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    Exclamation H.R.4980: Permanent No-Fly Grounding For Unvaccinated

    August 2021


    H. R. 4980
    To direct the Secretary of Homeland Security to ensure that any individual traveling on a flight that departs from or arrives to an airport inside the United States or a territory of the United States is fully vaccinated against COVID–19, and for other purposes.

    IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
    August 6, 2021
    Mr. Torres of New York introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Homeland Security

    A BILL
    To direct the Secretary of Homeland Security to ensure that any individual traveling on a flight that departs from or arrives to an airport inside the United States or a territory of the United States is fully vaccinated against COVID–19, and for other purposes.

    Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

    SECTION 1. AIR TRANSPORTATION VACCINATION REQUIREMENT.
    (a) In General.—The Secretary of Homeland Security, acting through the Administrator of the Transportation Security Administration, shall take such actions as are necessary to ensure that any individual traveling on a flight that departs from or arrives to an airport inside the United States or a territory of the United States is fully vaccinated against COVID–19.

    (b) Exception.—In carrying out subsection (a), the Secretary shall ensure there is an exception to the requirement described in such subsection for an individual who is ineligible or medically unable to be fully vaccinated against COVID–19.

    (c) Definition.—In this Act, the term “fully vaccinated against COVID–19” means receiving all recommended doses of a COVID–19 vaccine that is licensed under section 351 of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S.C. 262) or authorized for emergency use under section 564 of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (21 U.S.C. 360bbb–3).


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    (c) Definition.—In this Act, the term “fully vaccinated against COVID–19” means receiving all recommended doses of a COVID–19 vaccine that is licensed under section 351 of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S.C. 262) or authorized for emergency use under section 564 of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (21 U.S.C. 360bbb–3).
    Fully vaccinated will mean getting a booster every few months.
    ...

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    Such a statute would prove difficult to defend from Constitutional scrutiny. Living Americans are still guaranteed freedom of movement/travel across the land mass, using the common carrier methods of the time. Passing a statute declaring that only jabbed can freely travel by a common carrier method would rely on a very twisted reading of the (already very twisted) Commerce Clause, which gives the feds authority to regulate interstate commerce. That's not the original intent of the Commerce Clause but that's for another thread. Using the Commerce Clause, it would have to recognize living Americans as "goods" being transported across state lines. Only the jabbed can be recognized as "goods", since they become patented property via genetic alteration (GMOs like Monsanto corn, instead of living Americans), therefore only the jabbed could be regulated via the Commerce Clause and their travel restricted by statute accordingly. Unjabbed still retain Constitutional right to travel.

    I doubt it's anything more than a threat to get more people to turn themselves into Monsanto corn, legally speaking. That's not to say that an airline couldn't implement a policy, just that the legislation would be difficult to defend Constitutionally.
    Last edited by devil21; 08-23-2021 at 10:08 AM.
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    It needs to die a Fiery death.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Won't pass the senate, the GOP has the votes to kill it for now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    Won't pass the senate, the GOP has the votes to kill it for now.
    I will put that in the "Never could happen in America" file.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparebulb View Post
    I will put that in the "Never could happen in America" file.
    I wasn't really planning on Flying,, but they want to restrict ALL Travel.

    I expect it to meet resistance.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    I wasn't really planning on Flying,, but they want to restrict ALL Travel.

    I expect it to meet resistance.

    Just a few more jail cells will help the prison industrial complex - without drawing much attention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sparebulb View Post
    I will put that in the "Never could happen in America" file.
    Never say never. Just won't happen quite yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Just a few more jail cells will help the prison industrial complex - without drawing much attention.
    What Spike Cohen said
    https://www.facebook.com/LiterallySp...81190386963316
    Spike Cohen
    August 21 at 9:39 PM ·
    This is the scene of an anti-lockdown protest in Melbourne, Australia, where protesters were easily able to break through police barricades and roam freely about the city.
    It is also a reminder that "government power" isnt real.
    The government makes up less than 1% of the population.
    If even 5% of us simply refuse to comply, government will be hopelessly outnumbered.
    If 10+% refuse, they'll stop even trying to enforce it.
    You're looking at a fraction of 1% of the population here, and government is no match for them.
    Imagine if 100x as many just decided not to obey.
    This is how freedom happens.
    It applies to small jails as well.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    What Spike Cohen said
    https://www.facebook.com/LiterallySp...81190386963316


    It applies to small jails as well.
    Portland is an interesting example. Antifa does whatever they want. The police aren't even interfering the battles between antifa and Proud Boys at this point.

    I don't think Portland police are going to put themselves in danger for politicians or the public.
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    I say just ground everyone . These airlines all suck and need driven out of business as it is.
    Do something Danke

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    Ironic grounding no fly list for Unvaccinated? but these mRNA vaxs dont stop you from getting infected as vaxed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    Portland is an interesting example. Antifa does whatever they want. The police aren't even interfering the battles between antifa and Proud Boys at this point.

    I don't think Portland police are going to put themselves in danger for politicians or the public.
    Been ongoing..

    Proud Boys seem to be a response to the violence of antifa for years...

    and on several occasions the Police have pushed violent groups together with peaceful protests...

    The Proud Boys seemed a active response to that.

    from my Observations,,
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngryCanadian View Post
    Ironic grounding no fly list for Unvaccinated? but these mRNA vaxs dont stop you from getting infected as vaxed.
    Irony or Hypocrisy?
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Such a statute would prove difficult to defend from Constitutional scrutiny. Living Americans are still guaranteed freedom of movement/travel across the land mass, using the common carrier methods of the time. Passing a statute declaring that only jabbed can freely travel by a common carrier method would rely on a very twisted reading of the (already very twisted) Commerce Clause, which gives the feds authority to regulate interstate commerce. That's not the original intent of the Commerce Clause but that's for another thread. Using the Commerce Clause, it would have to recognize living Americans as "goods" being transported across state lines. Only the jabbed can be recognized as "goods", since they become patented property via genetic alteration (GMOs like Monsanto corn, instead of living Americans), therefore only the jabbed could be regulated via the Commerce Clause and their travel restricted by statute accordingly. Unjabbed still retain Constitutional right to travel.

    I doubt it's anything more than a threat to get more people to turn themselves into Monsanto corn, legally speaking. That's not to say that an airline couldn't implement a policy, just that the legislation would be difficult to defend Constitutionally.
    Ummm...tell me how that "right to travel" undid the rapescan "mandates" at the airport?
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    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
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    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.



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    Quote Originally Posted by AngryCanadian View Post
    Ironic grounding no fly list for Unvaccinated? but these mRNA vaxs dont stop you from getting infected as vaxed.
    Nor do they stop you from spreading the disease. Nor do they prevent you from being hospitalized. Nor do they work at all after 6 months. Nor...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Nor do they stop you from spreading the disease. Nor do they prevent you from being hospitalized. Nor do they work at all after 6 months. Nor...
    Ron has said, Walls are to keep people in, not out. This is yet another method. As is a $10,000 cash limit on your person, among many other things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Ummm...tell me how that "right to travel" undid the rapescan "mandates" at the airport?
    What do you mean? No one has ever been required to go through the scanners as a condition of flying. Yes, they made it inconvenient to opt-out for the pat down and manual search but the option has always been there if you demand it, at least in my fairly limited flying experience. Also the creation of various programs like Pre-Chek avoids the scanners iirc. They are very careful to ensure alternatives are implemented/offered in pretty much all things government-regulated to avoid flatly unconstitutional practices. It may not seem that way and the alternatives may not be widely advertised but they are always there.
    Last edited by devil21; 08-23-2021 at 03:14 PM.
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    Last edited by devil21; 08-23-2021 at 03:13 PM.
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    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

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    I can't tell if you are trolling or being serious. Yes you can opt out of the rape scan machines by agreeing to be raped directly. Or you can do a pre-scan and have your privacy raped.
    That does not mean that all that is somehow magically constitutional. Same thing will happen with the vaccines. People will be able to opt out if they agreed to a painful nose swab each time. Or they'll come up with something else that's equally ridiculous. Maybe it will be an anal swab. But because there is some alternative to the vaccine some people will make the same argument that you're making that it somehow magically constitutional. It's not. [
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    What do you mean? No one has ever been required to go through the scanners as a condition of flying. Yes, they made it inconvenient to opt-out for the pat down and manual search but the option has always been there if you demand it, at least in my fairly limited flying experience. Also the creation of various programs like Pre-Chek avoids the scanners iirc. They are very careful to ensure alternatives are implemented/offered in pretty much all things government-regulated to avoid flatly unconstitutional practices. It may not seem that way and the alternatives may not be widely advertised but they are always there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    What do you mean? No one has ever been required to go through the scanners as a condition of flying ... at least in my fairly limited flying experience....
    I've flown a ton since the porno-scanner was introduced (Gold status on American). Never been in one.

    I once "opted out" in Moscow on a return flight to the US. I don't know if they allow opt-outs, but my thought was, "what are they going to do, deport me?" The guy spoke no English, looked around, gave me the least thorough pat-down ever, and I was headed to my gate. No porno scanner, no metal detector, and guess what, I didn't blow up the plane.

    I signed up for the pre-check protection racket when that became available, and although I'll probably never fly commercial again, I just renewed my protection racket membership just in case. It's a PITA with the alternatives, but no, domestically, no one has to go through the porno scanner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    I can't tell if you are trolling or being serious. Yes you can opt out of the rape scan machines by agreeing to be raped directly. Or you can do a pre-scan and have your privacy raped.
    That does not mean that all that is somehow magically constitutional. Same thing will happen with the vaccines. People will be able to opt out if they agreed to a painful nose swab each time. Or they'll come up with something else that's equally ridiculous. Maybe it will be an anal swab. But because there is some alternative to the vaccine some people will make the same argument that you're making that it somehow magically constitutional. It's not. [
    We can get into the weeds about how constitutional any particular airport/travel security measure is but I addressed your point.
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    Good thing I'm connected with the mafia. We have our ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    We can get into the weeds about how constitutional any particular airport/travel security measure is but I addressed your point.
    I'm sure you think you did. And years from now someone will "explain" why H.R.4980 "isn't really that bad and isn't unconstitutional" because...reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cjm View Post
    I've flown a ton since the porno-scanner was introduced (Gold status on American). Never been in one.

    I once "opted out" in Moscow on a return flight to the US. I don't know if they allow opt-outs, but my thought was, "what are they going to do, deport me?" The guy spoke no English, looked around, gave me the least thorough pat-down ever, and I was headed to my gate. No porno scanner, no metal detector, and guess what, I didn't blow up the plane.

    I signed up for the pre-check protection racket when that became available, and although I'll probably never fly commercial again, I just renewed my protection racket membership just in case. It's a PITA with the alternatives, but no, domestically, no one has to go through the porno scanner.
    Did it ever occur to you that getting you to sign up for the trusted traveller program was the plan all along? "Oh goody! I circumvented the system....by giving them exactly what they wanted." In 2000 if someone said "In the future you want be able to fly unless you do a biometric idea scan each time....or subject yourself to two equally bad or worse alternatives", most people would have said "That can't happen because muh constitutional riots."
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    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    I'm sure you think you did. And years from now someone will "explain" why H.R.4980 "isn't really that bad and isn't unconstitutional" because...reasons.
    Look, you said we can't avoid the nudie scanners. You were wrong. It's ok. As long as the Bill of Rights is still there, an alternative must always be available and it will be. The only question is whether an individual is smart enough to figure it out. Perhaps it could be said that rights are reserved only for those smart enough to remember them and smart enough to figure out how to exercise them, amongst the current sea of morons. I like a challenge but ymmv.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Look, you said we can't avoid the nudie scanners. You were wrong. It's ok. As long as the Bill of Rights is still there, an alternative must always be available and it will be. The only question is whether an individual is smart enough to figure it out. Perhaps it could be said that rights are reserved only for those smart enough to remember them and smart enough to figure out how to exercise them, amongst the current sea of morons. I like a challenge but ymmv.
    Just before you posted that, I was thinking, even among the so-called liberty crowd, and even "republicans", how the Bill of Rights is simply chucked to the side as a matter of convenience, [and blah blah blah reasons]. And yet those same folks gripe about injustices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Look, you said we can't avoid the nudie scanners. You were wrong. It's ok. As long as the Bill of Rights is still there, an alternative must always be available and it will be. The only question is whether an individual is smart enough to figure it out. Perhaps it could be said that rights are reserved only for those smart enough to remember them and smart enough to figure out how to exercise them, amongst the current sea of morons. I like a challenge but ymmv.
    LOL. Excuse me. You can't avoid the nudie scanner if you don't mind being physically raped or having your fingerprints scanned every time you travel. Seriously dude...that...that's your argument? Okay. I was "wrong" about the nudie scanner. BUT YOU ARE WRONG AS HELL ABOUT THE BILL OF RIGHTS! Nothing in the Bill Of Rights suggests that as long as you are given some choice about how your rights are violated that they are somehow not violated. Right to a trial by jury? Well you can either plead guilty or face a military tribunal. There you go. You have an "alternative" so your "rights" were not violated. The right to travel isn't even listed in the Bill Of Rights. That's why there is a 9th and 10th amendment. A refresher for you.

    [Ninth Amendment] The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

    [Tenth Amendment] The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.


    Back to the actual subject at hand. I'm sure there will be "alternatives" and "exceptions" to H.R.4980, but they will be so bad that most people will be like "I might as well just take the damn vaccine." They didn't do "alternatives" because to the rapescans because they thought that was what was needed to pass constitutional muster. They did the alternatives because they knew gullible people would say to themselves "This isn't so bad...because I have alternatives."
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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