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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Both sides should be condemned for their actions.
    One side is composed entirely of people looking to use violence to suppress free speech, the other has a few renegades.
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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Both sides should be condemned for their actions.
    You're dodging the question. And soon you'll disappear from the exchange. The fact that both groups participate in violence does not make them moral equivalents.
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    Who brought violence? The ones who covered their faces? The ones who threw punches? The ones with pepper spray? The ones with sticks and other weapons? That covers people on both sides. Both parties were extremists and not representative of their respective parties. Alt- Right vs Alt-Left.

    Why have a Trump rally on one of the most liberal campuses in the US? Because they expected a warm welcome? That too can be seen as provocative.

    Politics used to be about trying to win people over to your side. Now they want to get you to vote for them by hating the other side because emotion is easier to convince them than using logic.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 08-08-2018 at 08:01 PM.

  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Who brought violence? The ones who covered their faces? The ones who threw punches? The ones with pepper spray? The ones with sticks and other weapons? That covers people on both sides. Both parties were extremists and not representative of their respective parties.
    The people whose goal was to use violence to suppress free speech and the people who started the violence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Why have a Trump rally on one of the most liberal campuses in the US? Because they expected a warm welcome? That too can be seen as provocative.
    It's called free speech, there are a few students there who are trump supporters and a few who might listen to Trump supporters' points of view, it is NOT provocative, stop spewing AntiFa garbage.
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  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Who brought violence? The ones who covered their faces? The ones who threw punches? The ones with pepper spray? The ones with sticks and other weapons? That covers people on both sides. Both parties were extremists and not representative of their respective parties.
    The people who bring violence are the group who engage in violent skirmishes wherever they go. Which is the best predictor of violence when they show up? Trump Supporters? Proud Boys? Patriot Prayer? Or antifa?

    Why have a Trump rally on one of the most liberal campuses in the US? Because they expected a warm welcome? That too can be seen as provocative.
    Bernie Sanders got a warm welcome from Liberty University. Do we need to hold leftists to a different standard? Are they savages who can't help but be violent in the presence of right-wingers?

    Ben Shapiro came to UC Berkeley in 2016 without incident. He came again last year and antifa showed up with intent to cause mayhem. Luckily the BPD did their jobs for once and it was peaceful. He's not even a Trump supporter. The escalatory elements is antifa, no one else.
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  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by ThePaleoLibertarian View Post
    The people who bring violence are the group who engage in violent skirmishes wherever they go. Which is the best predictor of violence when they show up? Trump Supporters? Proud Boys? Patriot Prayer? Or antifa?
    Actually the last three. They all have records of violence when they show up. I would not link all Trump supporters with them.

    https://www.wweek.com/news/2018/08/0...s-senate-race/

    Gibson has led dozens of protests along the west coast. His events often attract alt-right figures, white supremacists and armed militia members. In Portland, the Patriot Prayer rallies often devolved into street brawls.

    The worst-ever violence at a Patriot Prayer event broke out on June 30, when Gibson's followers, joined by a large coalition of Proud Boys, clashed with antifascist counterprotesters. Members of the far-right group beat antifascists with flagpoles after counterprotesters lobbed rocks and fireworks at the Patriot Prayer crowd. Five people sought treatment in Portland hospitals after the riot.

    The most recent rally on Aug. 4 avoided similar beatings, but ended with police firing explosives and chemical irritants at the counterprotesters, injuring several people.
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/...144139072.html

    Explained: Who are the far-right Proud Boys?

    As the 2016 presidential elections agitated already sharp political divisions in the United States, a host of far-right groups began to emerge across the country.

    With anti-fascist groups also setting up shop in many cities and towns, violent clashes also became part and parcel of protests, particularly in the months following US President Donald Trump's inauguration.

    One of the many far-right organisations that welcomed opportunities to engage in violence was the Proud Boys, a self-described pro-Western, chauvinist "fraternity" headed by a former media executive.

    Established in 2016 by Vice cofounder Gavin McInnes, the Proud Boys boast of chapters in several major North American cities in the US and Canada, as well as places as far away as Israel.

    McInnes, who left Vice in 2008 due to what he described as "creative differences", used his former programme at Rebel Media, a right-wing online Canadian outlet, to promote the Proud Boys.
    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...t-left/534192/

    The Rise of the Violent Left
    Antifa’s activists say they’re battling burgeoning authoritarianism on the American right. Are they fueling it instead?

    Since 1907, portland, oregon, has hosted an annual Rose Festival. Since 2007, the festival had included a parade down 82nd Avenue. Since 2013, the Republican Party of Multnomah County, which includes Portland, had taken part. This April, all of that changed.

    In the days leading up to the planned parade, a group called the Direct Action Alliance declared, “Fascists plan to march through the streets,” and warned, “Nazis will not march through Portland unopposed.” The alliance said it didn’t object to the Multnomah GOP itself, but to “fascists” who planned to infiltrate its ranks. Yet it also denounced marchers with “Trump flags” and “red maga hats” who could “normalize support for an orange man who bragged about sexually harassing women and who is waging a war of hate, racism and prejudice.” A second group, Oregon Students Empowered, created a Facebook page called “Shut down fascism! No nazis in Portland!”

    Next, the parade’s organizers received an anonymous email warning that if “Trump supporters” and others who promote “hateful rhetoric” marched, “we will have two hundred or more people rush into the parade … and drag and push those people out.” When Portland police said they lacked the resources to provide adequate security, the organizers canceled the parade. It was a sign of things to come.
    On Inauguration Day, a masked activist punched the white-supremacist leader Richard Spencer. In February, protesters violently disrupted UC Berkeley’s plans to host a speech by Milo Yiannopoulos, a former Breitbart.com editor. In March, protesters pushed and shoved the controversial conservative political scientist Charles Murray when he spoke at Middlebury College, in Vermont.

    As far-flung as these incidents were, they have something crucial in common. Like the organizations that opposed the Multnomah County Republican Party’s participation in the 82nd Avenue of Roses Parade, these activists appear to be linked to a movement called “antifa,” which is short for antifascist or Anti-Fascist Action. The movement’s secrecy makes definitively cataloging its activities difficult, but this much is certain: Antifa’s power is growing. And how the rest of the activist left responds will help define its moral character in the Trump age.
    The violence is not directed only at avowed racists like Spencer: In June of last year, demonstrators—at least some of whom were associated with antifa—punched and threw eggs at people exiting a Trump rally in San Jose, California. An article in It’s Going Down celebrated the “righteous beatings.”
    Antifascists call such actions defensive. Hate speech against vulnerable minorities, they argue, leads to violence against vulnerable minorities. But Trump supporters and white nationalists see antifa’s attacks as an assault on their right to freely assemble, which they in turn seek to reassert. The result is a level of sustained political street warfare not seen in the U.S. since the 1960s. A few weeks after the attacks in San Jose, for instance, a white-supremacist leader announced that he would host a march in Sacramento to protest the attacks at Trump rallies. Anti-Fascist Action Sacramento called for a counterdemonstration; in the end, at least 10 people were stabbed.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 08-08-2018 at 08:21 PM.

  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Who brought violence? The ones who covered their faces? The ones who threw punches? The ones with pepper spray? The ones with sticks and other weapons? That covers people on both sides. Both parties were extremists and not representative of their respective parties. Alt- Right vs Alt-Left.

    Why have a Trump rally on one of the most liberal campuses in the US? Because they expected a warm welcome? That too can be seen as provocative.

    Politics used to be about trying to win people over to your side. Now they want to get you to vote for them by hating the other side because emotion is easier to convince them than using logic.
    Wow - this is some serious "blame the victim" stuff right here. "California - the rules are different here."

  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Actually the last three. They all have records of violence when they show up. I would not link all Trump supporters with them.
    There would be no violence at Proud Boy or Patriot Prayer rallies were it not for antifa. That's what you seem to be incapable of grasping. Antifa goes down to these gatherings to "bash the fash". They're totally open about it. There are peaceful rallies when these groups are unmolested. There are no peaceful antifa rallies unless the cops crack down hard.
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  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Actually the last three. They all have records of violence when they show up. I would not link all Trump supporters with them.
    If you don't count the times AntiFa causes the violence then you are left with just AntiFa.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by ThePaleoLibertarian View Post
    There would be no violence at Proud Boy or Patriot Prayer rallies were it not for antifa. That's what you seem to be incapable of grasping.
    He is perfectly capable of grasping it but he is paid to defend AntiFa and/or he is a member of AntiFa.
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    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by ThePaleoLibertarian View Post
    Sure, but that doesn't answer the question. Which element brings the violence in these cases? There have been Trump rallies, Proud Boy gatherings, Patriot Prayer groupings etc. that had no violence. The same cannot be said for antifa. Their entire purpose is to bring violence against anyone on the right. They don't even pretend to be peaceful.
    Here's the thing: the calvary isn't coming. This is going to fall on us. Look at ZIppy's posts, then go polish your rifle. Enough talk.

  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Actually the last three. They all have records of violence when they show up. I would not link all Trump supporters with them.

    https://www.wweek.com/news/2018/08/0...s-senate-race/



    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/...144139072.html
    lol Al Jazeera. The news organization funded by ultra-conservative Qatar that pushes progressivism, BLM and anti-Trump $#@! in the US. Anyway, even with that, these links just prove my point. The only time there's violence at these Proud Boy rallies is when antifa goes there and attacks them.
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  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Both sides should be condemned for their actions.
    Not really, but a liberal like you sees a peaceful gathering of those that want a redress, guaranteed by the first amendment as something to attack.

    Liberals like you protest all the time, no violent attack, hmmm.
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  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by ThePaleoLibertarian View Post
    There would be no violence at Proud Boy or Patriot Prayer rallies were it not for antifa. That's what you seem to be incapable of grasping. Antifa goes down to these gatherings to "bash the fash". They're totally open about it. There are peaceful rallies when these groups are unmolested. There are no peaceful antifa rallies unless the cops crack down hard.
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  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by ThePaleoLibertarian View Post
    You're dodging the question. And soon you'll disappear from the exchange.
    Prescient. I must be psychic
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  19. #46
    Where are all the supporters of jury nullification? After all, isn't this is precisely the kind of result to be expected if the jury is to be allowed to ignore the law given to them by the judge and acquit someone for whatever reason they choose? As the saying goes, be careful what you wish for -- you might get it.
    We have long had death and taxes as the two standards of inevitability. But there are those who believe that death is the preferable of the two. "At least," as one man said, "there's one advantage about death; it doesn't get worse every time Congress meets."
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  20. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by Sonny Tufts View Post
    Where are all the supporters of jury nullification? After all, isn't this is precisely the kind of result to be expected if the jury is to be allowed to ignore the law given to them by the judge and acquit someone for whatever reason they choose? As the saying goes, be careful what you wish for -- you might get it.
    You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

    This didn't go to trial. He plead guilty to a misdemeanor battery, had other charges dropped, 3 years probation and a fine. There wasn't a $#@!ing jury
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  21. #48
    Sets a dangerous precedent. He will be sued civilly and pay some serious bucks to the victim, but this sends a clear message that it's open season in Cali to assault with a deadly weapon.... if you have the preferred political affiliation.
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  23. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

    This didn't go to trial. He plead guilty to a misdemeanor battery, had other charges dropped, 3 years probation and a fine. There wasn't a $#@!ing jury
    You have a serious reading comprehension problem.

    The jury has found all five defendants not guilty of misdemeanor assault, and not guilty of assault causing great bodily injury, also a misdemeanor.
    https://www.berkeleyside.com/2018/06...rump-supporter
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  24. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

    This didn't go to trial. He plead guilty to a misdemeanor battery, had other charges dropped, 3 years probation and a fine. There wasn't a $#@!ing jury
    Quote Originally Posted by Sonny Tufts View Post
    You have a serious reading comprehension problem.
    The thread is talking about two different cases, one with a jury, one with a plea deal (no jury).
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  25. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    Not really, but a liberal like you sees a peaceful gathering of those that want a redress, guaranteed by the first amendment as something to attack.

    Liberals like you protest all the time, no violent attack, hmmm.
    You mean they are not attacked by counter protestors. There is often violence and destruction by these same antifa vandals (black bloc) with no opposition protesters present. Newspaper stands, McDonald’s, Starbuck’s, CVS, Whole Foods, and assorted large and small local businesses are some of their favorite targets.
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  26. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    You mean they are not attacked by counter protestors. There is often violence and destruction by these same antifa vandals (black bloc) with no opposition protesters present. Newspaper stands, McDonald’s, Starbuck’s, CVS, Whole Foods, and assorted large and small local businesses are some of their favorite targets.

    That’s what me meant.
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  27. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The thread is talking about two different cases, one with a jury, one with a plea deal (no jury).
    I'm talking about Eric Clanton... for clarity
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  28. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by Sonny Tufts View Post
    You have a serious reading comprehension problem.

    Well, look who shows up. The tax lawyer who is part of the ZippyJuan group, lock, stock & barrel. LOL!
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    which one of yall fuckers wrote the "ron paul" racist news letters
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  29. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    You should really be ashamed of yourself zip, you went from being at least seemingly relatively benign and possibly naive a decade ago to becoming a truly evil person through all of this.
    You know, I sort of see a parallel here. Conservative groups hold a rally, and antifa shows up to be disruptive and violent. I say that antifa is not some grass roots organization of yesteryear. They appear to be funded by high rollers.

    RPFers try to promote liberty and we get infiltrated by Zip and his Open Society Foundation high rollers. Some people here are fooled by the ZippyJuan Group's superficial politeness, but that is naivete at it's worst. They are shrewd, organized, and downright nasty.













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    which one of yall fuckers wrote the "ron paul" racist news letters
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