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    Face Burqa Signage and Property Rights

    https://www.ericpetersautos.com/2021...operty-rights/

    By eric - May 4, 2021

    Do signs have rights?

    More precisely, are we bound by r espect for the property rights of store owners as supposedly expressed by signs that state it is “store policy” for patrons to wear a Facial Burqua as a condition of entry?

    A number of prominent conservatives – and libertarians – have made the mistake of saying we are bound.

    They miss the supposedly part.

    It is the part that makes the assertion – supposedly – of property rights a red herring. A false argument.

    For two reasons. They are: government and duress – essentially the same thing.

    Face Burqa signs didn’t just spring up organically, the fruit of individual business owners freely deciding to require them. They sprang up almost all at once when business owners were forced to put them up as a condition of being allowed to remain open by the government, with additional coercion applied by corporations, which are creatures of the government. These corporations got together to decree the same “policy” at all their stores – thereby serving as adjuncts of the government.

    Remember?

    It’s very much of a piece with stores in Germany in the ’30s being expected – or else – to display the swastika banner and ban Jews – the “bacillus” – from entry. Certainly some did so willingly. But the point is it was almost impossible for others to not do so – else face the destruction of their businesses. The loss of their ability to feed and care for themselves – and their families.

    It is a hard choice – but not a freely made one.

    The government also applied force in other, more subtle ways – as by social pressure via the calculated, deliberate fomenting of mass hysteria; i.e., by using the threat of a population driven out of its mind by fear to get those Burqas on. Business owners understood that not going along with it meant the possibility of civilian reprisals – as in Germany, in the ’30s.

    And indeed, the same basic thing happened. All it took was one anonymous call to the local Gesundheitsfuhrer’s office to have government sicced on a business that didn’t “mask” up.

    Of course, by bowing to the threats, these businesses became complicit in the evil.

    Perhaps understandably, in Sophie’s Choice kind of way – but that doesn’t change the fact of it. Their complicity further erodes any claim to the moral high ground – and our supposed obligation to obey – because no one is obligated to respect the “rights” of force.

    Especially when it furthers an evil lie.

    This is very important.

    Face Burqa’ing is not a simple matter of etiquette, as in “no shirt, no shoes – no service” – the argument offered up by many conservatives and even some libertarians in defense of Face Burqa signage.

    The signage propagates evil, seeks to coerce general complicity with it – as by placing a person who needs food – or his job – to show his affirmation with something he disagrees with by the forced wearing of it. And by forcing everyone to wear it, to make everyone complicit; to create a monstrous lie that it appears everyone agrees with it.

    This of course strengthens the lie – and makes it harder for that reason to deny it, to reduce the harm it causes.

    Another evil.

    Being asked to respect a sign asking that you respect store policy to wear a shirt and shoes is not an assault upon anyone’s rights.

    A sign demanding that you wear Satan Shoes – or a shirt that says you regard Satan as Number One – is a violation of everyone’s rights, particularly when it is . . . everywhere. Because of government – not the bizarre policy of a single (or even several) store owners, freely taken – without any threats of force emanating from the government for not posting such signage.

    Another interesting aspect worth discussing is that government force – whether in the form of direct threats or in the form of indirect but no less threatening fomenting of mass hysteria – makes it essentially impossible to even know what the store owner’s freely taken decision would have been, in the absence of all these threats.

    We know that before such threats manifested, many businesses did not post such signs.

    It is perfectly reasonable to assume that many business owners despise the signs as much as we do, but post them for the same reason that a prisoner will “talk” when presented with the rubber hose.

    Which, incidentally, is why testimony obtained via torture is considered unreliable (as well as illegitimate). A person facing the rubber hose – or the water board – will say anything to avoid the rubber hose or the water board. It is probable he would have said a very different thing – or nothing at all – had he been free to do so.

    It is also why we usually feel some pity – some understanding – for the prisoner who was forced to shoot other prisoners or be shot himself.

    It is even more important that this error about “property rights” be understood now that the signage is being changed. The new lettering will say than it is the policy of this business to only do business with – to only employ – those who have received “their” shot.

    Once again, the perversion of a right into its opposite. “Their” shot implies property rights – in reverse.

    Their true right to not have their actual property – themselves – violated by “their” (in actuality, the government’s) shot. Enforced by the threats, applied to privately owned businesses by the government – and by corporations that are the creatures of the government.

    No one is obliged to have any respect for such signage.

    Because of the government force behind it.
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    Eh. Don't worry. Eventually all of the face mask signs will go down....and the vaccine passport signs will go up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Eh. Don't worry. Eventually all of the face mask signs will go down....and the vaccine passport signs will go up.
    Sadly, that is what the majority of the people want, at least in my area, bordering PA and Ohio. I can’t tell you how many times I am belittled, called names, flipped the finger, for not wearing a compliance mask out in public.
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    Being asked to respect a sign asking that you respect store policy to wear a shirt and shoes is not an assault upon anyone’s rights.

    A sign demanding that you wear Satan Shoes – or a shirt that says you regard Satan as Number One – is a violation of everyone’s rights, particularly when it is . . . everywhere. Because of government – not the bizarre policy of a single (or even several) store owners, freely taken – without any threats of force emanating from the government for not posting such signage.

    [...]

    No one is obliged to have any respect for such signage.

    Because of the government force behind it.
    So what does this mean in actual practice?

    That is, what is one permitted to actually do with respect to a private business that hosts and enforces such signage?

    Is one who refuses to comply with the signage entitled to force a business to provide its goods or services anyway?

    By the logic of Eric's argument, it must be that the answer to this question is "yes" - because, by reductio ad absurdum, if one is not so entitled, then it cannot be the case that the signage (and the enforcement of the policy conveyed by it) is an "assault upon" or "violation of" one's rights. After all, any such assault or violation would entitle one to use force in order to effectuate respect for one's rights (because that is what is necessarily implied by the concept of "rights" in the first place).
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Sadly, that is what the majority of the people want, at least in my area, bordering PA and Ohio. I can’t tell you how many times I am belittled, called names, flipped the finger, for not wearing a compliance mask out in public.
    True story. My dad and I today went to a "greasy spoon" resturant. (Cafeteria style). They had a mask sign on the door but I saw people in there without masks so I didn't worry about it. My dad was halfway through ordering and I was about to and the woman behind the counter was like "You have to have on a mask." Now she had on a mask and she was behind plexiglass and I stepped back 6 feet, but she still insisted on a mask and brought us both out one. I figured everyone else without a mask must have had one on earlier right? Nope. later a customer came in, seemed to be a regular, and ordered his meal without a mask.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

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    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    True story. My dad and I today went to a "greasy spoon" resturant. (Cafeteria style). They had a mask sign on the door but I saw people in there without masks so I didn't worry about it. My dad was halfway through ordering and I was about to and the woman behind the counter was like "You have to have on a mask." Now she had on a mask and she was behind plexiglass and I stepped back 6 feet, but she still insisted on a mask and brought us both out one. I figured everyone else without a mask must have had one on earlier right? Nope. later a customer came in, seemed to be a regular, and ordered his meal without a mask.
    Should have went somewhere else. That's what I do. Every place I spend my ducats does not enforce their sign mandate. One thing I still do is keep a six foot distance. But it really has nothing to do with Covid. I'm fine with society freely committing to a six foot distance. And am willing to participate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Eh. Don't worry. Eventually all of the face mask signs will go down....and the vaccine passport signs will go up.
    That is now illegal in FL DeSantis just signed the bill.



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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    That is now illegal in FL DeSantis just signed the bill.
    Good for him. Techincally they should already be illegal under HIPPA.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    True story. My dad and I today went to a "greasy spoon" resturant. (Cafeteria style). They had a mask sign on the door but I saw people in there without masks so I didn't worry about it. My dad was halfway through ordering and I was about to and the woman behind the counter was like "You have to have on a mask." Now she had on a mask and she was behind plexiglass and I stepped back 6 feet, but she still insisted on a mask and brought us both out one. I figured everyone else without a mask must have had one on earlier right? Nope.
    later a customer came in, seemed to be a regular, and ordered his meal without a mask.
    I think I saw you recently: https://www.reddit.com/r/Whatcouldgo...on_the_subway/
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Eh. Don't worry. Eventually all of the face mask signs will go down....and the vaccine passport signs will go up.
    Yup.

    That's coming...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    LOL. I only go for the animatronic version.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirdChild View Post
    Can someone here recommend me a company that helps with buying a property in Playa del Carmen?
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    One of my local watering holes had a "please wear mask" sign that they completely ignored from day one. They've since taken it down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirdChild View Post
    Can someone here recommend me a company that helps with buying a property in Playa del Carmen?
    Quote Originally Posted by Peakirene View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirdChild View Post
    Can someone here recommend me a company that helps with buying a property in Playa del Carmen?
    Quote Originally Posted by Peakirene View Post
    You can try playarealestategroup.com
    LOL

    This scores points for technique, but it would be more impressive if "Peakirene" had quoted "ThirdChild".

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirdChild View Post
    Can someone here recommend me a company that helps with buying a property in Playa del Carmen?
    Everything I have heard, it's better to go there in person and find your property. Then ask some expats for advice on a lawyer to help with the legal aspects. Apparently any websites will result in you paying way more, because most real estate in Mexico isn't sold that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirdChild View Post
    Can someone here recommend me a company that helps with buying a property in Playa del Carmen?
    Quote Originally Posted by Peakirene View Post
    You can try playarealestategroup.com

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    "
    Face Burqa Signage and Property Rights
    ...
    This of course strengthens the lie – and makes it harder for that reason to deny it, to reduce the harm it causes.
    Another evil."

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