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    Is Stevia the Best Treatment for Lyme Disease? Researchers Say Yes

    Researchers found that the liquid form of whole-leaf stevia extract was effective Stevia is most commonly known as some people’s favorite coffee sweetener, but researchers at the University of New Haven say that it can also be the best treatment for Lyme disease.

    In the study, which was originally published in 2015 in the European Journal of Microbiology and Immunology, researchers found that the sugar substitute was effective in fighting the bacteria that cause the tick-borne disease, Borrelia burgdorferi — even more so than antibiotics including doxycycline, cefoperazone, and daptomycin.

    Dr. Eva Sapi, chairwoman of the Department of Biology and Environmental Science and director of Lyme disease research at the University of New Haven, began studying the disease after being diagnosed and has since been “on a mission” to find out more about a treatment that works, Fox 61 reported.

    The therapy will soon be tested in clinical trials among patients of Dr. Richard Horowitz at Hyde Park, New York, while Sapi’s team at the University of New Haven will continue to test the method on Zebrafish.
    https://www.thedailymeal.com/news/he...say-yes/071417
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    Every time I see articles about stevia, I feel like I have to remind people that it comes from chrysanthemums. People with severe allergies to chrysanthemums should consult their allergists before using products stevia, or products containing stevia.

    If I had Lyme disease, my allergist and I would be having that conversation, for sure.
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    Also, this has been very promising.

    Teasel Root (Dipsacus Sylvestris) And Lyme Disease
    http://www.tiredoflyme.com/teasel-root.html


    Teasel Root And Lyme Disease

    Teasel Root is used for healing from Lyme Disease and for good reason. Borrelia, the Lyme bacteria, is a spirochete bacteria which means its body is spiral shaped and designed to drill into tissue such as joints, organs, and even bone. While buried within the tissue of our bodies, the spirochetes are cleverly concealed and out of reach from antibiotics and the immune system much like in a biofilm or cyst form. Teasel Root is used for its ability to pull the bacteria from tissue, and into the blood stream, exposing it to antibiotics and the immune system.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    Every time I see articles about stevia, I feel like I have to remind people that it comes from chrysanthemums. People with severe allergies to chrysanthemums should consult their allergists before using products stevia, or products containing stevia.

    If I had Lyme disease, my allergist and I would be having that conversation, for sure.
    Stevia you see in stores is also a highly processed chemical. And since it has a bitter taste, it is usually combined with other sweeteners- those could be other artificial sweeteners or sugar. The study did NOT use the kind you can go to the store and buy.

    http://www.nhregister.com/health/201...sease-bacteria

    Could a common sweetener that’s already in the kitchen cupboards in many American homes — stevia — prove to be an effective treatment for a disease as nasty and persistent as Lyme disease?

    Maybe even as good as or better than antibiotics?

    It’s too early to say that for sure.
    But liquid, whole-leaf stevia extract — not the powdered varieties that people most commonly use — reduced the biofilm mass by about 40 percent, they found.

    Sapi said Horowitz’s trial involves combining stevia with antibiotics.
    Other sugars worked too:

    The research that includes stevia started when Sapi — a former Yale ovarian cancer researcher who has worked for years to find a better treatment for Lyme disease since she had a bout with it, herself — came across research “that if you that if you add sugar to various antibiotics, it could help.

    “So we went to Shop Rite and bought sugar,” including “all the fake sugars,” Sapi said.

    In fact, they bought “every kind of sugar that you can think of.”
    But “we found several agents which worked as well.”
    Works in a dish in a lab does not necessarily mean it works inside the human body. It may require direct contact with the fresh sugars which does not happen when you consume sugars which are broken down before they enter the bloodstream.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 07-17-2017 at 12:13 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Stevia you see in stores is also a highly processed chemical. And since it has a bitter taste, it is usually combined with other sweeteners- those could be other artificial sweeteners or sugar. The study did NOT use the kind you can go to the store and buy.
    Wow, wrong as usual.

    You can buy pure stevia extract in stores, in liquid or powdered form. It tastes bitter, so do artificial sweeteners.. except stevia has health benefits and artificial sweeteners are bad for you.

    The powdered kind has some minimal processing, but there is even less processing in the liquid form. I would actually recommend the liquid form because there is less processing and it is easier to measure out and mix into things like tea or coffee. Powdered form may be better for some baked items.

    As far as mixing stevia with sugar or other sweeteners, that is actually a good thing. That means using less sugar or less alcohol sugar or whatever sweetener you are using, and more healthful stevia. There are very few non-caloric sweeteners that taste good on their own, and actually besides sugar even using honey or other alternative sweeteners sometimes is not great going full strength. So stevia helps boost other sweeteners without having to use as much.

    Or you can get a plant, dry out the leaves, crush them and make your own without any further processing.

    http://www.livestrong.com/article/54052-stevia-processed/


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    https://www.steviashantanu.com/stevi...n-technology-1

    The industrial process of extraction of steviol glycoside is often the least understood aspect in entire value addition chain of Stevia. All the information available in the public domain about the extraction process is either too technical for general audience or infested with overhyped marketing jargon. Let me try to explain the process in detail in simple and straightforward language.

    The extraction of steviol glycosides from Stevia leaves and its purification involves several steps. The major steps are (1) Primary extraction with water or solvent, (2) Purification of the liquid extract, (3) Separation of solid glycosides from purified liquid extract, (4) Solvent recovery and (5) Further purification of the solid glycosides. Now let me explain the processes one by one -
    Primary Extraction:

    In the extraction process the first step involves extraction of dried leaves with a liquid extractant. The most common extractants are water, primary and secondary alcohols. Sometimes, uncommon solvents like dioxane is also used. Steviol glycosides are soluble in polar solvents and virtually insoluble in non-polar solvents. Often, this property is used for separation of fats and waxes from steviol glycoside extracts. Dried leaves are often pre-treated with organic non-polar solvents like chloroform, ethylene chloride or hexane to remove fats and waxes from the leaves. Then, glycosides are extracted from the defatted leaves.

    The actual engineering set up for the extraction process also differs greatly among extraction facilities. Most of the traditional Chinese units use an open trough fitted with an agitator for extraction. In this system, leaves are dumped in a long open trough; warm water is fed to the trough to submerge the leaves. Then the leaves are agitated in the water. After a certain time, the extract is drained from the trough and the extracted leaves are discharged from the trough by opening trap door at the bottom of the troughs.

    The absorbed extractant from the leaves are squeezed out either by basket centrifuges or screw press. The extracted and spent leaves then go for solid waste disposal. The separated extractant is pooled with that drained from the trough.
    Purification

    The primary extract is then clarified either by flocculation or electro-coagulation. For purification by flocculation, the extract is treated with flocculants like Calcium hydroxide, Aluminum hydroxide, Alum, Calcium carbonate, Ferric chloride etc. This flocculants precipitates the gummy and resinous polysaccharides, proteins and plant pigments.

    In the electrocoagulation method, aluminum electrodes are dipped in the extract and they are connected with low voltage high current power source. The flow of electric current through the extract coagulates the gums, resins and pigments and makes the extract clear.
    After this stage, the extract is freed from the coagulated material by filtration. Generally, common plate and frame filters are used in this stage.

    The next step is separation of solid glycosides from liquid extract. Clarified liquid extract from this stage can be processed by to entirely divergent technologies.

    Stevia Ion Exchange:

    The clarified liquid extract is then passed through a column filled with weekly polar macro-porous synthetic resin granules. The resin absorbs steviol glycosides from the extract and the glycosides are stored within the resin. The spent extract, devoid of steviol glycosides comes out from the resin columns.

    Then the adsorbed steviol glycoside is washed out from the resin column with alcohol – generally ethanol. Pure alcohol is fed to the column and alcohol with steviol glycoside dissolved into it comes out. Along with steviol glycoside, the alcohol is also carries plant pigments, and salts as impurities.

    The alcoholic extract is then treated with activated carbon to remove most of the plant pigments. Then it is filtered to remove suspended activated carbon particles.
    The activated carbon treated alcoholic extract is passed first through columns filled with strong cation exchange resin and then through another column filled with weak anion exchange resins. The resin columns remove salts and plant pigments from the alcoholic extract. After this process, the alcoholic extract becomes a highly purified solution of steviol glycosides.

    Then the purified alcoholic extract is concentrated by separation of solvent by nanofiltration. The alcoholic extract is filtered through a membrane under high pressure. The pores of the filter membrane is so small, it can filter stevioside molecules from the alcohol. Thus, most of the alcohol is removed from the extract in this stage to make the extract highly concentrated. The separated alcohol is sent to a distillation tower to remove water from it and make it suitable to be used again in the process. In this process, most of the alcohol is recovered.

    The concentrated alcoholic extract is then sent to a rising film evaporation tower. Here, more alcohol is removed from the extract by boiling the extract under partial vacuum. The evaporated alcohol is condensed and recycled. After this stage the extract become highly concentrated and becomes a syrupy liquid. To remove the last traces of impurity, the syrupy liquid is again treated with activated carbon and filtered. Then the purified syrupy liquid is sent to a spray drier. In the spray dryer, the syrupy liquid is sprayed as a fine mist against a stream of hot air. The hot air instantly dries the spray droplets and fine dust of glycosides form. This powdery material is separated from the hot air stream in a cyclone separator. This powder is about 90% pure Total Steviol Glycoside (TSG). This solid glycoside product is then sent to further purification through recrystallization.
    Solvent Extraction:

    In this method, the clarified water extract is mixed with a water immiscible organic solvent and agitated vigorously. The solvent has higher affinity towards steviol glycosides than water and it absorbs the glycosides from the water extract.

    After the mixing, the solvent-water extract mixture is allowed to stand for some time. On standing the solvent and water layer separates. The water layer, which is now devoid of any steviol glycosides, is sent to effluent treatment plant. The solvent layer is then treated with activated carbon to decolorize it and filtered to separate suspended activated carbon particles.

    Then the decolorized solvent is concentrated by evaporation under vacuum and solvent is recovered for recycling. Steviol glycosides start crystallizing out from the solvent after it gets concentrated to a certain level.
    The crystals are separated from the mother liquor by a basket centrifuge. The mother liquor is sent back to the process and the crystallized glycosides are sent for further purification through recrystallization. We have made several improvement of this process to make it more efficient. For solvent extraction we have successfully developed a continuous process based on Kuhni type extractor. For quick and efficient seperation of solvent phase, special disc stack centrifuge is also successfully employed.
    Purification:

    The next and final step of steviol glycoside purification process is the seperation and purification of Reb A.

    The solid glycoside mix (TSG) is dissolved in a specific hot water alcohol mixture under refluxing condition and then cooled to crystallize Reb A crystalls. The dissolution and crustallization is done in the same jacketted vessel provided with a motorized stirrer. During the dissolution process the mixture is heated by passing steam through the jacket of the vessel. Then, for crystallization, the solution is cooled by passing cold water through the jacket.

    The crystallized Reb A can be seperated from the mother liquor by basket centrifuge and dried in vacuum tray dryers.
    The mother liquor is then sent for concentration by nano filtration followed by vacuum evaporation, decolorization by active carbon treatment. Lower grades of TSG is prepared by spray drying of this concentrated mother liquor.
    From Danno's link:

    Most commercial processes consist of water extraction, decoloration, and purification using ion-exchange resins, electrolytic techniques, or precipitating agents," according to SteviaPowder.com.

    Some powdered forms of stevia extract can contain maltodextrin, a food additive derived from cornstarch that may contain MSG. Although processing is involved, and a white powder is produced, many of the health properties of the stevia plant survive, making it a healthy alternative to sugar or sugar substitutes like Aspartame and Nutrasweet.
    Maltodextrin is usually produced from GMO corn too.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 07-18-2017 at 06:13 PM.

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    Just addressing the chrysanthemum thing. Recently my chiro gave me a supplement. A couple of days later I had some symptoms. Looked at the label (which is what I should have done to begin with). Saw stevia. Put myself in allergy jail.
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    Top 10 Health Benefits of Stevia

    Stevia
    Botanical Name: Stevia rebaudiana

    Family: Asteraceae

    Other Common Names: Sweetleaf, candy leaf, sugar leaf

    Parts Used: Leaves

    Actions: Anticancer, antidiabetic, antihypertensive, antimicrobial, diuretic, hepatoprotective

    Taste: Sweet, bitter (aftertaste)

    Plant Uses: While stevia is typically used as a sweetener, it also has antimicrobial and liver-protecting properties. As a consequence of replacing sugar with stevia, people may also experience the many benefits of decreasing their sugar intake.

    Plant Preparations: The leaf can be used fresh or dried. Powder liquid extracts are also popular. Powders are more popular in baking, while liquids are more popular in drinks.

    Toxicities/Warnings: No major concerns. Theoretical possibility of allergic reaction for people with ragweed allergy (not documented).



    Introduction
    The stevia plant has been used by the native peoples of Brazil and Paraguay as a food and medicine for over 1,000 years. The sweetest and most favored species is Stevia rebaudiana, named after Petrus Jacobus Stevus, a Spanish botanist, and Ovidio Rebaudi, a chemist from Paraguay.

    The sweetness of the stevia plant comes from various steviosides that can be around 300 times sweeter than sugar, but which do not add calories or affect blood glucose levels. Naturally, this makes the plant very useful as a sweet alternative to sugar. And while many countries around the world have approved stevia as a food, the United States has lagged behind. The FDA initially banned all forms of stevia in foods, while approving various artificial sweeteners like aspartame and Sucralose. However, they have gradually begun to allow various forms of stevia as supplements and as sweeteners.

    Currently, stevia can be purchased as a leaf powder, as a powdered extract, or as a liquid extract. The leaf powder is simply the dried and powdered plant. It is the least processed form and therefore the most natural. In the US, this form is not considered a food, for legal purposes. However, it can still be purchased as a supplement. In this pure form, stevia can have a somewhat bitter aftertaste.

    The liquid and powdered extracts typically lack the bitter aftertaste. However, they are more processed. If purchasing stevia extracts, be sure to check the ingredient labels for other ingredients. Stevia is often altered or blended with other sweeteners, such as erythritol. And some so-called stevia sweeteners may have little actual stevia in them. Alternately, you can grow your own stevia and use it as you see fit. Details are presented later in the article.

    Benefits
    Guilt-free Sweetener: Stevia is a healthy, natural sweetener. It allows you to get the sweet tastes you crave without the calories of sugar or the health concerns associated with artificial sweeteners.
    Anticancer: Stevia has demonstrated anticancer properties, both in discouraging its formation and in helping the body to terminate these cells.1)
    Blood Sugar Management: Stevia consumption has been shown to help diabetics control blood glucose and insulin levels.2)
    Weight Loss: By replacing sugar, stevia helps to support a healthy weight.3)
    Improve Cholesterol Levels: Consuming stevia regularly has been shown to have positive effects on cholesterol, lowering triglycerides and LDL cholesterol, while raising HDL levels.4)
    Liver Protection: Stevia has antioxidant and immunomodulatory properties that help protect the liver from damaging chemicals.5)6)
    Antimicrobial: Stevia has antibacterial properties and shows promise as a future treatment for Lyme disease.7)8)9)
    Regulate Blood Pressure: Consuming stevia helps to relax the blood vessels and remove excess sodium from the body, lowering high blood pressure.10)
    Healthy Skin: Use stevia topically for eczema and irritated skin.11)
    Oral Health: Stevia helps to discourage the growth of bacteria in the mouth.12)

    Medicinal Properties
    While stevia is primarily used as a natural alternative to sugar, it also has a number of health benefits. Many of these are likely to stem from the fact that as one increases intake of stevia, one also decreases the intake of processed sugars. However, stevia has medicinal properties all its own.

    Stevia has been linked to a reduction in breast cancer and an increase in cancer cell death. It has the ability to inhibit certain metabolic processes that are associated with cancer growth.13)14) As a related benefit, a decrease in sugar consumption is associated with a lower rate of cancer, in general.15)

    Stevia helps people achieve a healthy weight by reducing the total amount of sugar consumed.16) It also shows positive effects on cholesterol profiles, decreasing triglycerides and LDL, while raising HDL cholesterol.17) Studies have also that stevia helps to reduce blood sugar levels and balance insulin.18)19)20) Stevia also shows liver protecting properties.21)22)

    Both short-term and long-term studies have shown that stevia helps to lower high blood pressure. It does this by relaxing blood vessels. It also increases urination, helping the body to expel excess sodium.23)24)

    Stevia also has some interesting antibacterial properties. Stevia can be applied topically to help with some forms of skin irritation and eczema, especially where these are related to bacterial infection.25) Consuming it orally can help to reduce the numbers of cavity forming bacteria in the mouth.26) This may be due partly to stevia’s antibacterial properties and partly to a reduced amount of residual sugar sticking to the teeth. Fortunately, stevia’s antimicrobial properties do not appear to significantly effect the balance of probiotic bacteria living in the digestive tract.27)

    Another exciting property of stevia is that it is more effective at killing Lyme disease bacteria than current antibiotics.28) A study found that stevia extract (specifically rebaudioside A) killed Lyme disease bacteria completely after 7 days, whereas standard antibiotics appeared to kill the disease only to have it come back in a more resistant form. The study found that liquid extract was more effective than powdered extract. Raw plant material was not tested.

    While this is exciting news, there are some limitations yet to be evaluated and overcome. The study was conducted in a test tube, rather than in the human body. When ingested, our gut microbes convert rebaudioside A into steviol. Steviol might have similar antibacterial properties to rebaudioside A, but this has yet to be established. And while some rebaudioside A and steviol are absorbed into our bodies, the quantities are not great. It is not clear how much stevia one would have to consume to effectively combat Lyme disease in the human body, if this is even possible.29)30) Hopefully, future research will expand our knowledge on this topic.

    Nutritional Properties
    People typically consume stevia for its sweetness, rather than for its nutritional content. Nevertheless, stevia is a good source of several micronutrients, such as chromium, manganese, magnesium, phosphorus, and selenium. It’s also high in potassium and vitamin A. Keep in mind that this applies to the plant, not necessarily to a liquid or powdered extract. Commercial stevia extracts isolate and concentrate the sweet-tasting rebaudioside A, and leave most of the other components behind.

    Preparation and Usage
    The FDA lists the ADI (acceptable daily intake) of steviosides as 5 milligrams per kilogram of body weight. The ADI for rebaudiosides is given as 4 milligrams per kilogram body weight. Natural products will vary in their quantity of steviosides and rebaudiosides, but an FDA-approved stevia extract will be standardized so that you could consume 12 milligrams of the extract for every kilogram of your body weight.

    Weight-to-Stevia Consumption31)
    100 pounds = 3-1/2 teaspoons powdered extract or 14 drops liquid extract
    150 pounds = 5-1/2 teaspoons powdered extract or 22 drops liquid extract
    200 pounds = 7-1/2 teaspoons powdered extract or 30 drops liquid extract
    250 pounds = 9 teaspoons powdered extract or 36 drops liquid extract
    For reference, a standard sweetener packet is around 1 teaspoon.

    Sweetener
    Stevia is most commonly used as a sweetener. The “dosing” would therefore depend on how sweet you like your food and drink. Powdered extracts are most commonly used in baking applications, while liquid extracts are most commonly used in liquids. If using the raw powdered leaf in a drink, you may want to put it in a teabag and allow it to steep for several minutes.

    Sugar-to-Stevia Conversion32)
    1 teaspoon of sugar = 1/8 teaspoon powdered stevia or 5 drops of liquid extract
    1 tablespoon of sugar = 1/3 teaspoon powdered stevia or 15 drops of liquid extract
    1 cup of sugar = 2 tablespoons of powdered stevia or 2 teaspoons of liquid extract

    Poultice
    While stevia is most commonly used as a sweetener, its antimicrobial properties can also be used topically to aid in treating skin infections.33) Crush fresh leaves, or add a small amount of water to powder to make a paste. Apply this to a wound and hold it in place with a bandage or wrap.

    DIY Powder
    It should come as no surprise that making your own stevia powder is a fairly direct process. Simply pick and dry the leaves of the plant. Then place them in a coffee grinder or blender and pulse them into powder. You could also use a mortar and pestle if you want to feel like an old-time apothecary.

    DIY Extract
    You can make your own super-sweet stevia extract with surprising ease. It’s quite similar to how you would make a tincture, but with a couple of important differences. Take a handful of stevia leaves and chop them roughly. Place these in a mason jar and pour vodka over them until they are covered.

    Shake the jar up and place it in a dark place for 48 hours. If you were making a medicinal tincture, you would let the plant material soak for a much longer time. However, the sweet-tasting rebaudiosides seems to diffuse into the alcohol faster than the more bitter steviosides. This means that a longer duration will result in a bitter product.

    Next, strain out the leaves. After this, you have two choices. You can leave the alcohol content as it is and safely store the extract for several years. Or you can reduce the alcohol content by placing it in a pot and heating it on low for around 20 minutes. This evaporates most of the alcohol, resulting in a better-tasting product. Do not bring the liquid to a boil. Excess heat reduces the sweetness. The finished extract can be stored in the refrigerator for a few months.

    Remember that this extract is not standardized and the sweetness may not match the conversion tables above.

    Precautions and Contraindications
    Few substances could claim to generate such consistently positive results in safety studies as stevia.34) It is not carcinogenic or mutagenic; it doesn’t alter the balance of your gut microbes; and its potential side-effects are few and rare. Further, these side effects can often be the result of additives or other sweeteners, such as erythritol, being added to a stevia-based product.

    Intakes significantly higher than the FDA’s acceptable daily intake do not appear to have any negative effect on fertility, birth rates, or the health of the baby.35) However, due to its diuretic nature, stevia might be contraindicated when taking diuretic medications. It is also theoretically possible that those with ragweed allergies could have a reaction to stevia, though this has not been reported.

    The ADI (acceptable daily intake) numbers determined by the FDA are created using a safety factor of 100. This means that stevia was tested at 100 times the ADI level without yielding problematic results.36) To reach this level, a 200 pound man would have to consume 750 teaspoons of powdered stevia extract. That’s the sweetness equivalent of around 125 cups of sugar in a single day.

    Plant ID
    Stevia is not a showy plant, and can be easily passed by if you’re not looking for it. It grows to around 2-3 feet (0.5-1 meter) and has weak stems. The leaves are opposite and oblong with a prominent midrib, and are about an inch long. The flowers are small, white, tubular, and have no distinct fragrance.

    With around 240 species in the stevia genus, Stevia rebaudiana has several related look-alikes. Many are edible, but you may want to buy one from a plant nursery or talk to a local expert to ensure that you have the correct species.
    https://thegrownetwork.com/stevia-2/
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner



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    Stevia Kills Lyme Disease Pathogen Better Than Antibiotics (Preclinical Study)
    https://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/st...clinical-study
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Doing it in a petri dish is a long ways from seeing if it could work in humans. For one, the human digestive system will beak down the stevia. They mixed it with alcohol and directly applied it to cultures of the bacteria. If it works in a human, you need intact stevia to make it throughout the body to where the bacteria are.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 07-28-2019 at 03:42 PM.

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    ...
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  14. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    ...
    Yes, you have posted links to the study three times now. In vitro means in a lab- not in a body. That would be "in vivo". In vitro does not always work in vivo. It is not a proven treatment for humans.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 07-28-2019 at 06:07 PM.



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