Don't Fool Yourself, the Left is Still Winning

[acptulsa]

The extremists have taken over the left, generations of brainwashing have paid off, just look at Bernie/Hitlery and the other maniacs the left votes for these days.

McCain's not a maniac? Graham's not a maniac?

If the extremists have taken over, why didn't Sanders win the nomination, and where did the Democratic Socialists come from?

Your perspective was packaged for you by the MSM. Are you capable of pulling your head out of their ass?

The free part would be much better off, the leftists part/s would implode since their lunacy would run wild.

Texas won their independence in 1837, and it made them happy. So why did they join the union, Einstein? The answer is simple--they decided it was better to be a part of a big, powerful economy than to be a small, weak economy.

You would quickly decide the same thing, and not long after you got your short-sighted way.

[Swordsmyth]

McCain's not a maniac? Graham's not a maniac?

They are bad but not as insane as the left, and the left is composed of maniac politicians with no exceptions, the right has quite a few reasonable politicians and and the only good ones.

If the extremists have taken over, why didn't Sanders win the nomination, and where did the Democratic Socialists come from?

Hitlery was also insane and many of the maniacs voted for her, the DS is the new cutting edge of the left's accelerating madness.

Your perspective was packaged for you by the MSM. Are you capable of pulling your head out if their ass?

Have you seen the mass protests and the freaks on twitter?

Texas won their independence in 1837, and it made them happy. So why did they join the union, Einstein? The answer is simple--they decided it was better to be a part of a big, powerful economy than to be a small, weak economy.

You would quickly decide the same thing, and not long after you got your short-sighted way.

Was the US communist in 1837? Was it freer than Texas in any significant way?
By your logic the US would have benefited economically by joining the Soviet Union or Mao's China.

Your true goal of keeping the frog from jumping out of the leftist pot is becoming obvious.

[pcosmar]

By your logic .

Don't talk about things you don't understand,, Like Logic..

That spew was devoid of it.

[Swordsmyth]

Don't talk about things you don't understand,, Like Logic..

That spew was devoid of it.

As if you would know.

[dude58677]

That's all leftovers from the Progressive/Neocon Era. Yes there is alot to clean up from that era but at least they are out of power.

[Swordsmyth]

That's all leftovers from the Progressive/Neocon Era. Yes there is alot to clean up from that era but at least they are out of power.

If we aren't careful something worse will rise to replace them.

[Pauls' Revere]

What is more important? Money? Or Freedom?
The left will destroy our economy in the end anyway, but if we get loose of them we can undo at least some of the damage they have already done and our economy will grow like mad.

Venezuela's inflation rate has hit one million percent!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.51796e7d6928

[Swordsmyth]

Venezuela's inflation rate has hit one million percent!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.51796e7d6928

Let's add them to the union, their population and resources will make us rich!

[Pauls' Revere]

Let's add them to the union, their population and resources will make us rich!

replace the economy of California. LOL

[acptulsa]

Have you seen the mass protests and the freaks on twitter?

How many times must it be said? Twitter is nearly as controlled as the MSM, and by reinforcing their message, you are carrying water for the swamp's most rabid alligators.

Your true goal of keeping the frog from jumping out of the leftist pot is becoming obvious.

So, people should take your word for my motivations? Tell me this, O historical ignoramous: Is my very red state a hopeless socialist morass? Well, guess what--things can change, and socialism's greatest foes are often the people who tried most fervently to make it work. Like Russia. And like Oklahoma.

In the first two decades of the twentieth century the Socialist Party of Oklahoma consistently ranked as one of the top three state socialist organizations in America. At the party's height in the elections of 1914, the Socialist Party candidate for governor, Fred W. Holt, received more than 20 percent of the vote statewide. In Marshall and Roger Mills counties, where the Socialist Party was strongest, Holt captured 41 and 35 percent of the vote, respectively. More than 175 socialists were elected to local and county offices that year, including six to the state legislature. As these statistics make clear, to a greater extent than anywhere else in the nation, the Socialist Party in Oklahoma played an active, potent role in state and local politics.

The earliest formations of the Oklahoma Socialist Party occurred during the territorial period in Grant and Kay counties near the Kansas border. By 1902 there were some twenty-three locals affiliated with the socialist organization in Oklahoma Territory. Soon the center of socialist activism shifted southward to the Indian Territory, and by 1907 the geographic shape of the Socialist Party of Oklahoma had become clear: socialists were concentrated in the old Indian Territory (especially in Marshall, Johnston, Pontotoc, Seminole, Jefferson, Stephens, Garvin, Love, and McCurtain counties), and in Roger Mills, Beckham, Dewey, and Kiowa counties in the west.

From the outset, Oklahoma socialism had a decidedly agrarian focus. Building on the expertise its members inherited from past agrarian movements (principally the Farmers' Alliance and the Farmers' Union), Oklahoma socialists directly challenged the inequities of early-twentieth-century commercial agriculture. Unlike their counterparts in the national Socialist Party, who thought of farmers as members of the petite bourgeoisie and therefore ineligible for party membership, Oklahoma socialists argued forcefully that farmers who worked the land were legitimate members of the working class. Indeed, Sooner socialists developed a pathbreaking "Farmers' Programme" that called for restoring land to working farmers. In addition, Socialist Party speakers relentlessly attacked tenancy, the crop lien system, and usury, the principal components of the agricultural crisis for small farmers.

http://www.okhistory.org/publication...IALIST%20PARTY

Are you thinking of the future, or once again thinking short term? Because history is a pendulum, and it does swing.

Please, tell us all again what my motivations are.

[Anti Federalist]

There is a way out of this, outside of war or secession.

Adopt the tactics of the gun rights movement.

40 years ago, we were on the verge of having handguns banned, outright. Many large cities already had bans or de facto bans. There was no state in the country, outside of Vermont, that had any means by which to obtain a "permit" to carry a firearm, outside of being drinking buddies with the local cops. Bans on ammo, on taxes, on trades were all in the wings.

Things looked pretty grim...that was the political landscape I walked into as young teenager...and I thought gun rights were doomed.

But through smart, no compromise activism, we were able to turn things around.

Granted, things are not perfect, but they are world's better than what they were in 1980 WRT to gun rights.

And violent crime is at record lows to boot.

Imagine an army of committed people defending the rest of the Bill of Rights just as vigorously.

[Swordsmyth]

So, people should take your word for my motivations? Tell me this, O historical ignoramous: Is my very red state a hopeless socialist morass? Well, guess what--things can change, and socialism's greatest foes are often the people who tried most fervently to make it work. Like Russia. And like Oklahoma.



Are you thinking of the future, or once again thinking short term? Because history is a pendulum, and it does swing.

Please, tell us all again what my motivations are.

Oklahoma farmers and big city welfare trash are two different things, I would also question how many of those socialists left the state for greener pastures during the dust bowl period or just became Democrats.

The deep blue states are also importing millions of foreign communists to make sure they have a permanent majority, they won't let us keep the illegals out let alone reform the legal immigration system, that wasn't a factor in the first half of the 20th century.

Things are much worse now than back then, we don't have time to bet that by some miracle the deep blue states turn against communism, we are one generation or less from collapse and outright tyranny.

[acptulsa]

Oklahoma farmers and big city welfare trash are two different things, I would also question how many of those socialists left the state for greener pastures during the dust bowl period or just became Democrats.

The deep blue states are also importing millions of foreign communists to make sure they have a permanent majority, they won't let us keep the illegals out let alone reform the legal immigration system, that wasn't a factor in the first half of the 20th century.

Things are much worse now than back then, we don't have time to bet that by some miracle the deep blue states turn against communism, we are one generation or less from collapse and outright tyranny.

And most immigrants reject that from which they fled.

And your collectivist viewpoint is still an asinine thing to see spammed on a ruggedly individualist libertarian site.

[Swordsmyth]

There is a way out of this, outside of war or secession.

Adopt the tactics of the gun rights movement.

40 years ago, we were on the verge of having handguns banned, outright. Many large cities already had bans or de facto bans. There was no state in the country, outside of Vermont, that had any means by which to obtain a "permit" to carry a firearm, outside of being drinking buddies with the local cops. Bans on ammo, on taxes, on trades were all in the wings.

Things looked pretty grim...that was the political landscape I walked into as young teenager...and I thought gun rights were doomed.

But through smart, no compromise activism, we were able to turn things around.

Granted, things are not perfect, but they are world's better than what they were in 1980 WRT to gun rights.

And violent crime is at record lows to boot.

Imagine an army of committed people defending the rest of the Bill of Rights just as vigorously.

I would love for that to succeed but I don't see it happening, gun rights have a visceral appeal that much of the rest of the Constitution does not, having a gun will keep you safe from crime and allow you to hunt for food in a crisis, shooting is also fun, for most other rights those motivations are either seemingly on the side of more government or just absent.

[Swordsmyth]

And most immigrants reject that from which they fled.

That is simply not true.

And your collectivist viewpoint is still an asinine thing to see spammed on a ruggedly individualist libertarian site.

My view is not collectivist, it is realist, the deep blue states are destroying us and they want to shift into a higher gear of destruction and tyranny, separation is one of a very few chances to save ourselves, you have yet to give any reason other than misguided greed for why we should keep the millstones around our necks, they would be free to do as they wished and we would be free.

I don't believe you are stupid enough to really believe that we would be economically worse off if we were free of them and able to roll back the socialism and regulations that they have imposed on the rest of us, therefore the only logical explanation is that you want the left to win and you want to keep the rest of us shackled to them.

[acptulsa]

That is simply not true.

The vast majority of Americans are descended from immigrants who came from monarchies. Where's our king?

My view is not collectivist...

Yes it is. It's a purely us vs. them team player screeching screed with no more historical foundation or intellect behind it than the Three Stooges.

But, of course, you'd rather shoot all ten of your toes off than fail to get the last word. And your attempt to get the last word has led to your discourse degenerating to the level of a kindergarten skirmish. So go ahead. Say the last word.

[Swordsmyth]

The vast majority of Americans are descended from immigrants who came from monarchies. Where's our king?

They may have lived in monarchies but they were not monarchists, in case you didn't notice the monarchies from that era all turned into parliamentary systems.
The world has changed since then, the common people of most countries have been brainwashed with socialism and marxism for generations and they are encouraged to stay that way after they come here, immigrants and their descendants for multiple generations tend to vote leftist at a much higher rate than natural born citizens and by the time their descendants are in line with the average it is as much from the average moving towards them as the other way.

In any case we don't have time to wait, if we don't turn things around in the next generation we will be destroyed and subjected to outright tyranny and communism.

[acptulsa]

Knew we could count on you.

[pcosmar]

And your collectivist viewpoint is still an asinine thing to see spammed on a ruggedly individualist libertarian site.

+1

[Aratus]

They may have lived in monarchies but they were not monarchists, in case you didn't notice the monarchies from that era all turned into parliamentary systems...

Dude... Stalin, Hitler and Mao were genocidal when going after their opponents.
You are the one who has a blind spot about discontent and the Enlightenment.
You then inflicted a screed rant on us all after your first full sentence. Be polite.

[Swordsmyth]

Dude... Stalin, Hitler and Mao were genocidal when going after their opponents.
You are the one who has a blind spot about discontent and the Enlightenment.
You then inflicted a screed rant on us all after your first full sentence. Be polite.

What you said has nothing to do with what I said.

[Aratus]

John Locke took sides. He was very political in the late 1600s. Sir Isaac Newton was a close friend to him.

The vast majority of Americans are descended from immigrants who came from monarchies. Where's our king?

Yes it is. It's a purely us vs. them team player screeching screed with no more historical foundation or intellect behind it than the Three Stooges.

But, of course, you'd rather shoot all ten of your toes off than fail to get the last word. And your attempt to get the last word has led to your discourse degenerating to the level of a kindergarten skirmish. So go ahead. Say the last word.

[timosman]

John Locke took sides. He was very political in the late 1600s. Sir Isaac Newton was a close friend to him.

Apple?

[Aratus]

What you said has nothing to do with what I said.

Dude... When I was very young, I read WIND IN THE WILLOWS. The book got depressing when
the stoats took over TOAD HALL. I was more upset at the very idea than ANYTHING i encountered
when reading George Orwell's ANIMAL FARM when I was older. It has everything to do with you.

[Aratus]

Apple?

Gravitas is not gravity but it implies that gravity exists. Sir Isaac
Newton did not invent gravity. Newton invented modern physics!

[AuH20]

That is simply not true.


My view is not collectivist, it is realist, the deep blue states are destroying us and they want to shift into a higher gear of destruction and tyranny, separation is one of a very few chances to save ourselves, you have yet to give any reason other than misguided greed for why we should keep the millstones around our necks, they would be free to do as they wished and we would be free.

I don't believe you are stupid enough to really believe that we would be economically worse off if we were free of them and able to roll back the socialism and regulations that they have imposed on the rest of us, therefore the only logical explanation is that you want the left to win and you want to keep the rest of us shackled to them.

It's more rural vs urban. But the deep blue states are typically composed of a far more urban fabric, which predisposes them towards socialistic solutions.

[Aratus]

You also have more local zoning laws and public health codes in the heart of NYC than above the arctic circle.

[AuH20]

And most immigrants reject that from which they fled.

And your collectivist viewpoint is still an asinine thing to see spammed on a ruggedly individualist libertarian site.

Not really. Being mired near the bottom of the socioeconomic pyramid, they will take any so-called 'helping hand' they get. They are often in no position to play philosopher.

[Swordsmyth]

It's more rural vs urban. But the deep blue states are typically composed of a far more urban fabric, which gravitates them towards socialistic solutions.

I agree but some states have no red counties, they are either full of big cities or they have filled their countrysides with rich leftists and driven out any conservatives.

[AuH20]

Living off other people's money is like a communicable disease. The disease becomes even more aggressive, when others from outside the community partake in the plunder. There is no natural deterrent or shame factor in place for an outsider group, since their lower social standing has already been established.