There is No Immigrant Flood, They Can't Get Welfare, and They Don't Commit More Crime

[James_Madison_Lives]

https://hubpages.com/politics/There-...mit-More-Crime






It's a rare thing for a journalist to get a scoop that blows the lid off a story which is taking the headlines of the day, much less to find that scoop in ordinary, credible sources on the Internet. But - whether a Trump supporter or not - an objective look at the available information shows that illegal immigrants, although still illegal, are getting a bad rap. No one needs to stop being concerned about the problem, if that is where one's passions lie. But honesty compels we on the reporting side to acknowledge the truth, which is the opposite of common misconceptions. There is not a sudden, recent flood of illegal immigrants. They do not come up here for the welfare. And they tend to commit less crimes of all kinds than native born Americans.
Which is not to say that it is not everyone's right to hate on anyone they want. That's part of freedom too. But to base opprobrium on reasons that are non-existent might call for a fact-check. So in the interest of this, here we go.
Myth Number One: The problem is worse than ever, with an unprecedented wave of brown people attempting to swamp our beautiful, mostly white country. Fact: Makes a good Doomsday movie, but the facts are startling. Border Patrol data shows the number of apprehensions of people crossing the Mexican border illegally to have plunged since 2011 to 1970s levels. This, in tandem with data showing that the rough number of illegals in the US has stayed the same in that time means that at least as many are leaving as are coming in.
Sure, not as fun as chanting "Build the Wall!" for our Orwellian Two Minutes of Hate at a Trump rally, but unless the government's own figures are way off, it is an inescapable conclusion.>>>> READ FULL ARTICLE https://hubpages.com/politics/There-is-No-Immigrant-Flood-They-Cant-Get-Welfare-and-They-Dont-Commit-More-Crime

[Swordsmyth]

[phill4paul]

[Stratovarious]

When all else fails, Liberal media throws up a photo of 'MOTHER AND CHILD'
Never ms13 gang bangers , Felons, repeat felons, murderers ,repeat murderers.

[Superfluous Man]

illegal immigrants, although still illegal

What will it take to get people to stop using the word "illegal" this way?

When someone commits an illegal act, the adjective "illegal" can be used to describe the act, but not the person. Otherwise, every single one of us is illegal.

[phill4paul]

What will it take to get people to stop using the word "illegal" this way?

When someone commits an illegal act, the adjective "illegal" can be used to describe the act, but not the person. Otherwise, every single one of us is illegal.

Trespassing migrants.

[Superfluous Man]

Trespassing migrants.

Trespassing is something else entirely. Natural-born citizens trespass all the time. And people who at some time in the past entered the US illegally or overstayed their visas, may live their entire lives here subsequent to that without trespassing anywhere. And if at any point in time they do trespass on someone's privately owned property, the fact that they at some point in the past broke an immigration law is totally irrelevant to the question of whether or not they're trespassing.

[nobody's_hero]

What will it take to get people to stop using the word "illegal" this way?

.

Probably when they come here legally.

[Superfluous Man]

Probably when they come here legally.

That's a stupid reason, don't you think?

They will still be people who have at some point in their lives done something illegal (like 100% of us have). And that's the entire basis anybody has for calling them illegal.

[Swordsmyth]

What will it take to get people to stop using the word "illegal" this way?

When someone commits an illegal act, the adjective "illegal" can be used to describe the act, but not the person. Otherwise, every single one of us is illegal.

Invaders is much better.

[Stratovarious]

What will it take to get people to stop using the word "illegal" this way?

When someone commits an illegal act, the adjective "illegal" can be used to describe the act, but not the person. Otherwise, every single one of us is illegal.

Yes, we are all 'illegal' cause we know what it means and don't care,
and I'm 'deplorable' , but I'm not an illegal alien.

[Cleaner44]

What will it take to get people to stop using the word "illegal" this way?

When someone commits an illegal act, the adjective "illegal" can be used to describe the act, but not the person. Otherwise, every single one of us is illegal.

Would you prefer the term:
Immigrant formerly known as illegal?

[Swordsmyth]

Yale study finds illegal migrant numbers twice the accepted norm of 11 million

63% of Non-Citizen Households Access Welfare Programs Compared to 35% of native households

[dannno]

Organizer of new caravan to U.S. arrested for rape

An organizer of the latest migrant caravan was arrested on rape charges in Honduras.


Juan Carlos Molina, the subject of an arrest warrant since August 2015, was on his way to the United States to seek asylum after raping his minor cousin, Diario La Tribuna reported, according to the Gateway Pundit.


The paper said Molina, 26, is accused of sneaking into the bedroom of his cousin, 12, at night while the girl’s mother was away at work.


The minor child became pregnant and gave birth to a son, the paper said. A DNA test of the infant Molina’s.


Molina skipped court dates and ultimately became a fugitive. He would have made it to the U.S. if he had not been arrested, the Gateway Pundit noted.


The new caravan of an estimated 800 migrants left San Pedro Sula, Honduras, on Monday.


Breitbart News reported Miguel Perez, the sub-director of the Honduran Border Police, said that at the time of his arrest, Molina had fake IDs.


The new caravan, Breitbart noted, comes as the Mexican border city of Tijuana continues to deal with thousands of members of the first caravan who are still waiting to enter the U.S. to request asylum.


Tijuana officials say they lack support from the Mexican federal government to provide food shelters and other basic needs for members of the first caravan.

https://www.wnd.com/2019/01/organize...sted-for-rape/

[fcreature]

Is this a joke?

[Zippyjuan]

Trump says border security is tight.

[Swordsmyth]

Trump says border security is tight.

Relatively.

How is it that liberals understand the concept of relativity when they want to (moral/cultural relativism etc.) but they "can't" understand it when conservatives use it legitimately?

[Zippyjuan]

Relatively.

How is it that liberals understand the concept of relativity when they want to (moral/cultural relativism etc.) but they "can't" understand it when conservatives use it legitimately?

The border will never be 100% secure. That is impossible. Even a wall 100 miles high and 100 miles underground and armed officers standing shoulder to shoulder will not prevent people from entering the US. The question is what is "good enough" and how much are you willing to spend?

[Superfluous Man]

Would you prefer the term:
Immigrant formerly known as illegal?

Undocumented (or unlawful, which is not the same as illegal) resident is better.

The term illegal immigrant, if both of those words are used isn't as bad. It's when it's just shortened to "illegal," of if it's said the way it was in the post I replied to, something like, "they are illegal," that just makes no sense at all.

It's a rhetorical trick immigration restrictionists use to treat that particular, very minor, violation of a statute, as some special category that makes the people who violate it something different than all the rest of us who violate all the other statutes that we do every day.

I think it also goes with the myth that they tend to hold which says that these people are breaking the law just by being here, as if their very presence is one continuous criminal act that they perpetually commit until they're not here any more. This is false. That would be like telling someone who once ran a stop sign that they are perpetually breaking the law for as long as they are on the other side of the stop sign, and saying that they are therefore "illegals." That's simply not what the law says.

This is the same mindset you see on display when they say that any failure of the government to deport them means they aren't enforcing the law.

[Swordsmyth]

The border will never be 100% secure. That is impossible. Even a wall 100 miles high and 100 miles underground and armed officers standing shoulder to shoulder will not prevent people from entering the US. The question is what is "good enough" and how much are you willing to spend?

The status quo is clearly not enough.

[Swordsmyth]

Undocumented (or unlawful, which is not the same as illegal) resident is better.

The term illegal immigrant, if both of those words are used isn't as bad. It's when it's just shortened to "illegal," of if it's said the way it was in the post I replied to, something like, "they are illegal," that just makes no sense at all.

It's a rhetorical trick immigration restrictionists use to treat that particular, very minor, violation of a statute, as some special category that makes the people who violate it something different than all the rest of us who violate all the other statutes that we do every day.

I think it also goes with the myth that they tend to hold which says that these people are breaking the law just by being here, as if their very presence is one continuous criminal act that they perpetually commit until they're not here any more. This is false. That would be like telling someone who once ran a stop sign that they are perpetually breaking the law for as long as they are on the other side of the stop sign, and saying that they are therefore "illegals." That's simply not what the law says.

Invaders.

[Stratovarious]

What will it take to get people to stop using the word "illegal" this way?

When someone commits an illegal act, the adjective "illegal" can be used to describe the act, but not the person. Otherwise, every single one of us is illegal.

You do understand there are words used to describe different groups of people right?
Do 'red necks' have to have red necks?
I think I speak for most of us when I say; we will start using the word Illegal as an
adjective and no longer a noun when there are no more 'illegals' .

[Superfluous Man]

I think I speak for most of us when I say; we will start using the word Illegal as an
adjective and no longer a noun when there are no more 'illegals' .

But unless everyone who has ever done anything illegal is included in your term "illegals," you're just twisting the English language into meaninglessness.

[Stratovarious]

But unless everyone who has ever done anything illegal is included in your term "illegals," you're just twisting the English language into meaninglessness.

Wut' did I just say genus' ?

[Superfluous Man]

Wut' did I just say genus' ?

The problem with the way you use English, is that nobody knows. I'm not certain that you yourself do.

[Swordsmyth]

But unless everyone who has ever done anything illegal is included in your term "illegals," you're just twisting the English language into meaninglessness.

Many non-"Rednecks" have had sunburns on their necks but if you insist on this idiocy I have a word we can use instead:


Invaders.

[Anti Globalist]

Throwing up a picture of a mother and child? Seen it one too many times. You'd think they'd try something new.

[Zippyjuan]

Throwing up a picture of a mother and child? Seen it one too many times. You'd think they'd try something new.

[Swordsmyth]

Which has nothing to do with anything in this thread.

[Zippyjuan]

How bad is the border problem? Is there a unprecedented surge going on? (lowest numbers since the early 1970's) Send the government man all your money and he will take care of things for you. Promise. Otherwise, you might die.