President Trump pardons Oregon cattle ranchers

[devil21]

OK...that tips the case.

Unless he does something extraordinarily stupid, I will vote Trump 2020.

Seriously? Damn, you're easy to pacify AF.

Trump always does something relatively minor like this right after he does some really terrible, like nominate an uber swamp dweller to SCOTUS.

Their sentence had already been reduced down to the minimum sentence allowed by statute. He knocked a few months off of jail times. It's not like he commuted life sentences.

I disagree. I think the Bush cabal has lost control. It seems quite obvious to me.

Huh? Kavanaugh is in mega-tight with the Bush cabal. Are you paying attention??



Kavanaugh's wife Ashley was GWB's personal secretary ffs!

Ashley Estes Kavanaugh worked for George W. Bush for a long time, even before she and Brett were married. They worked in the White House at the same time, from 2001 to 2005 while she was Bush’s personal secretary. But her time with Bush goes back even longer than that. From 1996 to 1999, while Bush was Governor of Texas, she was his personal assistant. She was also the personal assistant for the Bush-Cheney Presidential Campaign from 1996 to 2000. The Bushes even attended the Kavanaughs’ wedding in 2004.

Ya know, I get that not everyone has as much time to invest in nerding out on this stuff as I do but dang, do just a little cursory research.

[Jamesiv1]

I never get tired of winning , might be why I am Great Sagamore .

I just need a little nap and I will be ready for more.

[phill4paul]

I'm waiting to hear about investigations regarding Lavoy Finicum's murder, the long persecution of the Bundy's... and what-the-hell was that whole killing and mass-arrest of Waco bikers? All seemed government orchestrated. I guess that can't happen till Trump gets beyond the "Russia" bull$#@!.

FBI agent Astarita will go to trial this Fall I believe. The judge is deciding which evidence will be allowed at this time. So far he has been prejudicial towards Astarita. The Bundy's won't be retried unless the government appeals to a higher court. As far as WACO I haven't really kept up on it. Many of the bikers had their cases dismissed. Though I've read some of the ethics violations that prosecutors have been involved in.

[phill4paul]

Seriously? Damn, you're easy to pacify AF.

Trump always does something relatively minor like this right after he does some really terrible, like nominate an uber swamp dweller to SCOTUS.

Their sentence had already been reduced down to the minimum sentence allowed by statute. He knocked a few months off of jail times. It's not like he commuted life sentences.



Huh? Kavanaugh is in mega-tight with the Bush cabal. Are you paying attention??

With them in jail their ranch has fallen on hard times. They are in jeapordy of losing it as the Feds have denied them grazing rights as a way to get back at them. They served their original time and paid $400k in restitution for acts that held conflicting viewpoints. They were convicted under "Anti-terrorism" laws for Christ sakes! I'm sure "a few months" may not matter much for you, but for them and their family I'm sure it is a big deal.

[devil21]

With them in jail their ranch has fallen on hard times. They are in jeapordy of losing it as the Feds have denied them grazing rights as a way to get back at them. They served their original time and paid $400k in restitution for acts that held conflicting viewpoints. They were convicted under "Anti-terrorism" laws for Christ sakes! I'm sure "a few months" may not matter much for you, but for them and their family I'm sure it is a big deal.

It's great for them, yay. It's nothing compared to appointing another Bushie to SCOTUS that, if confirmed, will affect us all for the next 35 years!!!!

Hell, sounds like Trump could nuke Iran but as long as he calls the dogs off the Bundys he's golden with some people.

[phill4paul]

It's great for them, yay. It's nothing compared to appointing another Bushie to SCOTUS that, if confirmed, will affect us all for the next 35 years!!!!

Hell, sounds like Trump could nuke Iran but as long as he calls the dogs off the Bundys he's golden with some people.

Christ, you sound as bad as a progressive. I don't like his SCOTUS pick either, but I'm damn sure not going to bristle into every thread about it. There are other threads about SCOTUS. Go cry their.

[devil21]

Christ, you sound as bad as a progressive. I don't like his SCOTUS pick either, but I'm damn sure not going to bristle into every thread about it. There are other threads about SCOTUS. Go cry their.

So you don't realize when you're being manipulated by a token gesture that means nothing and is meant to distract you from the giant dicking you're about to take. Got it.

It's hard to believe now that at one point most of y'all seemed to be waking up. After all this time, still stuck under the weight of labels and parties and shiny things.

[phill4paul]

So you don't realize when you're being manipulated by a token gesture that means nothing and is meant to distract you from the giant dicking you're about to take. Got it.

It's hard to believe now that at one point most of y'all seemed to be waking up. After all this time, still stuck under the weight of labels and parties and shiny things.

Has Kavanaugh been confirmed yet? No. Have the Hammonds been released? Yes. THAT is what this thread is about. I'm about as woke as it get's fancy pants, and probably have been longer than you have. So you can stop with that bull$#@!. And your thread jacking.

[devil21]

Has Kavanaugh been confirmed yet? No. Have the Hammonds been released? Yes. THAT is what this thread is about.

So you'll bump this thread when he's confirmed, yes? I'll hold my breath.

I'm about as woke as it get's fancy pants, and probably have been longer than you have.

Clearly not. "Progressives". Blaming people as easily manipulated as you are is not being "woke" and falling for emotional triggers like obviously timed announcements regarding people you've never met and never even heard about until the media told you they existed.

So you can stop with that bull$#@!.

Pointing out the obvious political manipulation in action is not thread jacking.

[Swordsmyth]

Has Kavanaugh been confirmed yet? No. Have the Hammonds been released? Yes. THAT is what this thread is about. I'm about as woke as it get's fancy pants, and probably have been longer than you have. So you can stop with that bull$#@!. And your thread jacking.

^^^THIS^^^

Even Kavanaugh is better than the judges Hitlery or whoever else the Demoncrats run in 2020 will appoint, I still want him to not be confirmed and replaced with Lee but perfectionism will only lead to failure, Rome wasn't built in a day.

[phill4paul]

So you'll bump this thread when he's confirmed, yes? I'll hold my breath.



Clearly not. "Progressives". Blaming people as easily manipulated as you are is not being "woke" and falling for emotional triggers like obviously timed announcements regarding people you've never met and never even heard about until the media told you they existed.



Pointing out the obvious political manipulation in action is not thread jacking.

I said you were acting like a progressive. And you are.

[devil21]

^^^THIS^^^

Even Kavanaugh is better than the judges Hitlery or whoever else the Demoncrats run in 2020 will appoint, I still want him to not be confirmed and replaced with Lee but perfectionism will only lead to failure, Rome wasn't built in a day.

And of course here comes sWordsmyth with the obligatory "but but but Hillary!" line. (The Rome line is noted btw)

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Now, cue dannno in 3....2.....1.....

I said you were acting like a progressive. And you are.

How's that? Because I'm not on the Trump wagon of dumbasses? I remember a time when you, and many other posters here weren't buying the false left/right charade. What happened Phil?

[Ender]

It's great for them, yay. It's nothing compared to appointing another Bushie to SCOTUS that, if confirmed, will affect us all for the next 35 years!!!!

Hell, sounds like Trump could nuke Iran but as long as he calls the dogs off the Bundys he's golden with some people.

I am truly glad for the Hammonds. This whole thing, along with the Bundy's, was some of the most anti-liberty crap I have ever seen.

That said- I still think Trump is an imposter- if he was truly not big state, he would not be putting the noose around Iran again. He'd be pulling the military out Korea & the ME & stopping unconstitutional wars- PLUS his pick for SCOTUS would not be another neocon.

[Swordsmyth]

And of course here comes sWordsmyth with the obligatory "but but but Hillary!" line.

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Now, cue dannno in 3....2.....1.....

Can you disprove the logic?

If you could you would have.

[phill4paul]

How's that? Because I'm not on the Trump wagon of dumbasses? I remember a time when you, and many other posters here weren't buying the false left/right charade. What happened Phil?

I gave a hat tip to Trump for pardoning the Hammonds. $#@!ing crucify me on a pyre.

[asurfaholic]

OK...that tips the case.

Unless he does something extraordinarily stupid, I will vote Trump 2020.

This is a big character move that counts. I’ll probably end up there myself. He isn’t quite the total disappointment.

[euphemia]

Regardless of what some complainers say, Trump is not a neocon and he is not a typical establishment politician. We have a president that is outside of the box big time. I wish Trump were more libertarian and I wish he cared more about the constitution, but still he already one of the better presidents of the last 50 years.

He is learning to be more libertarian. And I think he likes the Constitution just fine. He has named two originalists to SCOTUS.

He is not perfect, but he shows us every day why he was a better choice than Hillary.

[pcosmar]

I am truly glad for the Hammonds. This whole thing, along with the Bundy's, was some of the most anti-liberty crap I have ever seen.

That said- I still think Trump is an imposter- if he was truly not big state, he would not be putting the noose around Iran again. He'd be pulling the military out Korea & the ME & stopping unconstitutional wars- PLUS his pick for SCOTUS would not be another neocon.

Exactly..

I had hoped the Clown would do some good by accident. Best I can hope for.

[devil21]

Can you disprove the logic?

If you could you would have.

Did you just ask me to prove a negative and then dare use the word "logic" in the same sentence?

He is learning to be more libertarian.

If by learning to be more libertarian you mean that he (they) is learning how to shut you up with token gestures, then yes, they are definitely learning to be more libertarian. And I'm sure we can expect a lot more libertarianism in the future, particularly when Iran is attacked, as John Bolton and Rudy Giuliani promised recently.

[PursuePeace]

I gave a hat tip to Trump for pardoning the Hammonds. $#@!ing crucify me on a pyre.

I'm w/phill.

(edited: I mean... I don't really want to be crucified on a pyre.
but whatever.)

[Cleaner44]

Seriously? Damn, you're easy to pacify AF.

Trump always does something relatively minor like this right after he does some really terrible, like nominate an uber swamp dweller to SCOTUS.

Their sentence had already been reduced down to the minimum sentence allowed by statute. He knocked a few months off of jail times. It's not like he commuted life sentences.



Huh? Kavanaugh is in mega-tight with the Bush cabal. Are you paying attention??



Kavanaugh's wife Ashley was GWB's personal secretary ffs!





Ya know, I get that not everyone has as much time to invest in nerding out on this stuff as I do but dang, do just a little cursory research.

Thousands of people have worked for the Bushes, it doesn't mean they are their minions. Is there anyone in D.C. that doesn't have a connection to a Bush or Clinton? If you can't see the difference we will just have to agree to disagree.

P.S.

Trump destroyed Jeb! in public and made him look like a soy boy. Not proper treatment of your overlords.

[devil21]

Thousands of people have worked for the Bushes, it doesn't mean they are their minions. Is there anyone in D.C. that doesn't have a connection to a Bush or Clinton? If you can't see the difference we will just have to agree to disagree.

P.S.

Trump destroyed Jeb! in public and made him look like a soy boy. Not proper treatment of your overlords.

His personal secretary for his entire political career, particularly during 9/11, is not some passing intern staffer.

[Cleaner44]

I am truly glad for the Hammonds. This whole thing, along with the Bundy's, was some of the most anti-liberty crap I have ever seen.

That said- I still think Trump is an imposter- if he was truly not big state, he would not be putting the noose around Iran again. He'd be pulling the military out Korea & the ME & stopping unconstitutional wars- PLUS his pick for SCOTUS would not be another neocon.

Trump certainly has some BIG GOVT tendencies, but I can't think of any president in the last 50 years that has done more to bring a new approach to the White House. Does he have negative? Yes. Does he have positives that outweigh the negative? In my opinion yes. We actually have a president that is telling the Marxist globalists in our government and our allies government to take a hike. He has changed the game and they are losing their minds.

I applaude the new approach. It isn't libertarian and it isn't what Ron would do, but it is better than the same old same old.

Looking forward to more winning.

[Cleaner44]

His personal secretary for his entire political career, particularly during 9/11, is not some passing intern staffer.

So what are you saying? Kavanaugh is secretly a plant to advance the Bush neocon agenda by protecting the 2nd Amendment and ruling that we must erect stautes to Karl Marx?

[devil21]

So what are you saying? Kavanaugh is secretly a plant to advance the Bush neocon agenda by protecting the 2nd Amendment and ruling that we must erect stautes to Karl Marx?

Go over to the Kavanaugh thread and read the Jesuit oath I posted, which he took. You can't believe a word of anything he says he supports or doesn't support or why he does or doesn't support something. He's a literal soldier in a religious military order called the Knights of Malta.

Ever watched Handmaid's Tale? That is the type of society they aspire to and why our sons and daughters have been systematically exterminating millions of non-Catholics around the world for a very long time. It goes even deeper than that but that should suffice for the moment.

[kcchiefs6465]

So what are you saying? Kavanaugh is secretly a plant to advance the Bush neocon agenda by protecting the 2nd Amendment and ruling that we must erect stautes to Karl Marx?

His understanding of the 2nd Amendment is troubled at best.

In Heller, the Supreme Court held that handguns—the vast majority of which today are semi-automatic—are constitutionally protected because they have not traditionally been banned and are in common use by law-abiding citizens. There is no meaningful or persuasive constitutional distinction between semi-automatic handguns and semi-automatic rifles. Semi-automatic rifles, like semi-automatic handguns, have not traditionally been banned and are in common use by law-abiding citizens for self-defense in the home, hunting, and other lawful uses. Moreover, semi-automatic handguns are used in connection with violent crimes far more than semi-automatic rifles are. It follows from Heller's protection of semi-automatic handguns that semi-automatic rifles are also constitutionally protected and that D.C.'s ban on them is unconstitutional. (By contrast, fully automatic weapons, also known as machine guns, have traditionally been banned and may continue to be banned after Heller.)-- Brett Kavanaugh

Not really impressive.

[phill4paul]

Go over to the Kavanaugh thread and read the Jesuit oath I posted, which he took.
.

Such a novel idea.

[devil21]

Such a novel idea.

You should probably replace your signature with something more apropros to your priorities these days.

[phill4paul]

You should probably replace your signature with something more apropros to your priorities these days.

Or perhaps you should $#@! off on back to the SCOTUS threads instead of infecting a thread which should be full of praise.

[tod evans]

Well I'm glad these guys got to go home!