The libertarian movement has no affinity with the Unite the Right Rally

[Dr.3D]

I used to think the alt-right was unfairly maligned by the media and liberals as nazis, racists, and fascists. Now they have literally become literal nazis. I don't know if I was just totally blind to it before, or if the media narrative has just shaped what they became. In any case, what a $#@!ing shame. These tools have set back any progress conservatives have made by years.

The tepid repudiation of these idiots by some of the posters here has me raising my eyebrows.

How can we know what we are seeing through the eyes of the media, is the truth?

Last I knew, the so called 'White Nationalist' groups spokesman wasn't even allowed his first amendment rights to address the news media. He was immediately surrounded and punched in the face for trying to say anything.

Something about this doesn't smell right. It's almost as if this is all some kind of act and we are supposed to buy it.

[nikcers]

How can we know what we are seeing through the eyes of the media, is the truth?

Last I knew, the so called 'White Nationalist' groups spokesman wasn't even allowed his first amendment rights to address the news media. He was immediately surrounded and punched in the face for trying to say anything.

Something about this doesn't smell right. It's almost as if this is all some kind of act and we are supposed to buy it.

inb4 Trump tweets that he is going to send in the feds.

[The Rebel Poet]

I see this place has finally transformed into White Nationalist Forums. I think I'm done visiting for good.

You just noticed?? Actually it was worse until recently. You can't leave just after we got several of the more obnoxious WN's to finally give up.

[bunklocoempire]

I see this place has finally transformed into White Nationalist Forums. I think I'm done visiting for good.

Nah, people just really love their public parks and all the joy public property brings.

[Danke]

I used to think the alt-right was unfairly maligned by the media and liberals as nazis, racists, and fascists. Now they have literally become literal nazis. I don't know if I was just totally blind to it before, or if the media narrative has just shaped what they became. In any case, what a $#@!ing shame. These tools have set back any progress conservatives have made by years.

The tepid repudiation of these idiots by some of the posters here has me raising my eyebrows.

most of the assembly was peaceful patriots. But a minority of white supremacists spoiled it, Feds, Soro's goons?

[angelatc]

You just noticed?? Actually it was worse until recently. You can't leave just after we got several of the more obnoxious WN's to finally give up.

Thanks for the neg. I didn't vote for Trump. Derp. Derp. Derp.

[phill4paul]

most of the assembly was peaceful patriots. But a minority of white supremacists spoiled it, Feds, Soro's goons?

I'd have to be given some solid numbers. A lot of dupes in the mix. The only ones I could be sure of were the militia that showed up armed, weren't attacked, and didn't shoot anyone. But, yeah, there were provocateurs there. On both sides playing to incite excited emotions.

[angelatc]

I'm getting the impression, there were no white nationalists involved with this at all. Seems somebody has been just trying to make it look that way.

No, there were definitely white nationalists involved. I am wondering if the guy actually invited them, or if they just seized the opportunity and he wasn't smart enough to realize this is a losing gambit.

You've been here as long as I have - you may remember that Josh and Bryan had a devil of a time keeping them off these forums. They're like any other fringe element - if you tolerate them, they'll soon become the entire focus of your movement, especially for the opposition.

The never-Trumpers and the left are making hay with this. Never mind that we never heard much at all about the leftist that took out 5 cops in Dallas. (Do you remember them interviewing his mom? Giving us any lists of groups he associated with? Throwing up Facebook posts?) If the GOP didn't see this coming, they have themselves to blame.

[Anti Federalist]

You just noticed?? Actually it was worse until recently. You can't leave just after we got several of the more obnoxious WN's to finally give up.

Why not just have a discussion instead of a neg rep?

I know Ron Paul is no racist.

But according to a great many people he was by virtue of the stories in the newsletter that carried his name.

I was here in 2007/08 when a whole $#@! ton of people were ready to throw him under the bus for that, which to this day I maintain were nothing more than observations, perhaps put crudely.

He's also a Republican and a traditionalist, if I am understanding correctly what what that pejorative means.

Antischism claims all three of those things are horrible traits.

I wish I could say it was surprising, but all the traditionalists, racists, and Republicans that were brought into the movement have really poisoned the well.

[Anti Federalist]

I think we need a movement of non-hateful, non-racist normal people who stand for liberty and truth. And who understand who the real enemy is.

I'm so tired of all this division and deception.

We did.

Nobody was interested.

So we all went home.

[pcosmar]

Out of pure curiosity,,

Where is the nearest Fusion Center to this mess?

it seems a bit engineered.

[brandon]

How can we know what we are seeing through the eyes of the media, is the truth?

Last I knew, the so called 'White Nationalist' groups spokesman wasn't even allowed his first amendment rights to address the news media. He was immediately surrounded and punched in the face for trying to say anything.

Something about this doesn't smell right. It's almost as if this is all some kind of act and we are supposed to buy it.

Have you been on /pol/ on 4chan? You should check it out. It's really enlightening. There are thousands of neckbeard miscreants that are openly identifying with various forms of nazism. Some of them call it "civic nationalism" which just basically means kick all the "$#@!skins" out. They believe socialism can work if it's in a country of only white people. Go down the rabbit hole man. These are the people showing up at these rallys. They are not well-adjusted upstanding citizens.

[phill4paul]

We did.

Nobody was interested.

So we all went home.

Still out mother lovin' rep.....

[acptulsa]

We did.

Nobody was interested.

So we all went home.

Put it on the empire's tombstone. Then add, let it not be said that good people did nothing.

[The Rebel Poet]

Why not just have a discussion instead of a neg rep?

I know Ron Paul is no racist.

But according to a great many people he was by virtue of the stories in the newsletter that carried his name.

I was here in 2007/08 when a whole $#@! ton of people were ready to throw him under the bus for that, which to this day I maintain were nothing more than observations, perhaps put crudely.

He's also a Republican and a traditionalist, if I am understanding correctly what what that pejorative means.

Antischism claims all three of those things are horrible traits.

I've consider you one of the good guys, so I hope you can forgive me if I misunderstood what you said. I didn't see anyone on this thread connect Ron to racism until you brought it up. And your last sentence makes it sound like you disagree with antischism about racists being bad?

[r3volution 3.0]

Have you been on /pol/ on 4chan? You should check it out. It's really enlightening. There are thousands of neckbeard miscreants that are openly identifying with various forms of nazism. Some of them call it "civic nationalism" which just basically means kick all the "$#@!skins" out. They believe socialism can work if it's in a country of only white people. Go down the rabbit hole man. These are the people showing up at these rallys. They are not well-adjusted upstanding citizens.

Yup

Some people here are shockingly naive about what the "Unite the Retards" event was about, who organized it, who attended it...

...and to what extent these clowns have already, intentionally, methodically, subverted the libertarian movement.

People talking about it like it was a "false flag" event need to stop listening to WN propaganda InfoWars and get a f-king grip.

[Anti Federalist]

I've consider you one of the good guys, so I hope you can forgive me if I misunderstood what you said. I didn't see anyone on this thread connect Ron to racism until you brought it up. And your last sentence makes it sound like you disagree with antischism about racists being bad?

No worries.

Perhaps I could re-phrase it:

All three of those traits can be found, by conventional wisdom's definitions anyway, in Ron Paul.

Republican, check.

Traditionalist, check.

Racist, (according to the people who were running around here ten years ago with their hair on fire over the newsletter debacle) check.

Are "racists" bad?

Sure, depending on how you define that.

"Round up all of 'X' using forces of the state, and shoot them on the edge of the mass grave." - Clearly bad.

"Damn, that black kid that just mugged me was able to get away, because he was 'fleet of foot' and my middle aged broke down ass couldn't catch him!" (That was, IIRC, the upshot of the horrible, awful, earth shattering, end of the world 'racism' that was contained in the newsletters, or words to that effect) - A declaration of a clearly demonstrable event. Not bad, as far as I'm concerned.

Nor is it bad or racism, to discuss the existence of and causes of violent crime committed in disproportional numbers by young black men.

Or a whole host of other issues, that the left has now declared verboten to speak of.

[Dr.3D]

Have you been on /pol/ on 4chan? You should check it out. It's really enlightening. There are thousands of neckbeard miscreants that are openly identifying with various forms of nazism. Some of them call it "civic nationalism" which just basically means kick all the "$#@!skins" out. They believe socialism can work if it's in a country of only white people. Go down the rabbit hole man. These are the people showing up at these rallys. They are not well-adjusted upstanding citizens.

So you're telling me the Main Stream Media is right this time?

I never said I agreed with either group... Just that things don't seem right this time.

[Anti Federalist]

...and to what extent these clowns have already, intentionally, methodically, subverted the libertarian movement.

Outside of what we have been quietly accomplishing in NH with our tiny but dedicated numbers, there is no "libertarian movement".

There are just varying degrees of statists, jockeying for position.

[r3volution 3.0]

So you're telling me the Main Stream Media is right this time?

I think he's telling you to listen to the people $#@!ing you and laughing, because, you know, maybe you're getting $#@!ed?

[Anti Federalist]

Still out mother lovin' rep.....

Had to drive 12 hours today, with nothing to do but mull this mess over.

Glad a few Easter eggs popped out.

[acptulsa]

So you're telling me the Main Stream Media is right this time?

I never said I agreed with either group... Just that things don't seem right this time.

The media always base their stories on verifiable truth. It's what they leave out, and how they spin what's left, that produces their desired ridiculous verdicts.

Genuine useful idiots always believe in their causes. Doesn't mean they serve their causes. But they genuinely believe in them.

There were stormfronters there. The media won't admit that there were people there to defend free speech, or that there were people there to decry the act of flushing history down the Memory Hole, because these are adult conversations they don't want to encourage Americans to have. They admit Antifa was there, but do not say how they got there, how they got armed, or how they got assisted by the police.

Paul Harvey is dead, and we no longer get The Rest of the Story. But so far as they go, and before the editorializing starts, the kernel of the story is usually true.

The reason it doesn't sound right to you is because you look for the big picture, and they cut the big picture up with a jigsaw and threw away all the pieces they didn't like.

[brandon]

So you're telling me the Main Stream Media is right this time?

I never said I agreed with either group... Just that things don't seem right this time.

Yeah, it's not right. As I said in another thread, 1000s of violent anti-white anti-man liberal degenerates are clashing with 1000s of wannabe nazi, racist idiots. Both sides represent the worst of America. The MSM is, as usual, only attacking the right, but this time just might deserve it more than the left.

[Swordsmyth]

Yeah, it's not right. As I said in another thread, 1000s of violent anti-white anti-man liberal degenerates are clashing with 1000s of wannabe nazi, racist idiots. Both sides represent the worst of America. The MSM is, as usual, only attacking the right, but this time just might deserve it more than the left.

No the left attacked first.

[r3volution 3.0]

Outside of what we have been quietly accomplishing in NH with our tiny but dedicated numbers, there is no "libertarian movement".

There are just varying degrees of statists, jockeying for position.

Right

Right

It makes no difference whether you read Mises or do the Sieg Heil...?

[Anti Federalist]

How many people read Mises?

I'm not sure what you're getting at.

Right

Right

It makes no difference whether you read Mises or do the Sieg Heil...?

[acptulsa]

No the left attacked first.

If whoever threw the first punch is the one most wrong (and there's a lot to be said for that) then the left is definitely most wrong in this case.

Right

Right

It makes no difference whether you read Mises or do the Sieg Heil...?

Mises is neither 'right' nor 'left'.

He's merely correct.

How many people read Mises?

I'm not sure what you're getting at.

He seems to be sick of fiscal conservatives being lumped in with people who have more in common with Far Left Black Separatists than us.

[Danke]

Had to drive 12 hours today, with nothing to do but mull this mess over.

A fish out of water.

[r3volution 3.0]

How many people read Mises?

I'm not sure what you're getting at.

I'm stating clearly that there is a libertarian movement, and it's defined by ideas such as those of Mises.

And it must, if it is going to survive at all, absolutely and unconditionally condemn these inbred bolshevik $#@!s.

Mises is neither 'right' nor 'left'.

He's merely correct.

...and, according to our Sieg-heiling "pals," a dirty jew.

[Dr.3D]

No the left attacked first.

Well, we can't be thinking about that now can we?

After all, it's those "Bad Guys" that were attacked and the media seems to think they deserved it, even if means robbing them of their 1st amendment rights in the process.

Even when a spokesman from the group came forward to have a "News Conference", he was punched in the face and not allowed to discuss his view about what took place.

Where are the people who were supposed to protect his 1st amendment rights. So far that day, he and his group had their 1st amendment rights twice stolen from them and the press says nothing about it as if it's nothing.