internet, and extremely limit your children’s access.
    You hit the nail right on the head. Anything can be addicting, especially, if an individual is vulnerable and weak.

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  24. #21
    OK, Boomers. (Looks like it’s up to you.)
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    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
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  25. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    There is no doubt that the internet and modern electronic devices have altered people’s brains, especially younger people. The instant gratification, rewards and addictive nature are well known, especially by the apps and websites that provide such services. Facebook and others have admitted as much. People sit around and interact with their devices instead of interacting with each other, or going out and doing something. Males are probably more addicted to video games and porn, women to celebrities, fame, fortune and trying to make their lives look glamorous and exciting. Constant selfies on Instagram or whatever apps they may use. And no need to mention those that are addicted to politics or trolling the internet.

    What has it caused? A generation of depressed and anxiety ridden kids on drugs because they have no real lives, and nothing can compare to the false lives on the internet.

    Solution? Get off the internet, and extremely limit your children’s access.
    OK BOOMER but the internet is how people communicate now. So the solution is to make the whole world communicate the old fashioned way or not to talk to anyone?? I understand limiting your internet usage and websites that are echo chambers that limit your ability to communicate with different audiences because that makes your social skills worse and limits your ability to see other perspectives. Something is addictive if is difficult to stop. If you experience negative physiological or psychological feelings if you stop. People need to stop citing extreme behaviors of individuals and attributing them to groups of people. Or telling people the way they live their life and their sensibilities are wrong because they like different things. Scientific studies are more often than not rigged to promote an idea by the people who fund them. People can do things that are addictive to some people that are not addictive to them. I think the worst addiction is the people who sit around all day thinking of ways other people should live their lives instead of living their own.

  26. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Porn was the reason the internet was invented.
    It's true.
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    what works can never be discussed online. there is only one language the government understands, and until the people start speaking it by the magazine full... things will remain the same.
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  27. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    If you want to let porn warp your brain I don't care
    If you don't care, then why are you posting in support of banning it?
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  29. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    OK BOOMER but the internet is how people communicate now. So the solution is to make the whole world communicate the old fashioned way or not to talk to anyone?? I understand limiting your internet usage and websites that are echo chambers that limit your ability to communicate with different audiences because that makes your social skills worse and limits your ability to see other perspectives. Something is addictive if is difficult to stop. If you experience negative physiological or psychological feelings if you stop. People need to stop citing extreme behaviors of individuals and attributing them to groups of people. Or telling people the way they live their life and their sensibilities are wrong because they like different things. Scientific studies are more often than not rigged to promote an idea by the people who fund them. People can do things that are addictive to some people that are not addictive to them. I think the worst addiction is the people who sit around all day thinking of ways other people should live their lives instead of living their own.
    Pipe down junior! No one is suggesting taking away your cell phone, but you are not allowed to bring it to the dinner table.
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    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
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  30. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    If you don't care, then why are you posting in support of banning it?
    He wants me to rot my brain down to his level before his totalitarian prohibition passes.
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    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Pipe down junior! No one is suggesting taking away your cell phone, but you are not allowed to bring it to the dinner table.
    No one really eats dinner at the dinner table. In a way the internet helps people communicate certain things because it lets you be directly brutally honest. People can be a dick who arent a dick in real life because they feel like its anonymous or wont get punched in the face for saying $#@! things. The bad part is all the $#@!s get an outlet to vent their $#@!ness that they can't let out in real life without being cancelled or fired or punched. So you get $#@! echo chambers who get to bully people into hating everyone and becoming an $#@!. Then it permeates into real life and everyone's an $#@! to eachother in real life. Then people have to retreat into their safe spaces or get addicted to being an $#@! to everyone. Im ok with a cell phone at the dinner table as long as people aren't retreating into the cellphones because they are eating dinner with a bunch of $#@!s. If you aren't an $#@! people will want to talk to you in real life at the dinner table. People are social animals and its more fun to talk to someone in real life than on the internet.

    Why is a.sshole censored??

  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    If you don't care, then why are you posting in support of banning it?
    I didn't.
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  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Oh look - the anti vaxxer 'splaining why the first amendment needs to be overthrown for the children, because SCIENCE .
    What does porn have to do with the first amendment? That only protects speech. Images of people $#@!ing are not speech.

    And $#@! the "for the children" nonsense, porn should be illegal for being subversive and harmful to society and all pornographers should get the death penalty.

    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Meh, I saw some data recently, may have been posted here, but essentially showed that moderate porn usage is perfectly healthy and does not contribute to ED in actual sexual situations. In fact, it showed the opposite. Not to mention, they are going to be less likely to get prostate cancer.

    What moderate porn usage means can vary quite drastically depending on the person's libido. So if somebody has a weak libido, it might be that they view porn once a week and that is moderate. It could be somebody with a strong libido views porn two or three times a day and that is moderate for them.

    Now, take the person with the weak libido - if they are viewing porn three times a day, then they are likely addicted and may develop problems whereas the strong libido person is not. If the person with the strong libido views porn 5 or 10 times a day, that is a good sign they are probably addicted and develop some type of problems.

    I would also say that moderate porn usage involves some semi-realistic sexual interactions. If you are into some weird porn that does not resemble anything like a sexual situation between them and a person of the opposite sex, then I could see how that could cause the re-wiring issues. I see no issue with guys watching girls solo, girl on girl, guy on girl, girl on girl on guy, girl on girl on girl on guy.. Not sure why any guy would want to watch anything other than that. Except maybe girl on girl on girl on girl on guy.. but anything more than that is just crazy.
    Porn is psychological warfare that turns you into a weak voyeuristic beta cuck. Do you think an alpha lion sits around and masturbates while watching other lions take his lionesses? Have some respect for yourself and your women, you degenerate!
    Last edited by AdamL; 12-21-2019 at 02:31 AM.
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  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by AdamL View Post
    What does porn have to do with the first amendment? That only protects speech. Images of people $#@!ing are not speech.

    And $#@! the "for the children" nonsense, porn should be illegal for being subversive and harmful to society and all pornographers should get the death penalty.



    Porn is psychological warfare that turns you into a weak voyeuristic beta cuck. Do you think an alpha lion sits around and masturbates while watching other lions take his lionesses? Have some respect for yourself and your women, you degenerate...
    I am pretty sure if porn was good that it would be banned. If you were starving would you rather eat something or watch a movie about people eating? Also I don't know how anyone can view porn on their computer without getting all types of malware installed. It is not possible to view porn on the internet without all types of buggers attaching to your equipment.. For me that reason alone is good enough for me to ban porn at least from from my computer.
    Last edited by Working Poor; 12-20-2019 at 06:36 AM.

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