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Thread: Court Ruling: HPV Vaccine Gardasil KILLS

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    Court Ruling: HPV Vaccine Gardasil KILLS

    http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-new...kills_04302018

    Mac Slavo
    April 30th, 2018
    SHTFplan.com

    The Tarsell’s 21-year-old daughter Christina Richelle “died from an arrhythmia induced by an autoimmune response” to Gardasil, an HPV vaccine that she received only days before her death. Her family undertook a long and drawn out battle with the government over her death, only for every parents’ worst fears to be confirmed.

    The Tarsell family fought against the United States government eight long years to validate a medical burden of proof that the Gardasil vaccine (often declared the “cervical cancer vaccine”) killed their daughter. Richelle died just days after receiving the vaccine. Will this vaccine kill everyone? Absolutely not. But the government should not be hiding the risks, which obviously include death, especially when demanding by law this vaccine be administered.

    The final ruling has been confirmed by the Department of Health and Human Services: Merck’s Gardasil vaccine causes autoimmune problems that cause sudden debilitation and/or death. If the young girl had been gunned down by a madman with an AR-15, then there’d be national headlines and a march on Washington. Since this young woman was “shot” to death by a vaccine, the whole story gets swept under the rug. -Natural News

    Hopefully, with the help of other websites such as Natural News, awareness about the side effects of vaccines, which include death, should be made public. Although the mainstream media cannot be bothered to report on the failure of vaccines, it is important that all the information be made available before having anything injected into yourself or your children.

    The Gardasil vaccine is responsible for ending the lives of 271 young women to date, according to over 57,520 adverse event reports obtained from the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System. As stated by Natural News, if 271 young people died in a school shooting, the news coverage would be nonstop in support of gun bans. How about a ban on Gardasil – a real modern day assault weapon?

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    I am so glad a light is being shined on this atrocity. What an absolute shame the trauma this girl and her family went through.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-new...kills_04302018



    The illusion of perfect safety creates a lack of accountability.
    There is no illusion of perfect safety in anything, but there is plenty of evidence to support that getting HPV is more dangerous than getting the vaccine. And there is no evidence that this vaccine caused the death, which is why you're citing a $#@! click bait site and not anything backed my medical evidence.

    This quote appears nowhere in any medical-related finding, but it's nice how they italicized it to make it appear that it did.

    The final ruling has been confirmed by the Department of Health and Human Services: Merck’s Gardasil vaccine causes autoimmune problems that cause sudden debilitation and/or death. If the young girl had been gunned down by a madman with an AR-15, then there’d be national headlines and a march on Washington. Since this young woman was “shot” to death by a vaccine, the whole story gets swept under the rug.
    Correlation does not equal causation. It's ludicrous that she had a reaction days after the shot, and that's what killed her. I hate you people that troll this nonsensical bull$#@! here.

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    Flashback:

    Lead Developer of HPV Vaccines Comes Clean, Warns Parents & Young Girls It's All a Giant Deadly Scam
    https://circleofdocs.com/lead-develo...deadly-scam-2/
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    It gets worse.

    She had 2 shots with no side effects. She then had the 3rd shot. 2 weeks after that, she started getting tired, dizzy and a rash. She was found dead 18 days later.

    The horrible people that run the anti-vax sites are exploiting her death. You represent absolutely the worst of the internet.

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    Thread: Court Ruling: HPV Vaccine Gardasil KILLS
    Anti-vaxxers are evil
    Not as evil as killing people. Thanks for the -rep, from you it is a badge of honor. I think it is evil to push unnecessary medical procedures on people.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Not as evil as killing people. Thanks for the -rep, from you it is a badge of honor. I think it is evil to push unnecessary medical procedures on people.
    +Rep
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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Not as evil as killing people. Thanks for the -rep, from you it is a badge of honor. I think it is evil to push unnecessary medical procedures on people.
    .

    You're the one advocating for killing people here.

    It's really not hard - Diseases kill children, vaccines prevent diseases. There is no evidence to support the never-ending anti-vax drivel that vaccines are somehow more dangerous than the diseases they prevent, while there are mountains of evidence to prove that vaccines save lives.

    These are political forums - this trash doesn't belong here regardless.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    +Rep
    Thank you.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    .

    You're the one advocating for killing people here.

    It's really not hard - Diseases kill children, vaccines prevent diseases. There is no evidence to support the never-ending anti-vax drivel that vaccines are somehow more dangerous than the diseases they prevent, while there are mountains of evidence to prove that vaccines save lives.

    These are political forums - this trash doesn't belong here regardless.
    The mountain of so-called evidence comes from those who have a stake in the game. The medical tyranny is part of the political system or haven't you been paying attention?
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    The mountain of so-called evidence comes from those who have a stake in the game. ?
    LIke the anti-vaxxers aren't in it for the money......

    Only you find it shocking that people who sell medicine would be able back up their products with evidence.

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    The only vaccine for sexually transmitted diseases is morality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    .

    You're the one advocating for killing people here.

    It's really not hard - Diseases kill children, vaccines prevent diseases. There is no evidence to support the never-ending anti-vax drivel that vaccines are somehow more dangerous than the diseases they prevent, while there are mountains of evidence to prove that vaccines save lives.

    These are political forums - this trash doesn't belong here regardless.
    We can only wish there were no politics in the medical industry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    LIke the anti-vaxxers aren't in it for the money......

    Only you find it shocking that people who sell medicine would be able back up their products with evidence.
    Oh yeah the people against vaccines are billionaires like Bill Gates.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    The only vaccine for sexually transmitted diseases is morality.
    Since when do Libertarians preach morality?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    We can only wish there were no politics in the medical industry.
    Exactly.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner



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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Oh yeah the people against vaccines are billionaires like Bill Gates.
    The people who are against vaccines are either bone stupid or looking to exploit for profit the irrational fears of people who are bone stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Since when do Libertarians preach morality?
    There's plenty of small "L" libertarians that practice good morals. Most I hang with have a job, a home and a family. For most of them the kids have already flown the nest. I've met the kids and their raising families now. Not all Libertarians want to strip at the national convention. Most all the ones I knew were for Ron Paul way back in the day. And Rand Paul recently. Most all have simply tuned out most recently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    The people who are against vaccines are either bone stupid or looking to exploit for profit the irrational fears of people who are bone stupid.
    That sounds like a Hillary Clinton remark. You seriously underestimate people who think outside the box.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    There's plenty of small "L" libertarians that practice good morals. Most I hang with have a job, a home and a family. For most of them the kids have already flown the nest. I've met the kids and their raising families now. Not all Libertarians want to strip at the national convention. Most all the ones I knew were for Ron Paul way back in the day. And Rand Paul recently. Most all have simply tuned out most recently.
    Of course. But that's a far cry from implying that people who have sex out of wedlock deserve to get cancer when there's a vaccine available that will help prevent that cancer.

    Treating the cancer would almost certainly be more lucrative to the medical industry than the vaccine, but common sense isn't in play here.

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    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Of course. But that's a far cry from implying that people who have sex out of wedlock deserve to get cancer when there's a vaccine available that will help prevent that cancer.

    Treating the cancer would almost certainly be more lucrative to the medical industry than the vaccine, but common sense isn't in play here.
    I'm not really into vaccines that allow people to be immoral. It's kinda like Christianity. Do what the $#@! you want, and do what you want to $#@!, Mon. thru Sat. But come on in on Sun. and we'll wash that $#@! off. Certainly, if they choose to buy the product they should be able to. But, 25 states or more MANDATED it.
    If you don't think that is $#@!ed up, then I don't know what else to say. Both Ron and Rand Paul advocate parental discretion.
    They way you phrased your post sounds progressive.

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    This reminds me of another post (by Donnay) about the teenager Jasmin Soriat from Vienna, who died after being poisoned with the HPV vaccine: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post6532221

    Johan Missliwetz was ordered by the court to perform a second autopsy on Soriat’s body, and concluded that the HPV vaccine could have been the cause of death. After Missliwetz reported his results to the drug regulation authorities, he received many calls from “senior members of the medical establishment”. They attempted to “intervene” and many professors asked him to stop talking about vaccination tests. Missliwetz has subsequently taken an “early retirement”.

    The Independent published an article about 131 young women who suffered HPV vaccine injuries. Another 18 young women came forward only a week later.

    According to Bernard Dalbergue, who worked directly with Gardasil’s manufacturer, Merck:
    I predict that Gardasil will become the greatest medical scandal of all time because at some point in time, the evidence will add up to prove that this vaccine, technical and scientific feat that it may be, has absolutely no effect on cervical cancer and that all the very many adverse effects which destroy lives and even kill, serve no other purpose than to generate profit for the manufacturers. Gardasil is useless and costs a fortune!
    In addition, decision-makers at all levels are aware of it! Cases of Guillain-Barré syndrome, paralysis of the lower limbs, vaccine-induced MS and vaccine-induced encephalitis can be found, whatever the vaccine.
    Dianne Harper is one of the very few specialists on HPV in the world; she explained:
    the benefit to public health is nothing, there is no reduction in cervical cancers, they are just postponed, unless the protection lasts for at least 15 years, and over 70% of all sexually active females of all ages are vaccinated.
    According to Christian Fiala:
    No-one has shown that the HPV vaccine actually reduces the rate of cervical cancer.
    As long as we have no proof that cervical cancer is caused by HPV, it is fundamentally useless to vaccinate against HPV because the chances are the cancer will occur whether there is HPV or not.
    Peter Duesberg, who was once a highly respected biochemist, before he became ridiculed for his views on HIV/AIDS, takes this a step further:
    The [HPV] vaccine should be stopped until it’s proved that it protects against cancer… It has the highest number of side-effects ever of any vaccine.
    In the US, it has more side-effects reported than all other vaccines combined. Since there is no scientific evidence that it will do anything else than occasionally cause warts, which will be eliminated by the immune system, there is no need for vaccination against this virus.
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    This case also went before a judge. Some facts from the case. https://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/sites...SELL033012.pdf

    1) this was her third dose of the vaccine. No problems reported with the first two.

    2) She had been diagnosed as having heart problems previously. Her described symptoms of tiredness, dizziness and faintness fit that.

    On November 20, 2007, Christina saw a doctor for chronic sinus congestion. The doctor detected an irregular pulse rate. Exhibit 4 at 136. An EKG was abnormal, indicating premature atrial contractions and that Christina’s heart was beating in pairs. Id. at 142. Approximately one month later, the EKG was repeated. It appear unchanged from the previous one.
    She had reported similar symptoms before she had her first vaccination.

    In May 2004, Christina saw Renee Howard, her pediatrician, who completed a form for 16-19 year olds. Dr. Howard noted Christina was a well adolescent but who also had experienced fatigue and gained weight
    She was also treated for thyroid issues.

    Dr. Howard ordered lab tests to check on Christina’s thyroid level. Exhibit 1 at 14. After a few months of tests (see exhibit 1 at 58-59), the doctor placed Christina on Synthroid on September 20, 2004. Exhibit 1 at 13.

    Christina appears to have taken Synthroid for a few months. See Tr. 240
    (Dr. Shoenfeld: Christina was on Synthroid “for a short time”). On February 2, 2005, Christina reported that she had been off Synthroid for 5-6 weeks. Exhibit 1 at 9. The ensuing labs showed that Christina’s T4 was on the low end of normal. Exhibit 1 at 53. Laboratory work from June 2005 showed that Christina’s TSH was normal. Exhibit 1 at 50. Approximately one year later, Christina’s TSH remained normal. Id. at 48.

    From this information, Dr. Shoenfeld opined that Christina had an autoimmune thyroid disease such as Hashimoto thyroiditis
    Tr. 240-41 (discussing hypothyroidism, characterized by counsel as Hashimoto). He also predicted that if Christina had lived, she would have required more Synthroid. Tr. 241. Dr. Shoenfeld also asserted that because Christina had one autoimmune disease, she was predisposed to suffering another autoimmune disease
    So she had a couple of pre-existing conditions.

    3) Her symptoms were reported a couple weeks after the vaccine (given June 3, 2008)- not shortly afterwards- according to her medical records. She died nearly three weeks after the vaccine (June 23rd).

    No complaints were filed until two years after she died (April, 2010).

    From the court ruling:

    Conclusion
    Christina’s death at such a young age was tragic and Ms. Tarsell deserves much sympathy. The fact that so little is known about Christina’s health before her death makes understanding her death even more difficult.

    Yet, in this litigation, to support her factual assertions, Ms. Tarsell bears the burden of presenting evidence. In evaluating the record, I have tried to give Ms. Tarsell the benefit of every reasonable inference. However, inferences must ultimately rest on some fact. See Star Scientific, Inc. v. R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Co., 537 F.3d 1357, 1368 (Fed. Cir. 2008) (stating “no inference can be drawn if there is no evidence, direct or indirect, that can support the inference.”), on appeal after remand, 655 F.3d 1364 (Fed. Cir. 2011). Here, there are simply insufficient facts to support many of Ms. Tarsell’s allegations.
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    Who and What Killed Christina Tarsell?
    … #NotOneMore

    By James Lyons-Weiler, CEO, President of the Institute for Pure and Applied Knowledge and World Mercury Project Guest Contributor


    IMAGINE you want the very best for your only child, your daughter. You want her to thrive, finish college, start a family. You’re looking forward to seeing her become a mom and learn the things you hoped you have taught her.

    You’re told that there is a simple, safe and effective vaccine that can “prevent cervical cancer”. So, as her parent, you want to protect her from any possible harm from exposure to the HPV virus. You are told that vaccine is safe and effective. You are told there are virtually no risks. Together, you decide yes, this is straightforward, and why not? Who doesn’t want to protect their child from cancer?

    Your lively and bright daughter is given the vaccine, and she is told she is ‘protected from HPV’.

    What you don’t know, because you are not told, is:

    The vaccine is experimental, and she is being enrolled (without consent) in a post-marketing long-term safety trial;
    You don’t know that the HPV vaccine cannot protect anyone from “HPV”, because other, rarer types are circulating, and your daughter is still at risk of contracting “HPV”, just at lower risk of contracting the four types (or now, nine types) targeted by the vaccine.

    You also don’t know that during the clinical trials conducted on the HPV vaccine, any new serious medical conditions that were determined by the vaccine developer to not be due to the vaccine were filed into “New Medical Files”, and not included in the analysis of rates of adverse events (even though the purpose of the study was to find any new adverse events).

    Worst of all, what you don’t know is that the vaccine has never been demonstrated to protect against HPV-related cancer, or to reduce cancer rates. The vaccine has been shown to reduce abnormal cervical lesions (CIN) rates due to vaccine-targeted types, but it will take years to decades to determine if the rarer, non-vaccine targeted types lead to an INCREASE in cancer rates.

    Your daughter has a very serious reaction: she develops an arrhythmia, a serious heart condition, and dies.

    This scenario is similar to what happened to Christina Tarsell, whose mom Emily led the fight for eight years in the adversarial National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (NVICP).

    The website “Gardasil and Unexplained Deaths” contains more specific information, and links to the rulings.

    While Christina’s death finally has a semblance of justice, the fight for truth continues for the rest of American citizens struggling with the question of whether to give their children HPV vaccination.

    State after state has rejected mandatory HPV vaccination for 11- and 12-year olds. Japan no longer recommends the vaccine for their population—at all. There is insufficient study on the safety of vaccine for boys, who appear to be at higher risk of serious adverse events.

    It’s not just Emily and her family who lost Christina. Our society was denied Christina, just as we were denied Colton Barrett. Both of their deaths were unjustifiable—and preventable.

    With the President of the Michigan Chapter of the AAP testifying under oath that she is not an expert in vaccines, (and she relies on the CDC website for her information), trust in the medical community to be forthright about vaccine risk is at an all-time low. CDC is under fire for fraud conducted during the studies on the vaccine/autism link.

    Merck, the manufacturer of Gardasil, is currently in court over charges that they fudged the data on how well the mumps portion of their Measles, Mumps and Rubella (MMR) vaccine works. The two whistleblowers allege that they were told to spike human samples with rabbit antibodies to make the vaccine appear to be >90% efficacious against the vaccine-targeted mumps type, while in reality they allege it to be only 18% effective.

    We Deserve to Know
    The American public deserves to know whom- and what- killed Christina Tarsell—and they need to know the shoddy state of vaccine “science”. The scientists at Merck who hid the adverse events in the pre-licensure safety studies killed Christina Tarsell. The doctors who tell their patients they will be protected “against HPV” killed Christina Tarsell. The doctors who tell their patients that the HPV vaccine can “prevent cancer” killed Christina Tarsell. The media who take advertising revenue from Pharma and who are afraid to conduct bona fide investigative journalism and report on the realities of the combined myths and falsehoods about HPV vaccine safety and efficacy killed young Christina Tarsell at the tender age of 21 years.

    Doctors who know that vaccines are injuring and killing some patients who participate in vaccine risk denialism out of fear of loss of their jobs, or being sanctioned by the AAP, the AMA, or their practice, are cowards, and need to step up and speak their conscience.

    If you’re an MD who lives in fear, there is a safe organization where you can learn how to navigate the water safely. Join Physicians for Informed Consent.

    To help Emily and her family create a legacy in Christina’s name, send a donation to the

    Christina R. Tarsell Charitable Fund
    PNC Bank
    201 Mt. Carmel Road
    Parkton, MD 21120.

    But the very BEST thing you can do is to join an increasing number of MDs willing to speak out against the HPV vaccine. Clearly some patients are at higher risk than others—but there are no safeguards. The rates of autoimmune disorders and “-algia’s” are skyrocketing. What you do not know, MDs, is that researchers routinely induce autoimmune disorders in animals using injected forms of aluminum. Why? To find treatments that will reverse the autoimmunity.

    Vaccine risk denialism has come at a massive cost to society, and immeasurable cost to families like Christina’s family. To say that there is insufficient honesty in the practice of immunization on risk is an understatement. There are no biomarkers—yet—that indicate who is at highest risk. There are not systematic programs focused on post-vaccination injury treatment to prevent progression and death.

    To any cruel and sick individual who would try to deny that Chris’ death was caused by the HPV vaccine, note that the government lost at trial. Based on the evidence, the NVICP conceded that Chris’s family met the burden of proof that Gardasil caused her death.

    You can listen to Emily tell Christina’s full story to the Vaxxed Team.

    #HPVvaxkilledChristina
    https://worldmercuryproject.org/news...ll-notonemore/
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    In any case government should neither promote or require vaccines. No tax dollars should ever be spent for them. If people want to buy vaccines they can pay for them on their own.
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  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    .

    It's really not hard - Diseases kill children, vaccines prevent diseases. .
    That's the Sales Pitch.

    and when all the uninsured drivers are off the road the price of insurance will come down.

    So Mandatory Insurance.. by Law. (is the result)
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    https://www.activistpost.com/2018/04...rt-ruling.html

    Hopefully it cracked the door and other cases can be heard.

    but I would neither hope nor trust in these people.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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  33. #29
    1. Lawyers aren't MDs, so the court ruing doesn't "prove" anything.

    2. The decision clearly stated that there was no medical evidence to support the ruling.

    But facts are something anti-vaxxers don't believe in, hence the headline.

  34. #30
    Quoting charletons again. Everybody, except that guy, agreed that her heart condition pre-dated the vaccine. He is literally lying, and here you are - not only lapping it up but regurgitating it without question, intentionally poisoning the baby birds that blindly follow you.

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